Mounting research shows that COVID-19 leaves its mark on the brain, including with significant drops in IQ scores

[Anonymous]

I’ve had Covid 3 times now (fully vaxxed, I’m a teacher) and I did lose smell for a month the first time but since then no other side effects. I still feel like the genius I have always been (haha).

I wonder how much of the drop in IQ is actually related to our incessant screen use…

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Anonymous wrote:What do you suggest? I’d rather be slightly dumber than a hermit with no friends

If you are lucky, you will be slightly dumber. If you are unlucky, you will be welcomed into the world of autoimmune illnesses, and then you will lose friends because they don't want to accommodate your illness. Ask me how I know.

You know that not getting COVID doesn't mean you won't get autoimmune illnesses or lose your friends right? But one way to lose social connections in your life is to severely limit in person interactions with people outside your household. Social isolation is associated with a whole host of negative outcomes.

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Anonymous wrote:What would you suggest people who become enlightened by this article do? COVID is in the community. 99% of the time you go out to crowded places, you won't get it, but then you get unlucky and do. Should people avoid any indoor spaces outside their home, and when they can't, cover their mouths and noses with tight-fitting masks indefinitely for that 1% of times to avoid a 3 pt loss in IQ that is of indeterminate persistence in the long term and indeterminate clinical significance? What about people with young children who can't mask properly but are at a critical stage in their social development? What about people who are hard of hearing and rely on seeing people's faces to understand what they say?

They've now found that using a CPAP device with degraded foam can cause cancer. Can you imagine what they'll find twenty years from now in people who wore synthetic and treated masks all day for several years?

In your view, do masks explain the findings of covid in the brain in autopsies of recovered people?

I'm going to say this as gently as I possibly can. NOBODY CARES unless you are a scientist who is interested in this. People do not care about things that don't affect them and these studies don't show an impact that is clinically significant.

Well, this study shows what I have personally experienced, as has my brother, my SIL, my mother, my MIL. I'm glad that you and your family have not. Regardless of your views of masking, etc.

In my life the following people have had COVID, most twice, and none currently have any cognitive issues:
- me
- my DH
- our 4 yo
- my FIL
- my MIL
- my two BILs
- my brother
- my SIL and
- my mother

My dad has not had COVID (very cautious, has definitely been testing for it) and is actually having some cognitive issues likely due to aging and family history of Alzheimer's and dementia.

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Anonymous wrote:What would you suggest people who become enlightened by this article do? COVID is in the community. 99% of the time you go out to crowded places, you won't get it, but then you get unlucky and do. Should people avoid any indoor spaces outside their home, and when they can't, cover their mouths and noses with tight-fitting masks indefinitely for that 1% of times to avoid a 3 pt loss in IQ that is of indeterminate persistence in the long term and indeterminate clinical significance? What about people with young children who can't mask properly but are at a critical stage in their social development? What about people who are hard of hearing and rely on seeing people's faces to understand what they say?

They've now found that using a CPAP device with degraded foam can cause cancer. Can you imagine what they'll find twenty years from now in people who wore synthetic and treated masks all day for several years?

In your view, do masks explain the findings of covid in the brain in autopsies of recovered people?

I'm going to say this as gently as I possibly can. NOBODY CARES unless you are a scientist who is interested in this. People do not care about things that don't affect them and these studies don't show an impact that is clinically significant.

Well, this study shows what I have personally experienced, as has my brother, my SIL, my mother, my MIL. I'm glad that you and your family have not. Regardless of your views of masking, etc.

Amazing coincidence isn't it, that all your family got dumber except you, right?

Slow clap 👏

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Anonymous wrote:What do you suggest? I’d rather be slightly dumber than a hermit with no friends

EXACTLY
+10000

I wanted to say something like this but PP - you said it better than I could have

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Anonymous wrote:What would you suggest people who become enlightened by this article do? COVID is in the community. 99% of the time you go out to crowded places, you won't get it, but then you get unlucky and do. Should people avoid any indoor spaces outside their home, and when they can't, cover their mouths and noses with tight-fitting masks indefinitely for that 1% of times to avoid a 3 pt loss in IQ that is of indeterminate persistence in the long term and indeterminate clinical significance? What about people with young children who can't mask properly but are at a critical stage in their social development? What about people who are hard of hearing and rely on seeing people's faces to understand what they say?

Why hasn't anyone answered this?!

[Anonymous]

I don’t get understand the article.
I’ve had Covid twice.
Can someone summarize it for me in a meme or a puppet show format?

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Anonymous wrote:What would you suggest people who become enlightened by this article do? COVID is in the community. 99% of the time you go out to crowded places, you won't get it, but then you get unlucky and do. Should people avoid any indoor spaces outside their home, and when they can't, cover their mouths and noses with tight-fitting masks indefinitely for that 1% of times to avoid a 3 pt loss in IQ that is of indeterminate persistence in the long term and indeterminate clinical significance? What about people with young children who can't mask properly but are at a critical stage in their social development? What about people who are hard of hearing and rely on seeing people's faces to understand what they say?

Why hasn't anyone answered this?!

