being short negative for leadership positions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DH is between 5'6" and 5'7" and he's SES and very well regarded. His lower-than-average height never held him back. But he's well above average in just about every other department: smart, great social skills, funny/charming, attractive, great at his job, athletic, likeable, etc.

Well yeah, tons of short men in gov. It’s hiring and promotion process is much more regimented so harder to apply bias like that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:LOL

Why is discrimination based on physical appearance funny to you?

Do you understand the concept of median? Half the entire population in the country is below the median height. You think it is funny to discriminate against that many people?

I can laugh at someone inventing a problem just for the sake of outrage.

This literally shows that it is a problem. When height discrimination is brought up it is simply laughed off.

This is even though objective studies have shown the discrimination exists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DH is between 5'6" and 5'7" and he's SES and very well regarded. His lower-than-average height never held him back. But he's well above average in just about every other department: smart, great social skills, funny/charming, attractive, great at his job, athletic, likeable, etc.

Because your personal anecdote negates actual researched studies showing a clear bias exists.

Imagine if all studies cherry picked data points.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not an issue in biotech/pharma. We also have lots of women and people of color/different ethnicities, both in the employee base and in the C suite.

Heightism is far more subtle and ingrained than combating racism and gender discrimination. How often is height discrimination even discussed at any company compared to racism or gender discrimination? Heightism transcends race.

How many shorter CEOs run biotech/pharma companies? I wouldn't be surprised if most of the guys running them are over 6' tall.

Marc Casper can’t be over 5’7”. Here he is next to Deval Patrick, who’s 5’9”.


But yes, height-based discrimination is one of the few kinds of appearance-based discrimination that affects men too. And, like all other forms of appearance-based discrimination, those who suffer are just going to have to work harder in order to be recognized.

5'9" is above average

Deval Patrick is not a biotech exec, he’s a former governor of MA. Marc Casper is the exec. And he’s definitely a few inches shorter than Patrick. Also, very rich.

OP, wear lifts. Problem solved. Oh, you don’t think it’s fair that you should have to fake it, inconvenience yourself or be uncomfortable in order to conform to social standards of attractiveness? Womankind is crying for ya.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not an issue in biotech/pharma. We also have lots of women and people of color/different ethnicities, both in the employee base and in the C suite.

Actually height discrimination works the other way for women. Short women have an edge over tall women.

🙄 no they dont

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not an issue in biotech/pharma. We also have lots of women and people of color/different ethnicities, both in the employee base and in the C suite.

Heightism is far more subtle and ingrained than combating racism and gender discrimination. How often is height discrimination even discussed at any company compared to racism or gender discrimination? Heightism transcends race.

How many shorter CEOs run biotech/pharma companies? I wouldn't be surprised if most of the guys running them are over 6' tall.

Marc Casper can’t be over 5’7”. Here he is next to Deval Patrick, who’s 5’9”.


But yes, height-based discrimination is one of the few kinds of appearance-based discrimination that affects men too. And, like all other forms of appearance-based discrimination, those who suffer are just going to have to work harder in order to be recognized.

5'9" is above average

Deval Patrick is not a biotech exec, he’s a former governor of MA. Marc Casper is the exec. And he’s definitely a few inches shorter than Patrick. Also, very rich.

OP, wear lifts. Problem solved. Oh, you don’t think it’s fair that you should have to fake it, inconvenience yourself or be uncomfortable in order to conform to social standards of attractiveness? Womankind is crying for ya.

His parents listed his marriage in the NYT, so he likely comes from a fairly well to do family. money is the best thing to stand on when short.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not an issue in biotech/pharma. We also have lots of women and people of color/different ethnicities, both in the employee base and in the C suite.

Heightism is far more subtle and ingrained than combating racism and gender discrimination. How often is height discrimination even discussed at any company compared to racism or gender discrimination? Heightism transcends race.

How many shorter CEOs run biotech/pharma companies? I wouldn't be surprised if most of the guys running them are over 6' tall.

