Bethesda (MLS Next) vs Achilles FC (MLS Next) vs Baltimore Armour vs Alexandria (MLS Next) vs SYC (MLS Next) experience

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:stated by prior posters, not looking for money and time drains for no playtime like achilles and baltimore armour u17 and u19.

i hear firsthand from a parent at bethesda mls next that coach plays all of their rostered players equally which seems fair but it is very hard to break into their team because many of the players have been with the club since they were very young.

You get play time if you are good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:stated by prior posters, not looking for money and time drains for no playtime like achilles and baltimore armour u17 and u19.

i hear firsthand from a parent at bethesda mls next that coach plays all of their rostered players equally which seems fair but it is very hard to break into their team because many of the players have been with the club since they were very young.

You get play time if you are good.

that would be the equitable approach but does not happen in reality. if you are not good one should not be on the team at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:stated by prior posters, not looking for money and time drains for no playtime like achilles and baltimore armour u17 and u19.

i hear firsthand from a parent at bethesda mls next that coach plays all of their rostered players equally which seems fair but it is very hard to break into their team because many of the players have been with the club since they were very young.

You get play time if you are good.

cant tell if srs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:VA Revolution is the top MLS program in the area.

Maybe on the entire east coast right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:stated by prior posters, not looking for money and time drains for no playtime like achilles and baltimore armour u17 and u19.

i hear firsthand from a parent at bethesda mls next that coach plays all of their rostered players equally which seems fair but it is very hard to break into their team because many of the players have been with the club since they were very young.

For what age? Would love to know. We have really been happy at bethesda despite the terrible rep.
All clubs are the same.

[Anonymous]

It’s simple

Alexandria - A decent club but will eventually lose the MLS Next badge. They have good coaches in the older age groups. My current son plays for the U16 MLS Next and we are happy where we are.

SYC - A must win club and zero philosophy. Whenever we play them they tend to bring 5-6 coaches for help. I get it they need to win otherwise the revenue stops. If you like to win and have 8 players on the bench then this is the club for you. Most of there players come from recruiting and making promises.

Achilles - another club I can see losing the MLS Next badge. They have players from DCU that end up not making the cut but even that’s not enough to help the club. Of all MLS Next teams we play against they by far have the nicest families. Who knows which players they actually developed or recruited.

BA- Very tactical whenever we play. They seem to be the most well taught in our age group. We would consider moving to the club if they weren’t so far.

NVA- They don’t have any players currently since they were still in ECNL I imagine the younger groups are good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s simple

Alexandria - A decent club but will eventually lose the MLS Next badge. They have good coaches in the older age groups. My current son plays for the U16 MLS Next and we are happy where we are.

SYC - A must win club and zero philosophy. Whenever we play them they tend to bring 5-6 coaches for help. I get it they need to win otherwise the revenue stops. If you like to win and have 8 players on the bench then this is the club for you. Most of there players come from recruiting and making promises.

Achilles - another club I can see losing the MLS Next badge. They have players from DCU that end up not making the cut but even that’s not enough to help the club. Of all MLS Next teams we play against they by far have the nicest families. Who knows which players they actually developed or recruited.

BA- Very tactical whenever we play. They seem to be the most well taught in our age group. We would consider moving to the club if they weren’t so far.

NVA- They don’t have any players currently since they were still in ECNL I imagine the younger groups are good.

You current son? Do they rotate? Like Menudo?

But seriously curious as to why you would think Alexandria would lose MLS Next? Most of the age groups are solidly mid table. U16s are toward the bottom, but not at the bottom, and with some close losses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VA Revolution is the top MLS program in the area.

based on what? VA Revolution is MLS Next AD. How you figured you're top when you're not even in HD. Get up to HD and then tell us if your program is top.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s simple

Alexandria - A decent club but will eventually lose the MLS Next badge. They have good coaches in the older age groups. My current son plays for the U16 MLS Next and we are happy where we are.

SYC - A must win club and zero philosophy. Whenever we play them they tend to bring 5-6 coaches for help. I get it they need to win otherwise the revenue stops. If you like to win and have 8 players on the bench then this is the club for you. Most of there players come from recruiting and making promises.

