HBS job offers fall to five year lows — recruitment market frozen

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The recent controversy involving Harvard is shining a spotlight on what top universities are teaching their students. This is similar to what Covid-19 did for parents when their kids were doing remote learning.

Harvard has taken a huge hit to its brand and prestige, no questions about it. Many more people are looking at recent grads with a skepticism we didn't before, and not only Harvard but other elite colleges too. But that aside, I still agree with previous posters who commented that a top MBA (top 10 school) is a great and quick route to solid six figure incomes. It really can leapfrog you up the corporate ladder and I know plenty of people who went for a top 10 MBA from a huge variety of backgrounds and all have done extremely well.

This had to happen so that there is a refocus on what employers want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The recent controversy involving Harvard is shining a spotlight on what top universities are teaching their students. This is similar to what Covid-19 did for parents when their kids were doing remote learning.

Harvard has taken a huge hit to its brand and prestige, no questions about it. Many more people are looking at recent grads with a skepticism we didn't before, and not only Harvard but other elite colleges too. But that aside, I still agree with previous posters who commented that a top MBA (top 10 school) is a great and quick route to solid six figure incomes. It really can leapfrog you up the corporate ladder and I know plenty of people who went for a top 10 MBA from a huge variety of backgrounds and all have done extremely well.

This had to happen so that there is a refocus on what employers want.

Employers just want the smartest students; they don’t care what the students are being taught.

[Anonymous]

Harvard is losing all the bright Jewish Kids so left with second tier students

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The recent controversy involving Harvard is shining a spotlight on what top universities are teaching their students. This is similar to what Covid-19 did for parents when their kids were doing remote learning.

Harvard has taken a huge hit to its brand and prestige, no questions about it. Many more people are looking at recent grads with a skepticism we didn't before, and not only Harvard but other elite colleges too. But that aside, I still agree with previous posters who commented that a top MBA (top 10 school) is a great and quick route to solid six figure incomes. It really can leapfrog you up the corporate ladder and I know plenty of people who went for a top 10 MBA from a huge variety of backgrounds and all have done extremely well.

This had to happen so that there is a refocus on what employers want.

Employers just want the smartest students; they don’t care what the students are being taught.

Employers often prioritize EQ over IQ. EQ matters more in more senior jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harvard is losing all the bright Jewish Kids so left with second tier students

huh? this might be the most ridiculous thing i've read all day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard is losing all the bright Jewish Kids so left with second tier students

huh? this might be the most ridiculous thing i've read all day.

Why? my very rich was 86 percent Jewish back in the 1970s and the Jewish kids parents were Playwrights, Movie Producers, Doctors, Lawyers, Judges, Ivy League Professors, Scientists. Both parents brilliant. Back then no real SAT review classes, SAT and college applications and essays hand written by students and my school no extra points for AP and GPA was a hard number. Impossible to get a 100 GPA as one missed gym class or one cake in cooking class or one mess up in a lab experiment got you below 100. No make ups.

Today the kids my HS a lot barely speak English or dumb rich white kids and parents uneducated and pour little life savings into SAT tutoring, paid Essay writing and cram classes. The kids have no depth and will add zero to a class discussion. And with grade inflation their grades are bloated.

They are not the same caliber of kids to hire

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard is losing all the bright Jewish Kids so left with second tier students

huh? this might be the most ridiculous thing i've read all day.

Why? my very rich was 86 percent Jewish back in the 1970s and the Jewish kids parents were Playwrights, Movie Producers, Doctors, Lawyers, Judges, Ivy League Professors, Scientists. Both parents brilliant. Back then no real SAT review classes, SAT and college applications and essays hand written by students and my school no extra points for AP and GPA was a hard number. Impossible to get a 100 GPA as one missed gym class or one cake in cooking class or one mess up in a lab experiment got you below 100. No make ups.

Today the kids my HS a lot barely speak English or dumb rich white kids and parents uneducated and pour little life savings into SAT tutoring, paid Essay writing and cram classes. The kids have no depth and will add zero to a class discussion. And with grade inflation their grades are bloated.

They are not the same caliber of kids to hire

Please learn how to write coherently before complaining about anyone else's mastery of English.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The recent controversy involving Harvard is shining a spotlight on what top universities are teaching their students. This is similar to what Covid-19 did for parents when their kids were doing remote learning.

Harvard has taken a huge hit to its brand and prestige, no questions about it. Many more people are looking at recent grads with a skepticism we didn't before, and not only Harvard but other elite colleges too. But that aside, I still agree with previous posters who commented that a top MBA (top 10 school) is a great and quick route to solid six figure incomes. It really can leapfrog you up the corporate ladder and I know plenty of people who went for a top 10 MBA from a huge variety of backgrounds and all have done extremely well.

This had to happen so that there is a refocus on what employers want.

Employers just want the smartest students; they don’t care what the students are being taught.

Employers often prioritize EQ over IQ. EQ matters more in more senior jobs.

I'm sure in some workplaces this might be true, but not most of them. I work for a F200 and we hire white men all the time for senior roles. And all are hard working people who know how to deliver. The equity priority is most pronounced in higher education (d'oh) and non profits including healthcare. But for profit still need competence.

But back to Harvard, yes, people are genuinely worried about what is now being taught at the elite schools. It can't be hidden any more. The people doing the hiring today are people who graduated 15-25 years ago on average, and really had no idea how much has changed in the last 10 years. Harvard today is not the Harvard of 2005.

[Anonymous]

MBAs can be great if you are looking to switch fields. Is what you learn in them that useful? Imo no, as you can learn all that on your own (or on a job). The value proposition is the networking you get to do with your peers and the campus recruitment of those MBAs.

All that being said, I would only advice one to do an MBA at a top 10 school (give or take). The ROI of those is good. But if you are going to some no name MBA (for example GW or AU) then don't waster your time and money. Even (given that this is a DC forum) Georgetown McDonough I would think twice before deciding to go for it (the 150k mean after graduation, to me, just does not seem worth the massive investment given that you are around 31 at graduation, assuming average entrance age of 29. Furthermore, and don't know how accurate this is, I recall a few years ago their acceptance rate was close to 50%, which granted you have to take into account self selection, still seems too high)

Similarly, if talking JDs, go for a T14, otherwise the odds of you getting a big law job (or a job where you actually use your legal degree) is small. I have met quite a few people that got JDs from lesser schools (my sample size is mostly AU and to a lesser extent GW tbh) that just did not get a job in their field.