The latest estimate in the CIP for the ongoing Justice HS expansion is about $26M. Double that for two schools and build in some additional cost for inflation and it’s still well under the $80M now allocated for a brand-new (and unnecessary) school at Dunn Loring. |
Marshall is full. The answer is to move some McLean kids to Langley. But great falls won’t allow it because they are worried about the other side of Langley getting rezoned to Herndon (and no board member has had the spine to stand up to great falls). And, odd though it sounds, the very small number of McLean kids that Elaine tholen moved to Langley raised such a stink about it! They were not in favor. I wish the board would have gone bigger and done the right change then instead of a tiny one that didn’t even offset the increase in kids to McLean from their TJ admissions changes. |
Here's why I don't think kids will move from McLean to Marshall or Langley: Marshall: Marshall was renovated and expanded in 2014. However, it was only expanded to 2150 permanent seats and, within a few years, they needed a modular, which is still on site. In addition, longer-term projections suggest that Marshall could pick up more additional kids from future growth than any other HS in FCPS (McLean is next). Kilmer MS, the main middle school feeder to Marshall, also has a modular. It doesn't make sense to redistrict kids to schools that already have modulars. Langley: Langley was renovated and expanded in 2018. It got a bigger expansion than Marshall (to 2370 seats), but it has been inching closer to full capacity ever since, due to the 2021 Langley/McLean boundary change and the trend towards remote working making Langley neighborhoods further out more attractive. In addition, FCPS decided some time back to align the MS/HS boundaries in the area, so that all Cooper kids go to Langley and all Longfellow kids go to McLean. Cooper is also being renovated now, but it's only being expanded to 1120 seats. As a result, any effort to move more kids from Longfellow/McLean to Cooper/Langley will overcrowd Cooper before it overcrowds Langley. Finally, Great Falls already fought in 2021 to limit the number of kids moved from McLean to Langley; one can only imagine that, with Herndon HS now renovated and expanded, they'd fight just as hard against moving more McLean kids to Langley. Instead, what seems more likely is the following: Falls Church: Falls Church is currently getting expanded to 2500 seats, and its main middle school feeder (Jackson) has some spare capacity. So when the Falls Church renovation is finished, if FCPS hasn't done anything else to address the overcrowding at McLean, such as building or at least announcing plans to build an addition to McLean, it would make obvious sense to move the Timber Lane ES island at McLean to Falls Church. Timber Lane is already a split feeder to McLean and Falls Church, and the island is closer to Falls Church than to McLean (though closer to Longfellow than to Jackson). Some might object because Timber Lane accounts for much of the diversity at McLean, but moving the island wouldn't have much impact on the FARMS rate at Falls Church and they often claim that eliminating islands is a good thing. While there is some growth taking place within Falls Church's current boundaries, such as the new townhouse community near Graham Road/Route 50, it's only a fraction of the growth that Marshall and McLean may see from development closer to Tysons. Eventual Addition: Because McLean serves almost half of Tysons, as well as other areas slated for growth (the area in the county closest to the West Falls Church Metro and downtown McLean), the school needs more permanent seats. However, given the politics of the School Board, the school will need to wait for a new renovation queue to get published before it gets an addition and/or renovation. When the next queue comes out, McLean and Annandale will be the most obvious candidates for upgrades (Chantilly is overcrowded now as well, but it is newer than Annandale and McLean, has more permanent seats, and may see kids redistricted to Centreville in the coming years). |
People typically don't like being redistricted. If you listened to the testimony at the time, there were quite a few families who asked to be moved. Typically, they had younger kids who wanted to stay with their elementary school peers at Colvin Run or Spring Hill or thought it would be good for their real estate values. In comparison, families with older kids, including kids already at Longfellow or McLean, tended to oppose getting redistricted. |
Granted I will always have reading to do and much to learn, but I think I’m beginning to understand the concept of unearned white privilege a little bit. But can you explain what unearned Asian privilege is? |
