Transfer from TJ to Base HS?

[Anonymous]

Your child earned a B. That is a good grade. Chill out and let him choose his school. He will attend a good college even if he earns all Bs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP. I am not in the know about TJ so I'm reading these posts and wondering what the truth is. I assumed that prior to recent changes the top performers are admitted from the pool of applicants? Is that a naive assumption? What is the earlier poster talking about when they say a random probability out of X? And what do you mean when you say TJ doesn't aim to admit the top performing/advanced students? I'm thoroughly confused.

The admissions process aims to allocate seats based on students' race, using an arbitrary non-merit process for final selection within the race category.

Initially, all applicants are grouped according to their racial backgrounds. Within each racial group, since most applicants have similar GPAs, the selection process primarily relies on the applicant's personal essay. There is no evidence of this essay getting scored, nothing is disclosed about how this essay proves students advanced academic abilities. There isn't a standardized test to assess an applicant's proficiency in math, reading, and science. Consequently, an applicant's likelihood of being admitted becomes subject to somewhat arbitrary probability, based on the predetermined seat allocation for each racial group and the number of applicants within each group.

For instance, there were 160 African American applicants, and 37 of them were admitted. But were they the most qualified in STEM subjects? No one knows because the test that evaluated students' in-depth knowledge of math, reading, and science was removed. Using the principles of probability theory, even a highly qualified African American applicant had only a random chance of 37 out of 160, roughly a 1/4 chance of being selected. This probability also applied to mediocre African American students and even less qualified African American students. This means that all three calibers of African American students are being admitted. It's not until their freshman year grades that the mediocre and less qualified students may realize they cannot handle the rigor of TJ.

In essence, two problems exist here. First, they're admitting students who aren't prepared for high-rigor TJ classes, which isn't fair to them. Second, they eliminated a STEM test, so smart African American students can't demonstrate their proficiency in advanced subjects like math, reading, and science, which is also unfair.

This unfair treatment applies to all student race groups, including latino, asian american, whites, etc. The stem exam was eliminated to limit the number of asian american students, but now students of all races are paying the price.

+1

Agree 100%. This is so obvious. Experience factors, eliminating teacher recommendation letters, etc. all are driven to balance the student body by race by increasing randomness into the process.

Parent of a child who did not get in the freshmen year and got in the sophomore year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP. I am not in the know about TJ so I'm reading these posts and wondering what the truth is. I assumed that prior to recent changes the top performers are admitted from the pool of applicants? Is that a naive assumption? What is the earlier poster talking about when they say a random probability out of X? And what do you mean when you say TJ doesn't aim to admit the top performing/advanced students? I'm thoroughly confused.

The admissions process aims to allocate seats based on students' race, using an arbitrary non-merit process for final selection within the race category.

Initially, all applicants are grouped according to their racial backgrounds. Within each racial group, since most applicants have similar GPAs, the selection process primarily relies on the applicant's personal essay. There is no evidence of this essay getting scored, nothing is disclosed about how this essay proves students advanced academic abilities. There isn't a standardized test to assess an applicant's proficiency in math, reading, and science. Consequently, an applicant's likelihood of being admitted becomes subject to somewhat arbitrary probability, based on the predetermined seat allocation for each racial group and the number of applicants within each group.

For instance, there were 160 African American applicants, and 37 of them were admitted. But were they the most qualified in STEM subjects? No one knows because the test that evaluated students' in-depth knowledge of math, reading, and science was removed. Using the principles of probability theory, even a highly qualified African American applicant had only a random chance of 37 out of 160, roughly a 1/4 chance of being selected. This probability also applied to mediocre African American students and even less qualified African American students. This means that all three calibers of African American students are being admitted. It's not until their freshman year grades that the mediocre and less qualified students may realize they cannot handle the rigor of TJ.

In essence, two problems exist here. First, they're admitting students who aren't prepared for high-rigor TJ classes, which isn't fair to them. Second, they eliminated a STEM test, so smart African American students can't demonstrate their proficiency in advanced subjects like math, reading, and science, which is also unfair.

