2023-24 FCPS High School Transfers

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Anonymous wrote:If a school has AP, what are the other reasons people use for transfer?

Does the list perfectly matchup with FARMs percentiles?

Could be for a foreign language or Academy program, could be a family with a senior that moved but wants to finish at their old school, might be a placement to a new school after a disciplinary incident - there are other reasons besides pupil placing for AP or IB.

The second list doesn't perfectly match up with FARMS percentages. The number of kids transferring also gets affected by other factors, such as whether schools are open or closed to transfers and how people perceive the transfer options relative to their assigned school.

It doesn't perfectly line up with farms, but the poor schools have the most transfers out and the rich schools have the fewest

Correct, in the sense that if you look at the 10 schools with the most transfers excluding TJ, only two would not be considered high FARMS (Westfield and Robinson) and if you look at the 10 with the fewest transfers excluding TJ, only one is considered high FARMS (Edison).

In Westfield's case, the total #s may get skewed by the fact that it's a big school. In Robinson's case, you have a lot of kids who did AAP at Lake Braddock in middle school and want to stay there for high school. Edison sends a few dozen kids to Hayfield, but otherwise doesn't send a lot of kids to other schools (and receives more kids from each of Hayfield and Lewis than it sends to Hayfield).

Westfield to South Lakes looks like IB transfers. Robinson is probably placing kids out for APs, would be my guess.

Some of that, but more it is that Lake Braddock and Robinson are secondary schools and the MS AAP program is housed at Lake Braddock so quite a few kids in that program transfer to stay at Lake Braddock for HS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a school has AP, what are the other reasons people use for transfer?

Does the list perfectly matchup with FARMs percentiles?

Could be for a foreign language or Academy program, could be a family with a senior that moved but wants to finish at their old school, might be a placement to a new school after a disciplinary incident - there are other reasons besides pupil placing for AP or IB.

The second list doesn't perfectly match up with FARMS percentages. The number of kids transferring also gets affected by other factors, such as whether schools are open or closed to transfers and how people perceive the transfer options relative to their assigned school.

It doesn't perfectly line up with farms, but the poor schools have the most transfers out and the rich schools have the fewest

Correct, in the sense that if you look at the 10 schools with the most transfers excluding TJ, only two would not be considered high FARMS (Westfield and Robinson) and if you look at the 10 with the fewest transfers excluding TJ, only one is considered high FARMS (Edison).

In Westfield's case, the total #s may get skewed by the fact that it's a big school. In Robinson's case, you have a lot of kids who did AAP at Lake Braddock in middle school and want to stay there for high school. Edison sends a few dozen kids to Hayfield, but otherwise doesn't send a lot of kids to other schools (and receives more kids from each of Hayfield and Lewis than it sends to Hayfield).

Westfield to South Lakes looks like IB transfers. Robinson is probably placing kids out for APs, would be my guess.

Some of that, but more it is that Lake Braddock and Robinson are secondary schools and the MS AAP program is housed at Lake Braddock so quite a few kids in that program transfer to stay at Lake Braddock for HS.

I assume that Robinson-zoned kids who've been in the AAP MS program at Lake Braddock still have to satisfy one of the pupil placement requirements to remain at LBSS, so they commit to taking the required number of AP courses at Lake Braddock. But maybe you're saying their primary motivation is to stay with their middle school classmates rather than to take AP rather than IB courses?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a school has AP, what are the other reasons people use for transfer?

Does the list perfectly matchup with FARMs percentiles?

Could be for a foreign language or Academy program, could be a family with a senior that moved but wants to finish at their old school, might be a placement to a new school after a disciplinary incident - there are other reasons besides pupil placing for AP or IB.

The second list doesn't perfectly match up with FARMS percentages. The number of kids transferring also gets affected by other factors, such as whether schools are open or closed to transfers and how people perceive the transfer options relative to their assigned school.

It doesn't perfectly line up with farms, but the poor schools have the most transfers out and the rich schools have the fewest

Correct, in the sense that if you look at the 10 schools with the most transfers excluding TJ, only two would not be considered high FARMS (Westfield and Robinson) and if you look at the 10 with the fewest transfers excluding TJ, only one is considered high FARMS (Edison).

In Westfield's case, the total #s may get skewed by the fact that it's a big school. In Robinson's case, you have a lot of kids who did AAP at Lake Braddock in middle school and want to stay there for high school. Edison sends a few dozen kids to Hayfield, but otherwise doesn't send a lot of kids to other schools (and receives more kids from each of Hayfield and Lewis than it sends to Hayfield).

Westfield to South Lakes looks like IB transfers. Robinson is probably placing kids out for APs, would be my guess.

Some of that, but more it is that Lake Braddock and Robinson are secondary schools and the MS AAP program is housed at Lake Braddock so quite a few kids in that program transfer to stay at Lake Braddock for HS.

I assume that Robinson-zoned kids who've been in the AAP MS program at Lake Braddock still have to satisfy one of the pupil placement requirements to remain at LBSS, so they commit to taking the required number of AP courses at Lake Braddock. But maybe you're saying their primary motivation is to stay with their middle school classmates rather than to take AP rather than IB courses?