Achilles - another club I can see losing the MLS Next badge. They have players from DCU that end up not making the cut but even that’s not enough to help the club. Of all MLS Next teams we play against they by far have the nicest families. Who knows which players they actually developed or recruited.

BA- Very tactical whenever we play. They seem to be the most well taught in our age group. We would consider moving to the club if they weren’t so far.

NVA- They don’t have any players currently since they were still in ECNL I imagine the younger groups are good.

Ironically, Achilles just announced one of their kids will be moving to the Galatasaray academy, 2nd player in the last year to make it to Europe. Makai Wells trained under them before he left to avoid DCU and he has had USYNT call-ups and plays for NE Revs II. They are the most misunderstood club because they focus development vs wins and parents don't like the coaches temperament and their competitive environment. A-type attorneys and government officials just cannot wrap their heads around not being at top of the table. I would argue that if every club adopted their model and philosophy, we would compete with Philly and NJ for Mid-Atlantic supremacy. The goal is to get a kid into the academy. No reflection on the club if they don't stick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:stated by prior posters, not looking for money and time drains for no playtime like achilles and baltimore armour u17 and u19.

i hear firsthand from a parent at bethesda mls next that coach plays all of their rostered players equally which seems fair but it is very hard to break into their team because many of the players have been with the club since they were very young.

You get play time if you are good.

that would be the equitable approach but does not happen in reality. if you are not good one should not be on the team at all.

I agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s simple

Alexandria - A decent club but will eventually lose the MLS Next badge. They have good coaches in the older age groups. My current son plays for the U16 MLS Next and we are happy where we are.

SYC - A must win club and zero philosophy. Whenever we play them they tend to bring 5-6 coaches for help. I get it they need to win otherwise the revenue stops. If you like to win and have 8 players on the bench then this is the club for you. Most of there players come from recruiting and making promises.

Achilles - another club I can see losing the MLS Next badge. They have players from DCU that end up not making the cut but even that’s not enough to help the club. Of all MLS Next teams we play against they by far have the nicest families. Who knows which players they actually developed or recruited.

BA- Very tactical whenever we play. They seem to be the most well taught in our age group. We would consider moving to the club if they weren’t so far.

NVA- They don’t have any players currently since they were still in ECNL I imagine the younger groups are good.

Ironically, Achilles just announced one of their kids will be moving to the Galatasaray academy, 2nd player in the last year to make it to Europe. Makai Wells trained under them before he left to avoid DCU and he has had USYNT call-ups and plays for NE Revs II. They are the most misunderstood club because they focus development vs wins and parents don't like the coaches temperament and their competitive environment. A-type attorneys and government officials just cannot wrap their heads around not being at top of the table. I would argue that if every club adopted their model and philosophy, we would compete with Philly and NJ for Mid-Atlantic supremacy. The goal is to get a kid into the academy. No reflection on the club if they don't stick.

You are spot on. Let the results speak for themselves. Enjoy the “wins” now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s simple

Alexandria - A decent club but will eventually lose the MLS Next badge. They have good coaches in the older age groups. My current son plays for the U16 MLS Next and we are happy where we are.

SYC - A must win club and zero philosophy. Whenever we play them they tend to bring 5-6 coaches for help. I get it they need to win otherwise the revenue stops. If you like to win and have 8 players on the bench then this is the club for you. Most of there players come from recruiting and making promises.

Achilles - another club I can see losing the MLS Next badge. They have players from DCU that end up not making the cut but even that’s not enough to help the club. Of all MLS Next teams we play against they by far have the nicest families. Who knows which players they actually developed or recruited.

BA- Very tactical whenever we play. They seem to be the most well taught in our age group. We would consider moving to the club if they weren’t so far.

NVA- They don’t have any players currently since they were still in ECNL I imagine the younger groups are good.

Of those clubs, how many have sent kids over to play in Europe recently. I’ll wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s simple

Alexandria - A decent club but will eventually lose the MLS Next badge. They have good coaches in the older age groups. My current son plays for the U16 MLS Next and we are happy where we are.