This unfair treatment applies to all student race groups, including latino, asian american, whites, etc. The stem exam was eliminated to limit the number of asian american students, but now students of all races are paying the price.

What makes a personal essay competitive for TJ? I assume every student would want to talk about their past accomplishments. What would be the differentiator? are there any restrictions on what can or cannot be mentioned?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP. I am not in the know about TJ so I'm reading these posts and wondering what the truth is. I assumed that prior to recent changes the top performers are admitted from the pool of applicants? Is that a naive assumption? What is the earlier poster talking about when they say a random probability out of X? And what do you mean when you say TJ doesn't aim to admit the top performing/advanced students? I'm thoroughly confused.

The admissions process aims to allocate seats based on students' race, using an arbitrary non-merit process for final selection within the race category.

Initially, all applicants are grouped according to their racial backgrounds. Within each racial group, since most applicants have similar GPAs, the selection process primarily relies on the applicant's personal essay. There is no evidence of this essay getting scored, nothing is disclosed about how this essay proves students advanced academic abilities. There isn't a standardized test to assess an applicant's proficiency in math, reading, and science. Consequently, an applicant's likelihood of being admitted becomes subject to somewhat arbitrary probability, based on the predetermined seat allocation for each racial group and the number of applicants within each group.

For instance, there were 160 African American applicants, and 37 of them were admitted. But were they the most qualified in STEM subjects? No one knows because the test that evaluated students' in-depth knowledge of math, reading, and science was removed. Using the principles of probability theory, even a highly qualified African American applicant had only a random chance of 37 out of 160, roughly a 1/4 chance of being selected. This probability also applied to mediocre African American students and even less qualified African American students. This means that all three calibers of African American students are being admitted. It's not until their freshman year grades that the mediocre and less qualified students may realize they cannot handle the rigor of TJ.

In essence, two problems exist here. First, they're admitting students who aren't prepared for high-rigor TJ classes, which isn't fair to them. Second, they eliminated a STEM test, so smart African American students can't demonstrate their proficiency in advanced subjects like math, reading, and science, which is also unfair.

This unfair treatment applies to all student race groups, including latino, asian american, whites, etc. The stem exam was eliminated to limit the number of asian american students, but now students of all races are paying the price.

+1

Agree 100%. This is so obvious. Experience factors, eliminating teacher recommendation letters, etc. all are driven to balance the student body by race by increasing randomness into the process.

Parent of a child who did not get in the freshmen year and got in the sophomore year.

You are plus one-ing a fantasy. That post is from an alternate universe. Or trolling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP. I am not in the know about TJ so I'm reading these posts and wondering what the truth is. I assumed that prior to recent changes the top performers are admitted from the pool of applicants? Is that a naive assumption? What is the earlier poster talking about when they say a random probability out of X? And what do you mean when you say TJ doesn't aim to admit the top performing/advanced students? I'm thoroughly confused.

The admissions process aims to allocate seats based on students' race, using an arbitrary non-merit process for final selection within the race category.

Initially, all applicants are grouped according to their racial backgrounds. Within each racial group, since most applicants have similar GPAs, the selection process primarily relies on the applicant's personal essay. There is no evidence of this essay getting scored, nothing is disclosed about how this essay proves students advanced academic abilities. There isn't a standardized test to assess an applicant's proficiency in math, reading, and science. Consequently, an applicant's likelihood of being admitted becomes subject to somewhat arbitrary probability, based on the predetermined seat allocation for each racial group and the number of applicants within each group.

For instance, there were 160 African American applicants, and 37 of them were admitted. But were they the most qualified in STEM subjects? No one knows because the test that evaluated students' in-depth knowledge of math, reading, and science was removed. Using the principles of probability theory, even a highly qualified African American applicant had only a random chance of 37 out of 160, roughly a 1/4 chance of being selected. This probability also applied to mediocre African American students and even less qualified African American students. This means that all three calibers of African American students are being admitted. It's not until their freshman year grades that the mediocre and less qualified students may realize they cannot handle the rigor of TJ.