I think you are spot on with the rezoning for Falls Church HS, but it is a short-term bandaid that won’t make a dent in the long-term challenge that is Tyson’s growth. Not factored into any of the existing Tyson’s student projections, which estimate up to 600 new students each of McLean and Marshall (which will presently necessitate redistricting with Langley) for approved developments, are conversions of existing Class B commercial space to high-density residential, and updates to existing Tyson’s development plans replacing some of the planned commercial mixed use with residential mixed use. These telework-induced changes are likely to add hundreds more students. With Tyson’s projected to become a city with over 100,000 residents within 25 years, with most residential development occurring within 1/4 mile of a metro station, I don’t see why it makes sense to bus high school kids out of the city, along increasingly congested roads, to schools in the suburbs (currently McLean and Marshall, and Langley in the future). As far as I know, other cities don’t bus high school kids out to the suburbs, and certainly not when public transportation is readily available. Recognizing how long it takes to stand up a new high school, the County should be looking now at identifying a metro-accessible site for a dedicated Tyson’s high school, so high school kids and parents can travel to and from the school efficiently, without creating unnecessary traffic through suburbs. Yes, metro-accessible real estate is expensive, but, with currently depressed values for Class B commercial real estate, now would seem like a good opportunity to buy property for a future metro-accessible HS, recognizing that it will probably take another 5 years or more to stand up the school. |
This is not a bad idea. Why couldn't you get a developer to contribute to the development costs in Tysons for a HS? Given the numbers, you could even do an ES, MS and HS in some fashion, sort of what FCCPS did with Mary Ellen and Meridian. |
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FCPS likes to build/renovate for a 50-year span. McLean HS was built in 1955 and renovated in 2005. The place was a dump in the '80s, yet they waited until 2005 to renovate. Longfellow was built in 1960 and renovated around 2010. Langley was built in 1965 and renovated in 2018. Cooper was built in 1962 and is currently under renovation.
McLean is LOW on the priority list for renovation. Overcrowding at Longfellow and McLean is becoming a bigger issue as more housing gets added in the Tyson's area. We need to build more schools but it's not likely to happen. |
Developers pay proffer money to FCPS that is intended to compensate FCPS for the additional students that new developments are expected to yield. However, FCPS has a track record of frequently not using proffer funds to benefit the schools and communities directly impacted. |
Totally agree with this. That’s why the screw Great Falls argument is really misguided to me. It is a push for this monumental change negatively impacting thousands of kids (Not even just the “rich” ones) in the name of this theoretical equity. It’s the same argument for Boston busing in the 70s. The advocate on this board who argues for broad redistricting to soak the western Great Falls “rich” is very fringe, even for Fairfax County, and I say that as a staunch democrat. The Board understands that too. |
| Timberlane McLean zone would raise hell if they got put into fall church high a very low performing school |
McLean’s 2005 “renovation” was not a renovation as defined now. They added a new entrance and made a few other minor changes. It was nothing like Marshall. Langley, Madison… |
McLean’s renovation in 2005 was more elaborate than this, but certainly not as extensive as the renovations of Langley and Marshall a decade later. Madison’s renovation in the early 2000s was no more elaborate than McLean’s; however, FCPS recently built an addition to Madison. On paper, it certainly looked like McLean needed an addition more than Madison, but perhaps if Marshall gets a lot more kids from Tysons they will end up reassigning the Marshall neighborhoods in western Vienna to Madison. There was a fair amount of advocacy from McLean parents @ 2019 for a redistricting and addition. That resulted in a limited boundary change with Langley in 2021 and a 12-classroom modular rather than a permanent addition. People really aren’t expecting FCPS to do anything major for the school any time soon (the possible future boundary change with Falls Church is a bit of a wild card), but they still love the school. |
NP. What absolute BS. As for your assertion that McLean kids "raised a stink" about being moved to Langley, it's beyond clear who is preventing more McLean kids from moving to Langley: McLean parents!! Of course more McLean students should be moved to Langley, while they still have a little room left. That room, however, isn't going to last long with the new developments being built on Georgetown Pike and Towlston/Rt. 7. But if McLean parents continue to balk about sending their kids to Langley, then they get what they deserve - a grossly overcrowded school. |
+1 And they could even repurpose some of the vacant commercial buildings. DP |