Marc Casper can’t be over 5’7”. Here he is next to Deval Patrick, who’s 5’9”.


But yes, height-based discrimination is one of the few kinds of appearance-based discrimination that affects men too. And, like all other forms of appearance-based discrimination, those who suffer are just going to have to work harder in order to be recognized.

5'9" is above average

Deval Patrick is not a biotech exec, he’s a former governor of MA. Marc Casper is the exec. And he’s definitely a few inches shorter than Patrick. Also, very rich.

OP, wear lifts. Problem solved. Oh, you don’t think it’s fair that you should have to fake it, inconvenience yourself or be uncomfortable in order to conform to social standards of attractiveness? Womankind is crying for ya.

His parents listed his marriage in the NYT, so he likely comes from a fairly well to do family. money is the best thing to stand on when short.

Marc and his bride had NYT worthy credentials before they got married. Both had Harvard graduate degrees.
Their parents don't seem to be famous.

https://www.nytimes.com/1994/08/21/style/weddings-denise-jefferson-marc-n-casper.html

[Anonymous]

Im 5 foot flat. If I believed this narratibe then Ill never go anywhere

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not an issue in biotech/pharma. We also have lots of women and people of color/different ethnicities, both in the employee base and in the C suite.

Heightism is far more subtle and ingrained than combating racism and gender discrimination. How often is height discrimination even discussed at any company compared to racism or gender discrimination? Heightism transcends race.

How many shorter CEOs run biotech/pharma companies? I wouldn't be surprised if most of the guys running them are over 6' tall.

Marc Casper can’t be over 5’7”. Here he is next to Deval Patrick, who’s 5’9”.


But yes, height-based discrimination is one of the few kinds of appearance-based discrimination that affects men too. And, like all other forms of appearance-based discrimination, those who suffer are just going to have to work harder in order to be recognized.

5'9" is above average

Deval Patrick is not a biotech exec, he’s a former governor of MA. Marc Casper is the exec. And he’s definitely a few inches shorter than Patrick. Also, very rich.

OP, wear lifts. Problem solved. Oh, you don’t think it’s fair that you should have to fake it, inconvenience yourself or be uncomfortable in order to conform to social standards of attractiveness? Womankind is crying for ya.

His parents listed his marriage in the NYT, so he likely comes from a fairly well to do family. money is the best thing to stand on when short.

Marc and his bride had NYT worthy credentials before they got married. Both had Harvard graduate degrees.
Their parents don't seem to be famous.

https://www.nytimes.com/1994/08/21/style/weddings-denise-jefferson-marc-n-casper.html

Okay? Many well to do people aren’t famous?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you are a highly qualified candidate with good credentials and performance reviews, and you happen to be short in stature, do you feel like it has ever hindered you career progression?

Discrmnination due to height is very prevalent and well accepted. There are very, very few people that are short in stature in front facing leadership positions in the corporate world or in the political arena. But how has it affected you personally in real life? We are all told about having positive body acceptance, so why is discrimination based on height so well accepted across all races? Weight is something people can at least control while height is out of someone's control. Many studies have shown that people psychologically associate height with power, more competence, and leadership abilities even though it is based purely on subconscious perceptions alone.

Are hiring committees even aware of such biases based on physical appearance when evaluating candidates?

I think what has impacted me more than my height is being a woman...followed by being Hispanic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not an issue in biotech/pharma. We also have lots of women and people of color/different ethnicities, both in the employee base and in the C suite.

Heightism is far more subtle and ingrained than combating racism and gender discrimination. How often is height discrimination even discussed at any company compared to racism or gender discrimination? Heightism transcends race.

How many shorter CEOs run biotech/pharma companies? I wouldn't be surprised if most of the guys running them are over 6' tall.

Marc Casper can’t be over 5’7”. Here he is next to Deval Patrick, who’s 5’9”.