Yes, our kid was in AAP and that is how the thinking goes among parents. They say they want it for AP or for a particular language or whatever--but really it's because the kids have friends, they know the school etc. And the way the boundaries are many people are equidistant between the schools anyway so it's just easier to stay where they are at. The Robinson-zoned kids in ES AAP who know they want IB usually just forego staying in the AAP program for MS and go straight to Robinson for MS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The transition from South Lakes to Langley presents a curious scenario. Apparently, a significant number of sophomores and freshmen from Carson Middle who missed out on admission to TJ opted for Langley instead.

This raises questions about the benefits for these students. Langley's academic reputation is largely attributed to parents investing in tutoring, with expenses exceeding $1,000 monthly and over $5,000 for college advisory services. Those unable to afford such costs might find themselves at a disadvantage. Moreover, during college applications, these students are up against peers whose families can afford early decision applications without financial aid or benefit from legacy admissions. Additionally, the longer commute to Langley might limit their time for self-study and after-school activities.

It would be intriguing to analyze the long-term outcomes for these students.

My guess is that the Fox Mill kids who have been in Japanese Immersion move to Langley for the AP and make the argument that they want to continue their Japanese language courses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The transition from South Lakes to Langley presents a curious scenario. Apparently, a significant number of sophomores and freshmen from Carson Middle who missed out on admission to TJ opted for Langley instead.

This raises questions about the benefits for these students. Langley's academic reputation is largely attributed to parents investing in tutoring, with expenses exceeding $1,000 monthly and over $5,000 for college advisory services. Those unable to afford such costs might find themselves at a disadvantage. Moreover, during college applications, these students are up against peers whose families can afford early decision applications without financial aid or benefit from legacy admissions. Additionally, the longer commute to Langley might limit their time for self-study and after-school activities.

It would be intriguing to analyze the long-term outcomes for these students.

My guess is that the Fox Mill kids who have been in Japanese Immersion move to Langley for the AP and make the argument that they want to continue their Japanese language courses.

South Lakes offers Japanese, and there are AP schools with capacity closer to Fox Mill than Langley. So that wouldn't seem to justify a pupil placement to Langley.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The transition from South Lakes to Langley presents a curious scenario. Apparently, a significant number of sophomores and freshmen from Carson Middle who missed out on admission to TJ opted for Langley instead.

This raises questions about the benefits for these students. Langley's academic reputation is largely attributed to parents investing in tutoring, with expenses exceeding $1,000 monthly and over $5,000 for college advisory services. Those unable to afford such costs might find themselves at a disadvantage. Moreover, during college applications, these students are up against peers whose families can afford early decision applications without financial aid or benefit from legacy admissions. Additionally, the longer commute to Langley might limit their time for self-study and after-school activities.

It would be intriguing to analyze the long-term outcomes for these students.

My guess is that the Fox Mill kids who have been in Japanese Immersion move to Langley for the AP and make the argument that they want to continue their Japanese language courses.

South Lakes offers Japanese, and there are AP schools with capacity closer to Fox Mill than Langley. So that wouldn't seem to justify a pupil placement to Langley.

South Lakes is IB, the Fox Mill families could say they want AP and Japanese. I believe Oakton has Japanese and AP as well, which is where the kids I know from South Lakes tend to end up. I am just guessing what one path could be from South Lakes to Langley, AP and Japanese makes a certain amount of sense. Chantilly and Oakton are both pretty full, Langley has more space.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The transition from South Lakes to Langley presents a curious scenario. Apparently, a significant number of sophomores and freshmen from Carson Middle who missed out on admission to TJ opted for Langley instead.

This raises questions about the benefits for these students. Langley's academic reputation is largely attributed to parents investing in tutoring, with expenses exceeding $1,000 monthly and over $5,000 for college advisory services. Those unable to afford such costs might find themselves at a disadvantage. Moreover, during college applications, these students are up against peers whose families can afford early decision applications without financial aid or benefit from legacy admissions. Additionally, the longer commute to Langley might limit their time for self-study and after-school activities.

It would be intriguing to analyze the long-term outcomes for these students.

My guess is that the Fox Mill kids who have been in Japanese Immersion move to Langley for the AP and make the argument that they want to continue their Japanese language courses.

South Lakes offers Japanese, and there are AP schools with capacity closer to Fox Mill than Langley. So that wouldn't seem to justify a pupil placement to Langley.

South Lakes is IB, the Fox Mill families could say they want AP and Japanese. I believe Oakton has Japanese and AP as well, which is where the kids I know from South Lakes tend to end up. I am just guessing what one path could be from South Lakes to Langley, AP and Japanese makes a certain amount of sense. Chantilly and Oakton are both pretty full, Langley has more space.

Yeah, maybe, but aren't both Oakton and Westfield closer to Fox Mill than Langley? They both are AP schools that offer Japanese. Chantilly doesn't offer Japanese.