Is FCPS ending advance math for students who are not in AAP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a drama llama.

I work in a E3 school. The kids who need it will get advanced math in 5th and take the 6th grade SOL like normal.

If anything, according to our Math Coach, we are on track for MORE kids to take advanced math based on last year's SOL performance and i-ready performance.

I teach 5th grade (and also teach advanced math).

Except they will miss it in 3rd and 4th and then will have more ground to make up in 5th and 6th.

IT DOESN'T MATTER. My kid was not advanced tracked. Looped in with all the degenerate geneds, according to you all on here. And she's had A's in all honors math classes and is handling AP math well, too. Lots of those AAP and advanced math kids are not doing as well as she is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a drama llama.

I work in a E3 school. The kids who need it will get advanced math in 5th and take the 6th grade SOL like normal.

If anything, according to our Math Coach, we are on track for MORE kids to take advanced math based on last year's SOL performance and i-ready performance.

I teach 5th grade (and also teach advanced math).

I feel like this is the type of response we are going to get from the inside:
Step 1: Nothing to see here/that’s not what’s happening
Step 2: Well okay yes it’s sort of happening, but the way those who don’t like it characterize it sounds bad so no, it’s not like THAT!
Step 3: Yes it’s happening and here’s why it’s a good thing!
Step 4: What do you mean “Advanced math?” We’ve never had anything like that here…what kind of elitist are you?

Memory hole complete.

Wow. The teacher says more kids are on track to take advanced math, including a grade level accelerated SOL. From that you pull out this paranoid fantasy.

[Anonymous]

I'm at an E3 pilot school and my current 5th grader participated in E3 math in 4th grade. I also have an older student who did the advanced math that most people are familiar with (compacted math in 4th grade, skipped to 6th grade math as a 5th grader and took the 6th grade SOL).

I was not impressed with E3 math at our school. We did have a math coach working with our 4th grade teachers, which I think helped a little. They would meet as a team to create each week's lessons and also the extensions that went along with each lesson for kids that needed it. They also did once-a-week math pull outs with the Level 3 AAP teachers, but unfortunately using that pull out for math skills meant they didn't get their normal level 3 curriculum.

My 4th grader bombed the 4th grade math SOL, as in he passed but barely. My understanding from other parents is that this happened for a lot of the "advanced math" kids. So now in 5th grade, they did leave the same group designated as "advanced" even though so many of them didn't seem to even learn the 4th grade material, let alone the 5th grade material. Their 5th grade teacher is trying to catch them up with both 5th grade and 6th grade material so that they can take the 6th grade SOL. I know she's an excellent math teacher so I'm hoping this will work.

I understand that E3 is supposed to leave the path open for more kids to be designated advanced in 5th grade by not teaching "advanced" kids separately in 3rd and 4th. But from what I experienced, it didn't work very well for anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a drama llama.

I work in a E3 school. The kids who need it will get advanced math in 5th and take the 6th grade SOL like normal.

If anything, according to our Math Coach, we are on track for MORE kids to take advanced math based on last year's SOL performance and i-ready performance.

I teach 5th grade (and also teach advanced math).

Except they will miss it in 3rd and 4th and then will have more ground to make up in 5th and 6th.

IT DOESN'T MATTER. My kid was not advanced tracked. Looped in with all the degenerate geneds, according to you all on here. And she's had A's in all honors math classes and is handling AP math well, too. Lots of those AAP and advanced math kids are not doing as well as she is.

I'm sure lots of them aren't, but that doesn't mean that lots of them aren't doing great. Not every school is full of great students taking gen ed classes. In lots of schools, gen ed means behind grade level

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At some point, the 5th graders on track for 6th grade SOL, need a separate Math class. Our E3 school is not doing this. And no, not everyone is advanced.

Its frustrating how little information there is on this.

Maybe they are concerned that people will misconstrue any potential changes and spread misinformation?

You know what encourages inferences and the spread of misinformation? A lack of trust in an institution paired with a lack of communication

There are no good options when dealing with irrational hostiles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a drama llama.

