Why this sub forum is so obsessed with class and money

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s kinda about money, but more about prestige. A quirky 22-year old Yale graduate who works in a bookstore gets a totally different response compared to the same employee who attended George Mason. Why? Because, you imagine that the Yale grad just loves books, is interesting/curious, probably soon going to a prestigious graduate school or writing a novel, and is carving an idiosyncratic, but exciting path. Unfortunately, you imagine that the GM student is working for money until they can find something better. They are a cog in the wheel of life hoping to find somewhere to fit. May not be true, but so it goes.

No one respects the Yale grad who works at a book store... if they're not producing, they've wasted their potential.

A lot of authors you read for your book club went to Yale and worked in bookstores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because the DMV is a hellmouth full of the kind of tiresome people who think they and their kids are in some kind of gladiatorial deathmatch toward an arbitrary version of success that they've seen on TV, or heard about from the country club their boss let them visit once--or dreamed about before they or their parents came to America, or the east coast from Iowa, or Appalachia, or Antigua--whatever.

You know all those people in high school who thought student government was interesting? Who ratted you out for running in the hallway? Who would never dare to wear black? They're all here. Every last one of them. And they all have Extremely Important Jobs. They'd tell you more but they're in a hurry. Extremely Important, remember? That's why they drive around you when waiting to make a left turn to make one themselves, that's why they honk the millisecond the light turns green, that's why they look like they got dressed using the Preppy Handbook c. 1983 and a Talbot's catalogue as their style guide.

I respect the idea that college should be a training ground for future employment--hard to disagree with that. But the narrow version of success these people outline is deeply conformist, uncreative, aesthetically terrible, and, in most cases, bound to turn their kids into neurotic, miserable people who constantly chase a brass ring that most will never reach... those that do will spend the next few decades talking to their therapist about having imposter syndrome.

Tin pot admins who whine about their 2.5 million dollar houses. No, seriously I'm not jealous. You people have the worst taste.

Seek help.
I think you need a therapy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree it’s illogical. Objectively many technical blue collar jobs would earn more than many ba college grads with free or much cheaper training. Year they are shunned by the striver class. It is a perception only.

Can you name any blue collar job that makes more than an engineer and 1) doesn't destroy your body and 2) has any upward mobility? The great thing about blue collar jobs is that the trade offs between health and salary are very clear. You can earn 200k as an underwater welder, but you will be lucky to do it for a decade let alone a career. A long haul trucker makes great money, but they are away from home most of their lives.

I'm curious as to how you think working 80-hour weeks in biglaw is healthy. All the sitting?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree it’s illogical. Objectively many technical blue collar jobs would earn more than many ba college grads with free or much cheaper training. Year they are shunned by the striver class. It is a perception only.

Can you name any blue collar job that makes more than an engineer and 1) doesn't destroy your body and 2) has any upward mobility? The great thing about blue collar jobs is that the trade offs between health and salary are very clear. You can earn 200k as an underwater welder, but you will be lucky to do it for a decade let alone a career. A long haul trucker makes great money, but they are away from home most of their lives.

NP here. I knew a guy who didn’t go to college and had a very successful HVAC business. I also had a friend whose dad was a plumber and had a plumbing business and they lived very very well. While I don’t know exactly how much they earned, they definitely earned way more than a typical engineer. Both guys I mentioned had beautiful homes in NY.

+1. Own your own business or co-own w/ business partners and you’re easily out-earning an engineer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree it’s illogical. Objectively many technical blue collar jobs would earn more than many ba college grads with free or much cheaper training. Year they are shunned by the striver class. It is a perception only.

Can you name any blue collar job that makes more than an engineer and 1) doesn't destroy your body and 2) has any upward mobility? The great thing about blue collar jobs is that the trade offs between health and salary are very clear. You can earn 200k as an underwater welder, but you will be lucky to do it for a decade let alone a career. A long haul trucker makes great money, but they are away from home most of their lives.

I'm curious as to how you think working 80-hour weeks in biglaw is healthy. All the sitting?

That’s why they’ve added standing desks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s kinda about money, but more about prestige. A quirky 22-year old Yale graduate who works in a bookstore gets a totally different response compared to the same employee who attended George Mason. Why? Because, you imagine that the Yale grad just loves books, is interesting/curious, probably soon going to a prestigious graduate school or writing a novel, and is carving an idiosyncratic, but exciting path. Unfortunately, you imagine that the GM student is working for money until they can find something better. They are a cog in the wheel of life hoping to find somewhere to fit. May not be true, but so it goes.