Why don't we start with being frank about things that do pose problems, even if we don't have answers yet? You can't address negatives if you don't acknowledge them as negatives.

[Anonymous]

^^PS: Note that post is not asking you to wear masks, cower in your basement, vote for anyone in particular, shun family gatherings, or anything else. Just to acknowledge it for what it is without either minimizing it or over-inflating it (or accusing others of doing so).

That's not a great finding. It's not a world-ending finding, but it's not good that this endemic virus is probably having these kind of effects. Can we start there?

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Anonymous wrote:This is highly concerning since lately the theme is "covid is only a cold," here is the proof that it can leave long term damage to the body including brain function. It is worth the read.



https://theconversation.com/mounting-research-shows-that-covid-19-leaves-its-mark-on-the-brain-including-with-significant-drops-in-iq-scores-224216

The Conversation is not worth reading, much less reposting. https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/ogji5c/thoughts_on_theconversationcom/

lol wait what? You're refuting an article about health studies, actual studies with a reddit post?

I can't.

Clearly then You don’t understand the incredibly low bar for publishing news

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Anonymous wrote:This is highly concerning since lately the theme is "covid is only a cold," here is the proof that it can leave long term damage to the body including brain function. It is worth the read.



https://theconversation.com/mounting-research-shows-that-covid-19-leaves-its-mark-on-the-brain-including-with-significant-drops-in-iq-scores-224216

The Conversation is not worth reading, much less reposting. https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/ogji5c/thoughts_on_theconversationcom/

lol wait what? You're refuting an article about health studies, actual studies with a reddit post?

I can't.

Clearly then You don’t understand the incredibly low bar for publishing news

Yes, low bar.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2024/02/29/long-covid-memory-cognitive-decline-brain-fog/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/28/health/long-covid-cognitive-effects.html#:~:text=Long%20Covid%20may%20lead%20to%20measurable%20cognitive%20decline%2C%20especially%20in,the%20equivalent%20of%206%20I.Q.

Etc. (There are a lot of articles covering the study.)

And the study itself: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2311330?query=featured_home

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Anonymous wrote:What would you suggest people who become enlightened by this article do? COVID is in the community. 99% of the time you go out to crowded places, you won't get it, but then you get unlucky and do. Should people avoid any indoor spaces outside their home, and when they can't, cover their mouths and noses with tight-fitting masks indefinitely for that 1% of times to avoid a 3 pt loss in IQ that is of indeterminate persistence in the long term and indeterminate clinical significance? What about people with young children who can't mask properly but are at a critical stage in their social development? What about people who are hard of hearing and rely on seeing people's faces to understand what they say?

They've now found that using a CPAP device with degraded foam can cause cancer. Can you imagine what they'll find twenty years from now in people who wore synthetic and treated masks all day for several years?

In your view, do masks explain the findings of covid in the brain in autopsies of recovered people?

I'm going to say this as gently as I possibly can. NOBODY CARES unless you are a scientist who is interested in this. People do not care about things that don't affect them and these studies don't show an impact that is clinically significant.

Well, this study shows what I have personally experienced, as has my brother, my SIL, my mother, my MIL. I'm glad that you and your family have not. Regardless of your views of masking, etc.

Sounds about right, as people age. You're all getting older too, coincidence?

[Anonymous]

I’m sure not interacting with the outside world for years on end would also lower your IQ. Pick your poison.

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Anonymous wrote:What would you suggest people who become enlightened by this article do? COVID is in the community. 99% of the time you go out to crowded places, you won't get it, but then you get unlucky and do. Should people avoid any indoor spaces outside their home, and when they can't, cover their mouths and noses with tight-fitting masks indefinitely for that 1% of times to avoid a 3 pt loss in IQ that is of indeterminate persistence in the long term and indeterminate clinical significance? What about people with young children who can't mask properly but are at a critical stage in their social development? What about people who are hard of hearing and rely on seeing people's faces to understand what they say?

Why hasn't anyone answered this?!

Everyone already knows the answers. There is little people can do on a long term basis to avoid COVID. Families should prioritize their children's development, especially at young ages when it is so important, and doing that is not consistent with social isolation or, frankly, masking (GTH, AAP). I think the CDC was the last to figure it out.

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Anonymous wrote:What would you suggest people who become enlightened by this article do? COVID is in the community. 99% of the time you go out to crowded places, you won't get it, but then you get unlucky and do. Should people avoid any indoor spaces outside their home, and when they can't, cover their mouths and noses with tight-fitting masks indefinitely for that 1% of times to avoid a 3 pt loss in IQ that is of indeterminate persistence in the long term and indeterminate clinical significance? What about people with young children who can't mask properly but are at a critical stage in their social development? What about people who are hard of hearing and rely on seeing people's faces to understand what they say?

Why hasn't anyone answered this?!

Why don't we start with being frank about things that do pose problems, even if we don't have answers yet? You can't address negatives if you don't acknowledge them as negatives.

You are deluded if you think that COVID hasn't been acknowleged as a problem. Wow.

If you are referring to long COVID, then I absolutely support tax dollars for research on therapies for post viral conditions.