SYC - A must win club and zero philosophy. Whenever we play them they tend to bring 5-6 coaches for help. I get it they need to win otherwise the revenue stops. If you like to win and have 8 players on the bench then this is the club for you. Most of there players come from recruiting and making promises.

Achilles - another club I can see losing the MLS Next badge. They have players from DCU that end up not making the cut but even that’s not enough to help the club. Of all MLS Next teams we play against they by far have the nicest families. Who knows which players they actually developed or recruited.

BA- Very tactical whenever we play. They seem to be the most well taught in our age group. We would consider moving to the club if they weren’t so far.

NVA- They don’t have any players currently since they were still in ECNL I imagine the younger groups are good.

Of those clubs, how many have sent kids over to play in Europe recently. I’ll wait.

What is the criteria you are using to guess which clubs will lose MLS Next? Solely wins/losses?

[Anonymous]

I think the one club (Achilles) who is sending kids to European clubs is the last one in the group that will lose MLSNext.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just posted this in the SYC v ASA thread, before I saw this one. Hope it's helpful.

My son is in ASA's MLS Next program and it's been an overwhelmingly positive experience. He loves his coaches and his teammates. The organization has been very good overall. There are administrative hiccups, but fewer than other clubs we've been a part of. Field space is consistent and good. The teams rarely have a full field to themselves, but in NoVa that's to be expected. The value is outstanding, I think. The fee for the the year is $3,100 and includes 4X week training, 3-4 tournaments, and I think we've had 6 friendlies between August and now. For the lengthy trips to northern NJ the club provides a charter bus and the kids love the experience of travelling together. This weekend, for instance, the boys will be bussing up to NJ on Saturday for games, stay in a hotel overnight, play Sunday, and come home on the bus. The club and team managers are working hard to make it work. (hotel is a little extra per kid). As noted, futsal is not included in the price.
I love that the club has an organizational philosophy toward training and match play. Other comments claiming that creative players are stifled are a little overblown in my opinion. Coaches definitely discourage unnecessary and aimless dribbling, and stress making decisions before receiving the ball. Dribbling with purpose, to beat or draw a defender, is welcome. I like that playing through the middle, control, and decision making are stressed.
That said, I'd like to see them lean into it even more, and implement their system with more tempo at practice. I'd like to see them ramp up the intensity and up the speed of play in training.
I'm also of the opinion that they need to treat the MLS Next curriculum differently than the rest of the club. It should be treated as an elite level program. And, it should include individual skill work. Right now, that is completely absent. The boys train 4X a week and often have two games per weekend. They do not have time to work on things on their own. ASA would do well to recognize that players, especially top-level players, and their parents, consider player development an important part of their decision making when choosing a club. The club would argue that they use a tactical over technical model and stress decision-making. I think with a two or three day schedule, that makes a lot of sense. But the boys still need to develop and become confident with skills they can use to help execute those decisions in the matches and give them more options when making decisions.
The club has discussed incorporating one futsal practice per week into the curriculum, which I think would be valuable, but I haven't seen it yet.

Parents of (truly) elite players and the players themselves aren't waiting around on the club to provide them with individually tailored skills training development.
They know to get that on their own by any means necessary

Futsal isn't an amazing magic pill, especially if you're not proficient in futsal skills. Many are on futsal courts using big field skills and think they're doing something special.

While that is true, and a major reason why so many MLSNext/ECNL kids go to private trainers and small group sessions, it is hard to hone the use of those individual skills without a team that allows you to use those skills. Whether it be at more intense practices or allowing them to use those skills under pressure in games.

There aren’t many teams that will allow or make their players continue their possession game consistently because the players are going to make mistakes which will cost them wins. And winning is obviously important for clubs and parents.

ASA players pass the ball too quickly when under pressure. SYC and Armour players will boot the ball. Bethesda and Achilles do possession well but Achilles doesn’t win very much. We’ve played Coppermine one year and I thought those kids were very skilled and while they had possession most of the game, they still lost to DS team back then which relied on booting the ball to their very fast striker .

facts or opinion?

But they churn out professionals academy players it seems.