I work in a E3 school. The kids who need it will get advanced math in 5th and take the 6th grade SOL like normal.

If anything, according to our Math Coach, we are on track for MORE kids to take advanced math based on last year's SOL performance and i-ready performance.

I teach 5th grade (and also teach advanced math).

Except they will miss it in 3rd and 4th and then will have more ground to make up in 5th and 6th.

IT DOESN'T MATTER. My kid was not advanced tracked. Looped in with all the degenerate geneds, according to you all on here. And she's had A's in all honors math classes and is handling AP math well, too. Lots of those AAP and advanced math kids are not doing as well as she is.

No one is calling anyone degenerate. Kids have different academic needs and capabilities. It's great to recognize and support that. We do this already in lots of ways and are increasing programs to provide for different needs. No reason to remove advanced math from the kids who might need it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC told me that their teacher informed them there will be no Advanced math from 2024 onwards. Any FCPS staff here, is it correct?

Big deal. At our Level IV school, they tracked them into "advanced math" in the 3d or 4th grade. Once you were in, you could be booted out. But you could never be tracked in at that point. No matter your grades, test scores, etc.

My DD should have been tracked in by 5th grade and wasn't. She went on to all Honors and now AP math in high school.

My kids elementary school tested every year. It started in 2nd grade. One of mine was in the program the full duration. The other went in an out depenfing on the year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a drama llama.

I work in a E3 school. The kids who need it will get advanced math in 5th and take the 6th grade SOL like normal.

If anything, according to our Math Coach, we are on track for MORE kids to take advanced math based on last year's SOL performance and i-ready performance.

I teach 5th grade (and also teach advanced math).

Except they will miss it in 3rd and 4th and then will have more ground to make up in 5th and 6th.

IT DOESN'T MATTER. My kid was not advanced tracked. Looped in with all the degenerate geneds, according to you all on here. And she's had A's in all honors math classes and is handling AP math well, too. Lots of those AAP and advanced math kids are not doing as well as she is.

I'm sure lots of them aren't, but that doesn't mean that lots of them aren't doing great. Not every school is full of great students taking gen ed classes. In lots of schools, gen ed means behind grade level

Exactly. All of the dumbos are in general ed. Which is why all the smart parents get their kids into AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is OP. What’s E3

https://www.fcps.edu/node/44416
"Partner with the Advanced Academic Office expand the E3 Network from 10 to 20 schools. Improve intensity of support for network schools as they implement Engaging, Enhanced, and Extended Mathematics or E3. The purpose of E3 is to broaden the access for third and fourth graders to a more rigorous curriculum in elementary mathematics by raising the rigor for all students through an enhanced program of studies that layers more opportunities for depth and complexity through flexible delivery of Advanced Academic extensions."

E3 schools use heterogenous math classes for grades 3 & 4 that combine regular and advanced math students; instead of having a separate advanced math class, teachers are expected to provide differentiation/extensions to advanced students within a mixed ability class. The extensions go deeper into grade-level content as opposed to the accelerated content usually taught in advanced math classes.

Twenty elementary schools used E3 last year. Unclear how many are using it this year.

Is there a list of schools anywhere?

Previously, these schools were mentioned here as having E3: Bailey's Upper, Herndon, Lake Anne, Lane, Lynbrook, Rolling Valley, Union Mill, and Virginia Run. FCPS has not publicly listed the 20 schools that used E3 in 2022-23; unclear if additional schools were added for 2023-24 or not.

This is the first year that kids who have done E3 will take the SOL in 5th grade. It will be interesting to look at SOL data this summer for the above schools to see 1) the breakdown of 5th graders taking the Math 5 vs Math 6 SOL in 2023-24 relative to prior years and 2) compare 5th grade SOL scores relative to prior years. FCPS should publicly identify all the elementary schools that are using E3 so people can see what impact (if any) there has been on SOL scores and course selection. By not publicly identifying the E3 schools, FCPS is preempting a transparent assessment of E3's results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is OP. What’s E3

https://www.fcps.edu/node/44416
"Partner with the Advanced Academic Office expand the E3 Network from 10 to 20 schools. Improve intensity of support for network schools as they implement Engaging, Enhanced, and Extended Mathematics or E3. The purpose of E3 is to broaden the access for third and fourth graders to a more rigorous curriculum in elementary mathematics by raising the rigor for all students through an enhanced program of studies that layers more opportunities for depth and complexity through flexible delivery of Advanced Academic extensions."

