Renovation + Addition - Cost Expectation?

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Anonymous wrote:Resurrecting the old thread here as I am searching for the costs of similar work.. So discouraging and depressing..

I cannot understand why it costs 100K to renovate ONE kitchen when entire tiny homes can be built for this price with kitchen and baths and roofs and floors and all that. Even inexpensive tile and fixtures now are nice looking. Renovations and additions costing 700k+ just blow my mind. You can buy an entire house for this price. In many places a new home would cost this or less. At some point it makes more sense to build a brand new home when your cost of remodel/addition approaches 1 mil

Anyone decided to just get into more debt and build a new home for better resale value or are people still doing these crazy expensive renovations/additions with a risk that they won't recoup their money back (especially in areas with lots of new construction where any older home is likely to be worth only the land it sits on)

Congratulations on discovering Levittown I guess? If you really don’t understand why it’s as expensive to renovate an old home as it is to build new ones, you’re just not trying to understand.

Why are people remodeling if they can build new homes? The whole point of remodeling is to save money because new homes should cost tons more and remodeling was always considered a more economical solution.

Nope. You’re flat wrong.

People remodel because:
1) The land is more valuable/desirable than vacant land
2) The cost of remodeling the house works out to less than tearing it down and building a one off
3) There are restrictions on tearing down and replacing the house

You’ll notice that in a lot of the DC suburbs, 2 and 3 aren’t true so houses get torn down and you get infill new construction.

Anywhere that none of those are true, the old houses just rot as new houses are being built elsewhere.

What you said has never been true.

So the pp is flat wrong but also correct according to you

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Anonymous wrote:Remodel 2/3 of a 6000 sq foot house (complete kitchen reno, 3 bathrooms, refinished floors, changed one huge structural feature), it cost us 750k. The house has appreciated more than 1.5 million since we bought it 8 years ago, so we felt it was justified. We got high end appliances and finishes for the most part, but I saved where I could - bought discontinued quartz at a huge discount for laundry and pantry, bought remnants for bathroom counters, resisted designer’s recs for things like waterfall counters, continuing countertop up as backsplash, custom plaster for bathrooms, replacing hardwood floor rather than refinishing, using real wood instead of laminate in bathrooms, pantry and laundry, having custom doors rather than premade slabs etc.

There is so much creep in remodeling that you have to be aware of. Adding a door somewhere? Well, now what do you do with all the other doors that have outdated hardware and need to be painted/replaced? I guess you have to get new hardware and paint/replace, otherwise it will look weird. Changing the paint color? Now the old shades clash, so you have to replace or just live with it. We ended up replacing so much baseboard because our old one was custom, and incredibly it would have cost about the same to have 200 feet of this ugly custom baseboard made as replacing all the baseboard. The 750k does not include the cost of moving and living in a rental for 6 mo, so add on 24k for that.

PP’s who have given reasons why people remodel rather than move are correct. Land is expensive and scarce. We wouldn’t be able to buy anything similar nearby. And if we did, it would be old and dated or remodeled in a style we didn’t like. For OP who is adding square footage, that’s a great way to get more out of your house and change the property value.

Some people make real estate decisions on what their hearts want and they don’t consider the property value. Even if you plan on living somewhere forever, it’s still an asset and likely the biggest chunk of your net worth, so you have to be careful about it.

This is great. Thanks for sharing. Are you local to the DMV and did you like your architect/builder?

Not local to dmv! We also did a remodel in manhattan which was eye wateringly expensive for less square footage, but I don’t think there’s a way around that unless you can handle being a gc yourself.

Good luck! It’s a lot of work and money, but it will be worth it. Even if you have a designer, it’s often worth taking the time to get into the weeds about choosing what you want. It surprised me that as knowledgeable as the designers, contractors, and subs were, they often didn’t know things that I found out about after 20 min of research online. For example, I dove deep into the geology of countertops and would have been unhappy with my initial choice. I also read about lumens and how many I wanted for different overhead fixtures, linear vs central drains, whether a fizzy tap was going to be worth it, etc etc.

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OP: Thank you! Yes, this will be our second reno (the first was much smaller) and we definitely appreciate getting our hands dirty and getting in the weeds to add value and understand the nuances of the choices. (We similarly dug really deep into countertops and ended up with an unexpected choice)

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Resurrecting this thread to see if anyone has new numbers on a renovation/addition in DC.

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If you are still seeking a local architect check out https://fotiuarchitects.com/ Reasonable responsive and extremely competent for DC/MD/VA homes.

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Currently renovating two small bathrooms in my 2500 sq foot 1970s built Alexandria colonial and adding in 350 sq foot four season room with mini split and then a 350 sq foot trex deck with posts and it’s about 135000 for total project but we’ve added about 5k more just in materials for shower doors, lights, exhaust fans, mirrors and upgraded vanities above allowance.

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Anonymous wrote:We are starting to think about renovating our 1930s colonial. We think we'd also add some square footage but have no idea how much this might cost. Any data points from folks on the board?

We are in UNW, are hoping to work with an architect (we understand this is about 30 minus management), and think we will keep the existing structure but heavily remodel the 2500 or so sq ft and add another 1500- 2000 (this includes adding finishes to an existing walk up attic). Is this something that can be done under 500k?

Any data points in the last couple years would be super useful. (And contractor/architect recommendations).

Most towns and cities have zoning rules about square footage. Before you work with an architect make sure you know the amount of square footage you can add.

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Anonymous wrote:I just completed a renovation with an architect and GC. Reno'd existing ~1100 sf main floor plus whole basement including underpinning (lowering basement floor) and added a 200sf addition. 1 completely new kitchen and 1 completely new bath. Total all in was around $700k including architect's fees; $600k or so of that was the contractor. Prices are higher per sf in smaller projects, but I offer that as an anecdata point.

Why not just move?

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Agree you should just move

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Add 25% to any cost you hear from someone who completed their project 2018-2022. Inflation has gone wild in construction.

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Dang some people spending big $$$

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Now in this economy with supply chain issues no

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Don’t do it. I have a 1920’s sears home — I got 8 different bids for a gut renovation, basement underpinning, and 800sqft addition. Nothing came in less than $1.1 million. Prices have become absolute insanity.