In essence, two problems exist here. First, they're admitting students who aren't prepared for high-rigor TJ classes, which isn't fair to them. Second, they eliminated a STEM test, so smart African American students can't demonstrate their proficiency in advanced subjects like math, reading, and science, which is also unfair.

This unfair treatment applies to all student race groups, including latino, asian american, whites, etc. The stem exam was eliminated to limit the number of asian american students, but now students of all races are paying the price.

+1

Agree 100%. This is so obvious. Experience factors, eliminating teacher recommendation letters, etc. all are driven to balance the student body by race by increasing randomness into the process.

Parent of a child who did not get in the freshmen year and got in the sophomore year.

Targeting hardworking Asian Americans by authoritative entities is not a new phenomenon. The FCPS board's actions against Asian American students bear similarities to what happened to Chinese immigrants running laundries in San Francisco in 1880. At that time, an ordinance made it illegal to operate a laundry in a wooden building without a permit from the Board of Supervisors. The Board kept reiterating the law was never meant to target Chinese immigrants, when majority of city's laundries in wooden buildings were owned by Chinese individuals.

Back then Supreme Court had to declare that while the law wasn't discriminatory, it had been applied with "an evil eye and an unequal hand" in singling out Asian American laundry business owners.

Same here, FCPS board removed the objective STEM test to reduce the strength of Asian American students representation from historical 72% of the admissions to 53% in just one admissions cycle. Now we wait for Supreme Court to decide on this suppression.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP. I am not in the know about TJ so I'm reading these posts and wondering what the truth is. I assumed that prior to recent changes the top performers are admitted from the pool of applicants? Is that a naive assumption? What is the earlier poster talking about when they say a random probability out of X? And what do you mean when you say TJ doesn't aim to admit the top performing/advanced students? I'm thoroughly confused.

The admissions process aims to allocate seats based on students' race, using an arbitrary non-merit process for final selection within the race category.

Initially, all applicants are grouped according to their racial backgrounds. Within each racial group, since most applicants have similar GPAs, the selection process primarily relies on the applicant's personal essay. There is no evidence of this essay getting scored, nothing is disclosed about how this essay proves students advanced academic abilities. There isn't a standardized test to assess an applicant's proficiency in math, reading, and science. Consequently, an applicant's likelihood of being admitted becomes subject to somewhat arbitrary probability, based on the predetermined seat allocation for each racial group and the number of applicants within each group.

For instance, there were 160 African American applicants, and 37 of them were admitted. But were they the most qualified in STEM subjects? No one knows because the test that evaluated students' in-depth knowledge of math, reading, and science was removed. Using the principles of probability theory, even a highly qualified African American applicant had only a random chance of 37 out of 160, roughly a 1/4 chance of being selected. This probability also applied to mediocre African American students and even less qualified African American students. This means that all three calibers of African American students are being admitted. It's not until their freshman year grades that the mediocre and less qualified students may realize they cannot handle the rigor of TJ.

In essence, two problems exist here. First, they're admitting students who aren't prepared for high-rigor TJ classes, which isn't fair to them. Second, they eliminated a STEM test, so smart African American students can't demonstrate their proficiency in advanced subjects like math, reading, and science, which is also unfair.

This unfair treatment applies to all student race groups, including latino, asian american, whites, etc. The stem exam was eliminated to limit the number of asian american students, but now students of all races are paying the price.

+1

Agree 100%. This is so obvious. Experience factors, eliminating teacher recommendation letters, etc. all are driven to balance the student body by race by increasing randomness into the process.

Parent of a child who did not get in the freshmen year and got in the sophomore year.

Targeting hardworking Asian Americans by authoritative entities is not a new phenomenon. The FCPS board's actions against Asian American students bear similarities to what happened to Chinese immigrants running laundries in San Francisco in 1880. At that time, an ordinance made it illegal to operate a laundry in a wooden building without a permit from the Board of Supervisors. The Board kept reiterating the law was never meant to target Chinese immigrants, when majority of city's laundries in wooden buildings were owned by Chinese individuals.

