I feel like we don't talk enough that top LACs are 40%+ recruited athletes.

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Anonymous wrote:So? Vast majority of the athletes there are also great in academics. What’s it to you, OP?

it's made the campus cultures pretty shitty

To you, but not to most students

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Anonymous wrote:I think there's a growing divide btw straight men and gay men on campus, because the athletic numbers reinforce division. Sports just takes up too much time. (related issue, the very small number of straight guys who aren't on a team)

it's a nuanced conversation that doesnt work here, but it's an issue.

I think this is actually a significant unspoken reason why SLACs aren't particularly popular these days. Straight non-athlete students want to find partners too. And SLACs are not where it's at.

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40% and upwards? Doubt it. Link your source.

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NP. On DCUM in this forum i feel like we talk about little else.

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Anonymous wrote:So? Vast majority of the athletes there are also great in academics. What’s it to you, OP?

it's made the campus cultures pretty shitty

Then division 3 schools have had shitty campus cultures since at least 1973, when they split off from div 2, and probably longer than that.

Are you looking for a return to 19th century cultures, PP?

All you athletic haters just have to wait as the NCAA is collapsing under its own weight with the image/NIL rights and loopholes. Pretty soon only the revenue sports will get anything and the rest will all be clubs. So you will get your way, just not right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't talk enough? Are you kidding? There's no end to the whining on DCUM about athletes getting recruited to SLACs.

Seriously. I would LOVE for the anti-athlete obsessives to talk about literally anything else.

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Anonymous wrote:40% and upwards? Doubt it. Link your source.

I am on the side of athletes and recruiting, but the numbers are undeniable.

At Williams College, for example, 42% of the total enrollment of 2,000 students are NCAA athletes. This unusually high percentage of NCAA athletes is due to Williams playing a total of 32 NCAA sports

https://xfactoradmissions.com/basic-guide-to-college-admissions/total-ncaa-athletes-at-the-top-colleges

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think much weight should be put on athletics in admissions - definitely not as much as it gets. But it's nowhere close to 40%. The Post article says 13-36 percent of students at LACs were varsity athletes. Only some of those were recruited, and many of the recruited athletes would have been admitted anyway. I was officially a varsity athlete at a top LAC, but as a bench-warmer on a minor team. It certainly didn't help my application much, if at all. I knew a few students who were varsity athletes in a sport they didn't even play in high school.

williams, Amherst over 40%. Bowdoin over 45%. the top SLACs are super high %

The cited Post article says Williams 36, Amherst 32, Bowdoin 36. Yes, still very high, but a bit lower. And that's total varsity, not recruits.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:40% and upwards? Doubt it. Link your source.

I am on the side of athletes and recruiting, but the numbers are undeniable.

At Williams College, for example, 42% of the total enrollment of 2,000 students are NCAA athletes. This unusually high percentage of NCAA athletes is due to Williams playing a total of 32 NCAA sports

https://xfactoradmissions.com/basic-guide-to-college-admissions/total-ncaa-athletes-at-the-top-colleges

32 sports for 2000 students. Sheesh.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:40% and upwards? Doubt it. Link your source.

I am on the side of athletes and recruiting, but the numbers are undeniable.

At Williams College, for example, 42% of the total enrollment of 2,000 students are NCAA athletes. This unusually high percentage of NCAA athletes is due to Williams playing a total of 32 NCAA sports

https://xfactoradmissions.com/basic-guide-to-college-admissions/total-ncaa-athletes-at-the-top-colleges

Xfactoradmissions? Really. I’d rather hear it directly from the college itself. https://communications.williams.edu/media-relations/fast-facts/#:~:text=one%20extracurricular%20activity.-,Athletics,%25%20at%20the%20varsity%20level).

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43% at Bowdoin

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:40% and upwards? Doubt it. Link your source.

I am on the side of athletes and recruiting, but the numbers are undeniable.

At Williams College, for example, 42% of the total enrollment of 2,000 students are NCAA athletes. This unusually high percentage of NCAA athletes is due to Williams playing a total of 32 NCAA sports

https://xfactoradmissions.com/basic-guide-to-college-admissions/total-ncaa-athletes-at-the-top-colleges

Xfactoradmissions? Really. I’d rather hear it directly from the college itself. https://communications.williams.edu/media-relations/fast-facts/#:~:text=one%20extracurricular%20activity.-,Athletics,%25%20at%20the%20varsity%20level).

kids drop out of athletics. freshman year that number is at 45% or higher.. by senior year (or kids there in the 5th or 6th year), it's about 20%

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:40% and upwards? Doubt it. Link your source.

I am on the side of athletes and recruiting, but the numbers are undeniable.

At Williams College, for example, 42% of the total enrollment of 2,000 students are NCAA athletes. This unusually high percentage of NCAA athletes is due to Williams playing a total of 32 NCAA sports

https://xfactoradmissions.com/basic-guide-to-college-admissions/total-ncaa-athletes-at-the-top-colleges

Xfactoradmissions? Really. I’d rather hear it directly from the college itself. https://communications.williams.edu/media-relations/fast-facts/#:~:text=one%20extracurricular%20activity.-,Athletics,%25%20at%20the%20varsity%20level).

You think the difference between 35, 40 and 42, especially given the use of the word "approximately" in your link, makes a substantive difference in the point that it is a large percentage?

Yes, 40 is more than "approximately 35". No reason to be pedantic about the fact when the effect is the same and the numbers vary by school and from year to year and the data sources vary also. No one provides an exact count.

And I am pro athletic recruiting, BTW.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the problem? How else are they supposed to field their teams?

Yeah, Right! They have to field their teams. Because their paramount mission and the reason they exist is to promote sports teams. NOT to educate. NOT to be fair in admissions decisions.
Who wants strivers who study hard and master subjects when they can admit happy go lucky rich kids whose parents put them through expensive sports from the time the kids are toddlers. Mind you, don’t ever call sports recruits strivers in sports!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think much weight should be put on athletics in admissions - definitely not as much as it gets. But it's nowhere close to 40%. The Post article says 13-36 percent of students at LACs were varsity athletes. Only some of those were recruited, and many of the recruited athletes would have been admitted anyway. I was officially a varsity athlete at a top LAC, but as a bench-warmer on a minor team. It certainly didn't help my application much, if at all. I knew a few students who were varsity athletes in a sport they didn't even play in high school.

williams, Amherst over 40%. Bowdoin over 45%. the top SLACs are super high %

The cited Post article says Williams 36, Amherst 32, Bowdoin 36. Yes, still very high, but a bit lower. And that's total varsity, not recruits.

+1 and not all varsity athletes are recruited