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You have no logic at all. If someone steals a from a store add the convenience store calls the police, the law can be enforced. If someone steals from a store and it’s ignored/not reported, the the law has been violated but nothing is enforced because it isn’t brought to the attention of those who handle the consequences. Same with kids in school. If a kid has drugs at school and is reported, the code of conduct is applied. If a kid has drugs at school but nobody says anything and admin isn’t made aware, nothing happens. Has nothing to do with protected class or whatever excuses you make for her. |
You are wrong as a matter of law. Email signatures are not hidden and known by administration. It is not as though they were not aware. PLUS, if this was complaint driven (a complaint about a policy violation as opposed to a complaint about the content) the offer to take it down would have sufficed and/or they needed to take the same disciplinary steps regarding anyone else who had a personalized email signature. |
The fact of a policy violation does not make it legal for MCPS to take ANY action they want. There is a process they are required to follow, and it wasn't followed. From the complaint: "In fact, the county’s approach is also in violation of its own regulations related to suspension and termination of professional personnel. Section GJ(III) of MCPS Policies and Regulations outlines the detailed procedures responsible administrators must take in order to suspend or terminate personnel. Notably, these procedures include developing “an anecdotal record of all observations, conferences, or incidents.” Yet, besides the mention of the email tagline to the principal, no involved party was given any detailed information about the full scope of the reason for Ms. El-Haggan’s leave. To this day, Ms. El-Haggan remains on administrative leave with no information on what is to come next." |
racist sexist and antisemitic. ok! |
The ignorance here is yours. You don't understand how EEO laws work or the difference between enforcement of laws and company policies. IT IS A VIOLATE OF CIVIL EEO LAWS to selectively enforce corporate policies such that the intent OR EFFECT is the disproportionate injury to a specific protected class. There is no comparison to whether a convenience store calls the police due to theft UNLESS the theft is by employees. So, yes, it WOULD be an EEO violation for a convenience store to only act on or report (or even disproportionately act on or report )theft by, say, people of a particular national origin. You have ZERO clue how this works. Go home. |
Calm t f down. First of all, we don’t have the full story of what she did. Second, PP is correct. Just because there may be someone out there who did the same thing doesn’t mean this is is targeted. Third, her email signature was uniquely divisive and political. The very reason it got reported is because it was more disruptive and inappropriate than an email signature that said “have a blessed day” or whatever. At the end of the day she chose not only to violate MCPS policy, but to bring a highly politically charged statement into her official communications as a government employee. She 100% deserves discipline. |
Not PP, but a couple things here... 1. "uniquely divisive and political" is not the stated reason for the discipline and shouldn't affect the outcome. Moreover it is incredibly subjective. The complaint contains "Black Lives Matter" examples. They seem very comparable- some may view that as an unobjectionable statement of fact, and others may view it as an explicit endorsement of a political movement. 2. Sure, we don't know all the facts and she needs to prove she was treated differently than similarly situated peers ("targeted"). But the allegations in the complaint certainly indicate that, as does your assessment here. You say there is no proof it was targeted, but then go on to explain exactly why you believe it WAS targeted (and therefore justified.) 3. Your assessment neglects the fact that there are legally binding rules around disicplinary procedures for MCPS employees, that were not followed in this case. |
All you’re doing is assuming the facts are as stated in the EEOC complaint, lol. Not even worth responding to. And also there are at least two bases for discipline here: violating the email policy AND engaging in distruptive political speech in her capacity as a government employee on the job. It’s the disruptiveness of the statement (indeed more than “BLM”) that makes more severe discipline appropriate. It’s clear you and this teacher are part of that naive (at best) group of progressives who believes that there are established good guys and bad guys, and as long as you’re “defending the oppressed” you’re justified. Well it doesn’t actually work that way. |
| Look there’s no place for politics in a taxpayer funded institution. If a signature said ‘free Northern Ireland” or “keep Taiwan independent” or “check out my Etsy shop at…”it would not be allowed either. Political arguments interfere with the mission of any agency. It doesn’t matter how you or anyone feels about this cause. Free speech does not extend into the workplace. Working for mcps or any government entity is a taxpayer funded salary that must be respected and not co-opted for personal agendas or gain. Every email she sent was paid for by a taxpayer. She can’t include personal agendas in that capacity. |
Saying Black Lives Matter (which, of course they do) or having pronouns in a signature is a much different scenario than calling for violence, which is what “from the river to the sea” is indeed advocating. They are not comparable. Simply inappropriate and I agree with MCPS actions here. Had a Jewish teacher put a statement like “Israel should only be for Jews,” that would be the comparable statement. |
Well, if assuming the facts in the complaint are true is not worth responding to, so is assuming that they are NOT true. Please don't make assumptions about me. I take no position whatsoever on the substance of the slogan. I'm interested in the legal issue. |
Perhaps electing and showing support through polls and martyr payments for terrorists has dampened people's sympathy, even for civilians. The children, yes, but unfortunately, they are sleeping in a bed made by their parents. |
+1 |
Anyone who actually knows the history of “from the River to the sea” and isn’t influenced by hysterical claims to the contrary (none from the actual people using the phrase), understand that it is a plea for freedom for the Palestinian people. (No, as as many times as you say it, it is not about genocide of the Jewish people - that’s what the Israeli army is attempting in Gaza). And as it is a plea for freedom from oppression, it is on the face of it directly comparable to “Black lives matter” as a slogan. |
In that case, you surely agree that all who added signatures like this you outline should be suspended? That’s the point of the complaint. This teacher has been singled out with severe disciplinary action, even when she agreed not to do it again. |