Back then Supreme Court had to declare that while the law wasn't discriminatory, it had been applied with "an evil eye and an unequal hand" in singling out Asian American laundry business owners.

Same here, FCPS board removed the objective STEM test to reduce the strength of Asian American students representation from historical 72% of the admissions to 53% in just one admissions cycle. Now we wait for Supreme Court to decide on this suppression.

Let's hope the more conservative Supreme Court will judge fairly this time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP. I am not in the know about TJ so I'm reading these posts and wondering what the truth is. I assumed that prior to recent changes the top performers are admitted from the pool of applicants? Is that a naive assumption? What is the earlier poster talking about when they say a random probability out of X? And what do you mean when you say TJ doesn't aim to admit the top performing/advanced students? I'm thoroughly confused.

The admissions process aims to allocate seats based on students' race, using an arbitrary non-merit process for final selection within the race category.

Initially, all applicants are grouped according to their racial backgrounds. Within each racial group, since most applicants have similar GPAs, the selection process primarily relies on the applicant's personal essay. There is no evidence of this essay getting scored, nothing is disclosed about how this essay proves students advanced academic abilities. There isn't a standardized test to assess an applicant's proficiency in math, reading, and science. Consequently, an applicant's likelihood of being admitted becomes subject to somewhat arbitrary probability, based on the predetermined seat allocation for each racial group and the number of applicants within each group.

For instance, there were 160 African American applicants, and 37 of them were admitted. But were they the most qualified in STEM subjects? No one knows because the test that evaluated students' in-depth knowledge of math, reading, and science was removed. Using the principles of probability theory, even a highly qualified African American applicant had only a random chance of 37 out of 160, roughly a 1/4 chance of being selected. This probability also applied to mediocre African American students and even less qualified African American students. This means that all three calibers of African American students are being admitted. It's not until their freshman year grades that the mediocre and less qualified students may realize they cannot handle the rigor of TJ.

In essence, two problems exist here. First, they're admitting students who aren't prepared for high-rigor TJ classes, which isn't fair to them. Second, they eliminated a STEM test, so smart African American students can't demonstrate their proficiency in advanced subjects like math, reading, and science, which is also unfair.

This unfair treatment applies to all student race groups, including latino, asian american, whites, etc. The stem exam was eliminated to limit the number of asian american students, but now students of all races are paying the price.

+1

Agree 100%. This is so obvious. Experience factors, eliminating teacher recommendation letters, etc. all are driven to balance the student body by race by increasing randomness into the process.

Parent of a child who did not get in the freshmen year and got in the sophomore year.

Targeting hardworking Asian Americans by authoritative entities is not a new phenomenon. The FCPS board's actions against Asian American students bear similarities to what happened to Chinese immigrants running laundries in San Francisco in 1880. At that time, an ordinance made it illegal to operate a laundry in a wooden building without a permit from the Board of Supervisors. The Board kept reiterating the law was never meant to target Chinese immigrants, when majority of city's laundries in wooden buildings were owned by Chinese individuals.

Back then Supreme Court had to declare that while the law wasn't discriminatory, it had been applied with "an evil eye and an unequal hand" in singling out Asian American laundry business owners.

Same here, FCPS board removed the objective STEM test to reduce the strength of Asian American students representation from historical 72% of the admissions to 53% in just one admissions cycle. Now we wait for Supreme Court to decide on this suppression.

Let's hope the more conservative Supreme Court will judge fairly this time.

Bhahahahahahahahahaha! You made a super funny joke here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP. I am not in the know about TJ so I'm reading these posts and wondering what the truth is. I assumed that prior to recent changes the top performers are admitted from the pool of applicants? Is that a naive assumption? What is the earlier poster talking about when they say a random probability out of X? And what do you mean when you say TJ doesn't aim to admit the top performing/advanced students? I'm thoroughly confused.