You cannot be serious, though sadly I know that you are. Not enough eye rolls for this.
NP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s kinda about money, but more about prestige. A quirky 22-year old Yale graduate who works in a bookstore gets a totally different response compared to the same employee who attended George Mason. Why? Because, you imagine that the Yale grad just loves books, is interesting/curious, probably soon going to a prestigious graduate school or writing a novel, and is carving an idiosyncratic, but exciting path. Unfortunately, you imagine that the GM student is working for money until they can find something better. They are a cog in the wheel of life hoping to find somewhere to fit. May not be true, but so it goes.

No one respects the Yale grad who works at a book store... if they're not producing, they've wasted their potential.

A 22-year old Yale kid has not written their story. You seem uptight. You sound like someone who thinks a VT degree in CS and a FANG job is the epitome of doing well.

DP. OMG - you are either trolling or delusional.

[Anonymous]

Get lucky and work at a unicorn company and have a boatload of RSUs when the company goes public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because the DMV is a hellmouth full of the kind of tiresome people who think they and their kids are in some kind of gladiatorial deathmatch toward an arbitrary version of success that they've seen on TV, or heard about from the country club their boss let them visit once--or dreamed about before they or their parents came to America, or the east coast from Iowa, or Appalachia, or Antigua--whatever.

You know all those people in high school who thought student government was interesting? Who ratted you out for running in the hallway? Who would never dare to wear black? They're all here. Every last one of them. And they all have Extremely Important Jobs. They'd tell you more but they're in a hurry. Extremely Important, remember? That's why they drive around you when waiting to make a left turn to make one themselves, that's why they honk the millisecond the light turns green, that's why they look like they got dressed using the Preppy Handbook c. 1983 and a Talbot's catalogue as their style guide.

I respect the idea that college should be a training ground for future employment--hard to disagree with that. But the narrow version of success these people outline is deeply conformist, uncreative, aesthetically terrible, and, in most cases, bound to turn their kids into neurotic, miserable people who constantly chase a brass ring that most will never reach... those that do will spend the next few decades talking to their therapist about having imposter syndrome.

Tin pot admins who whine about their 2.5 million dollar houses. No, seriously I'm not jealous. You people have the worst taste.

And here we have that person who, in high school, *only* wore black, had multiple piercings, was a theatre and/or art kid, wore heavy black eyeliner, and scoffed at anyone who was in any way “normal” or “‘mainstream.” This person had/has utter disdain for anyone who wasn’t “alternative,” like them. “How totally unimaginative! What a sheep/follower/sell-out!”

You are such a caricature it’s actually beyond amusing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because the DMV is a hellmouth full of the kind of tiresome people who think they and their kids are in some kind of gladiatorial deathmatch toward an arbitrary version of success that they've seen on TV, or heard about from the country club their boss let them visit once--or dreamed about before they or their parents came to America, or the east coast from Iowa, or Appalachia, or Antigua--whatever.

You know all those people in high school who thought student government was interesting? Who ratted you out for running in the hallway? Who would never dare to wear black? They're all here. Every last one of them. And they all have Extremely Important Jobs. They'd tell you more but they're in a hurry. Extremely Important, remember? That's why they drive around you when waiting to make a left turn to make one themselves, that's why they honk the millisecond the light turns green, that's why they look like they got dressed using the Preppy Handbook c. 1983 and a Talbot's catalogue as their style guide.

I respect the idea that college should be a training ground for future employment--hard to disagree with that. But the narrow version of success these people outline is deeply conformist, uncreative, aesthetically terrible, and, in most cases, bound to turn their kids into neurotic, miserable people who constantly chase a brass ring that most will never reach... those that do will spend the next few decades talking to their therapist about having imposter syndrome.

Tin pot admins who whine about their 2.5 million dollar houses. No, seriously I'm not jealous. You people have the worst taste.

And here we have that person who, in high school, *only* wore black, had multiple piercings, was a theatre and/or art kid, wore heavy black eyeliner, and scoffed at anyone who was in any way “normal” or “‘mainstream.” This person had/has utter disdain for anyone who wasn’t “alternative,” like them. “How totally unimaginative! What a sheep/follower/sell-out!”