E3 schools use heterogenous math classes for grades 3 & 4 that combine regular and advanced math students; instead of having a separate advanced math class, teachers are expected to provide differentiation/extensions to advanced students within a mixed ability class. The extensions go deeper into grade-level content as opposed to the accelerated content usually taught in advanced math classes.

Twenty elementary schools used E3 last year. Unclear how many are using it this year.

Is there a list of schools anywhere?

Previously, these schools were mentioned here as having E3: Bailey's Upper, Herndon, Lake Anne, Lane, Lynbrook, Rolling Valley, Union Mill, and Virginia Run. FCPS has not publicly listed the 20 schools that used E3 in 2022-23; unclear if additional schools were added for 2023-24 or not.

This is the first year that kids who have done E3 will take the SOL in 5th grade. It will be interesting to look at SOL data this summer for the above schools to see 1) the breakdown of 5th graders taking the Math 5 vs Math 6 SOL in 2023-24 relative to prior years and 2) compare 5th grade SOL scores relative to prior years. FCPS should publicly identify all the elementary schools that are using E3 so people can see what impact (if any) there has been on SOL scores and course selection. By not publicly identifying the E3 schools, FCPS is preempting a transparent assessment of E3's results.

As a parent with a child in the pilot, they also said we’d get to give feedback on the pilot program to the district. That has not happened yet. I asked everyone who ran for school board in my district and the at-large candidates and none of them knew that E3 was happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At some point, the 5th graders on track for 6th grade SOL, need a separate Math class. Our E3 school is not doing this. And no, not everyone is advanced.

Its frustrating how little information there is on this.

Fifth grade math classes in your E3 school are heterogenous? Has it always been like that or has E3 been extended to 5th grade?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm at an E3 pilot school and my current 5th grader participated in E3 math in 4th grade. I also have an older student who did the advanced math that most people are familiar with (compacted math in 4th grade, skipped to 6th grade math as a 5th grader and took the 6th grade SOL).

I was not impressed with E3 math at our school. We did have a math coach working with our 4th grade teachers, which I think helped a little. They would meet as a team to create each week's lessons and also the extensions that went along with each lesson for kids that needed it. They also did once-a-week math pull outs with the Level 3 AAP teachers, but unfortunately using that pull out for math skills meant they didn't get their normal level 3 curriculum.

My 4th grader bombed the 4th grade math SOL, as in he passed but barely. My understanding from other parents is that this happened for a lot of the "advanced math" kids. So now in 5th grade, they did leave the same group designated as "advanced" even though so many of them didn't seem to even learn the 4th grade material, let alone the 5th grade material. Their 5th grade teacher is trying to catch them up with both 5th grade and 6th grade material so that they can take the 6th grade SOL. I know she's an excellent math teacher so I'm hoping this will work.

I understand that E3 is supposed to leave the path open for more kids to be designated advanced in 5th grade by not teaching "advanced" kids separately in 3rd and 4th. But from what I experienced, it didn't work very well for anyone.

NP. Our neighborhood school is an E3 pilot and I have heard this exact same thing from several parents. I still get the school's newsletters even though my kids have moved on and there has been no mention of the success of the program. I'm sure if SOL scores improved even incrementally there would've been an announcement.

I agree with the other PP who said there needs to be a transparent assessment of the results of this program.

[Anonymous]

Is there a list of schools that are doing E3 math?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there a list of schools that are doing E3 math?

FCPS has not listed the E3 schools publicly. But they should.

[Anonymous]

FCPS is never going to be transparent. They will put on a show and then do what they want to accomplish what ever they have set out to do. Would be OK if the goal was to have every child reach his/her full potential. But sadly that is never the goal.