But yes, height-based discrimination is one of the few kinds of appearance-based discrimination that affects men too. And, like all other forms of appearance-based discrimination, those who suffer are just going to have to work harder in order to be recognized.

5'9" is above average

Deval Patrick is not a biotech exec, he’s a former governor of MA. Marc Casper is the exec. And he’s definitely a few inches shorter than Patrick. Also, very rich.

OP, wear lifts. Problem solved. Oh, you don’t think it’s fair that you should have to fake it, inconvenience yourself or be uncomfortable in order to conform to social standards of attractiveness? Womankind is crying for ya.

His parents listed his marriage in the NYT, so he likely comes from a fairly well to do family. money is the best thing to stand on when short.

Ha! So true. Money is the best thing to stand on for any perceived discrimination.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Better a short man than a fat woman.

No it isn't. Did you read any of the linked studies at all? You can control weight. You can't do anything about height.

There are very large pay discrepancies due to height (for both men and women) while doing the same job. Most Americans are overweight, so being fat really has little bearing on job salary and promotions these days. If it is an issue, at least you can take something like mojurno to deal with it. How are you going to 'fix' someone's height though?

I was going to agreed with the PP you were responding to because I personally would rather be a short man than a fat woman, but you have a great point here. When I look around my company (one of the largest in the world) most of our senior leaders carry a few pounds - men and women. Most of them are taller than average and most of them are men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are a highly qualified candidate with good credentials and performance reviews, and you happen to be short in stature, do you feel like it has ever hindered you career progression?

Discrmnination due to height is very prevalent and well accepted. There are very, very few people that are short in stature in front facing leadership positions in the corporate world or in the political arena. But how has it affected you personally in real life? We are all told about having positive body acceptance, so why is discrimination based on height so well accepted across all races? Weight is something people can at least control while height is out of someone's control. Many studies have shown that people psychologically associate height with power, more competence, and leadership abilities even though it is based purely on subconscious perceptions alone.

Are hiring committees even aware of such biases based on physical appearance when evaluating candidates?

I think what has impacted me more than my height is being a woman...followed by being Hispanic.

Shorter women face no where near the same negative effects as shorter men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are a highly qualified candidate with good credentials and performance reviews, and you happen to be short in stature, do you feel like it has ever hindered you career progression?

Discrmnination due to height is very prevalent and well accepted. There are very, very few people that are short in stature in front facing leadership positions in the corporate world or in the political arena. But how has it affected you personally in real life? We are all told about having positive body acceptance, so why is discrimination based on height so well accepted across all races? Weight is something people can at least control while height is out of someone's control. Many studies have shown that people psychologically associate height with power, more competence, and leadership abilities even though it is based purely on subconscious perceptions alone.

Are hiring committees even aware of such biases based on physical appearance when evaluating candidates?

I think what has impacted me more than my height is being a woman...followed by being Hispanic.

Shorter women face no where near the same negative effects as shorter men.

And now there is DEI promoting and setting quotas for women, Latina promotion etc. there is no DEI for short men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are a highly qualified candidate with good credentials and performance reviews, and you happen to be short in stature, do you feel like it has ever hindered you career progression?

Discrmnination due to height is very prevalent and well accepted. There are very, very few people that are short in stature in front facing leadership positions in the corporate world or in the political arena. But how has it affected you personally in real life? We are all told about having positive body acceptance, so why is discrimination based on height so well accepted across all races? Weight is something people can at least control while height is out of someone's control. Many studies have shown that people psychologically associate height with power, more competence, and leadership abilities even though it is based purely on subconscious perceptions alone.

Are hiring committees even aware of such biases based on physical appearance when evaluating candidates?

I think what has impacted me more than my height is being a woman...followed by being Hispanic.

Shorter women face no where near the same negative effects as shorter men.

There is a difference between in the social sphere and the work sphere, even in the way I'm treated. Socially being short is fine, but at work being tall is an advantage, even for Latinas. The Latinas that rise are taller and whiter than average - think Argentines or Venezuelans of Italian or German descent.