You are such a caricature it’s actually beyond amusing.

Wrong. Also when I graduated college I got an analyst job at Paribas. It's because I've seen the world you aspire to that I think you're sad not to have better goals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because the DMV is a hellmouth full of the kind of tiresome people who think they and their kids are in some kind of gladiatorial deathmatch toward an arbitrary version of success that they've seen on TV, or heard about from the country club their boss let them visit once--or dreamed about before they or their parents came to America, or the east coast from Iowa, or Appalachia, or Antigua--whatever.

You know all those people in high school who thought student government was interesting? Who ratted you out for running in the hallway? Who would never dare to wear black? They're all here. Every last one of them. And they all have Extremely Important Jobs. They'd tell you more but they're in a hurry. Extremely Important, remember? That's why they drive around you when waiting to make a left turn to make one themselves, that's why they honk the millisecond the light turns green, that's why they look like they got dressed using the Preppy Handbook c. 1983 and a Talbot's catalogue as their style guide.

I respect the idea that college should be a training ground for future employment--hard to disagree with that. But the narrow version of success these people outline is deeply conformist, uncreative, aesthetically terrible, and, in most cases, bound to turn their kids into neurotic, miserable people who constantly chase a brass ring that most will never reach... those that do will spend the next few decades talking to their therapist about having imposter syndrome.

Tin pot admins who whine about their 2.5 million dollar houses. No, seriously I'm not jealous. You people have the worst taste.

And here we have that person who, in high school, *only* wore black, had multiple piercings, was a theatre and/or art kid, wore heavy black eyeliner, and scoffed at anyone who was in any way “normal” or “‘mainstream.” This person had/has utter disdain for anyone who wasn’t “alternative,” like them. “How totally unimaginative! What a sheep/follower/sell-out!”

You are such a caricature it’s actually beyond amusing.

Wrong. Also when I graduated college I got an analyst job at Paribas. It's because I've seen the world you aspire to that I think you're sad not to have better goals.

How on earth would you know “the world I aspire to”? You sound extremely arrogant, not to mention angry and unhappy, so anything you have to say is being disregarded. You’re not making whatever case you think you are.

[Anonymous]

It is less about just money and more about credentials and perceived prestige.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because the DMV is a hellmouth full of the kind of tiresome people who think they and their kids are in some kind of gladiatorial deathmatch toward an arbitrary version of success that they've seen on TV, or heard about from the country club their boss let them visit once--or dreamed about before they or their parents came to America, or the east coast from Iowa, or Appalachia, or Antigua--whatever.

You know all those people in high school who thought student government was interesting? Who ratted you out for running in the hallway? Who would never dare to wear black? They're all here. Every last one of them. And they all have Extremely Important Jobs. They'd tell you more but they're in a hurry. Extremely Important, remember? That's why they drive around you when waiting to make a left turn to make one themselves, that's why they honk the millisecond the light turns green, that's why they look like they got dressed using the Preppy Handbook c. 1983 and a Talbot's catalogue as their style guide.

I respect the idea that college should be a training ground for future employment--hard to disagree with that. But the narrow version of success these people outline is deeply conformist, uncreative, aesthetically terrible, and, in most cases, bound to turn their kids into neurotic, miserable people who constantly chase a brass ring that most will never reach... those that do will spend the next few decades talking to their therapist about having imposter syndrome.

Tin pot admins who whine about their 2.5 million dollar houses. No, seriously I'm not jealous. You people have the worst taste.

Seek help.
I think you need a therapy.

DP. I don't think they need help. I think they were spot on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s kinda about money, but more about prestige. A quirky 22-year old Yale graduate who works in a bookstore gets a totally different response compared to the same employee who attended George Mason. Why? Because, you imagine that the Yale grad just loves books, is interesting/curious, probably soon going to a prestigious graduate school or writing a novel, and is carving an idiosyncratic, but exciting path. Unfortunately, you imagine that the GM student is working for money until they can find something better. They are a cog in the wheel of life hoping to find somewhere to fit. May not be true, but so it goes.

No one respects the Yale grad who works at a book store... if they're not producing, they've wasted their potential.

A 22-year old Yale kid has not written their story. You seem uptight. You sound like someone who thinks a VT degree in CS and a FANG job is the epitome of doing well.

Yes that's absolutely better than Yale then bookstore/Starbucks

[Anonymous]

Why are people obsessed with other people's lives

LOL