The admissions process aims to allocate seats based on students' race, using an arbitrary non-merit process for final selection within the race category.

Initially, all applicants are grouped according to their racial backgrounds. Within each racial group, since most applicants have similar GPAs, the selection process primarily relies on the applicant's personal essay. There is no evidence of this essay getting scored, nothing is disclosed about how this essay proves students advanced academic abilities. There isn't a standardized test to assess an applicant's proficiency in math, reading, and science. Consequently, an applicant's likelihood of being admitted becomes subject to somewhat arbitrary probability, based on the predetermined seat allocation for each racial group and the number of applicants within each group.

For instance, there were 160 African American applicants, and 37 of them were admitted. But were they the most qualified in STEM subjects? No one knows because the test that evaluated students' in-depth knowledge of math, reading, and science was removed. Using the principles of probability theory, even a highly qualified African American applicant had only a random chance of 37 out of 160, roughly a 1/4 chance of being selected. This probability also applied to mediocre African American students and even less qualified African American students. This means that all three calibers of African American students are being admitted. It's not until their freshman year grades that the mediocre and less qualified students may realize they cannot handle the rigor of TJ.

In essence, two problems exist here. First, they're admitting students who aren't prepared for high-rigor TJ classes, which isn't fair to them. Second, they eliminated a STEM test, so smart African American students can't demonstrate their proficiency in advanced subjects like math, reading, and science, which is also unfair.

This unfair treatment applies to all student race groups, including latino, asian american, whites, etc. The stem exam was eliminated to limit the number of asian american students, but now students of all races are paying the price.

+1

Agree 100%. This is so obvious. Experience factors, eliminating teacher recommendation letters, etc. all are driven to balance the student body by race by increasing randomness into the process.

Parent of a child who did not get in the freshmen year and got in the sophomore year.

Targeting hardworking Asian Americans by authoritative entities is not a new phenomenon. The FCPS board's actions against Asian American students bear similarities to what happened to Chinese immigrants running laundries in San Francisco in 1880. At that time, an ordinance made it illegal to operate a laundry in a wooden building without a permit from the Board of Supervisors. The Board kept reiterating the law was never meant to target Chinese immigrants, when majority of city's laundries in wooden buildings were owned by Chinese individuals.

Back then Supreme Court had to declare that while the law wasn't discriminatory, it had been applied with "an evil eye and an unequal hand" in singling out Asian American laundry business owners.

Same here, FCPS board removed the objective STEM test to reduce the strength of Asian American students representation from historical 72% of the admissions to 53% in just one admissions cycle. Now we wait for Supreme Court to decide on this suppression.

Let's hope the more conservative Supreme Court will judge fairly this time.

Bhahahahahahahahahaha! You made a super funny joke here.

What do you mean? They did pretty good so far.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP. I am not in the know about TJ so I'm reading these posts and wondering what the truth is. I assumed that prior to recent changes the top performers are admitted from the pool of applicants? Is that a naive assumption? What is the earlier poster talking about when they say a random probability out of X? And what do you mean when you say TJ doesn't aim to admit the top performing/advanced students? I'm thoroughly confused.

The admissions process aims to allocate seats based on students' race, using an arbitrary non-merit process for final selection within the race category.

Initially, all applicants are grouped according to their racial backgrounds. Within each racial group, since most applicants have similar GPAs, the selection process primarily relies on the applicant's personal essay. There is no evidence of this essay getting scored, nothing is disclosed about how this essay proves students advanced academic abilities. There isn't a standardized test to assess an applicant's proficiency in math, reading, and science. Consequently, an applicant's likelihood of being admitted becomes subject to somewhat arbitrary probability, based on the predetermined seat allocation for each racial group and the number of applicants within each group.

For instance, there were 160 African American applicants, and 37 of them were admitted. But were they the most qualified in STEM subjects? No one knows because the test that evaluated students' in-depth knowledge of math, reading, and science was removed. Using the principles of probability theory, even a highly qualified African American applicant had only a random chance of 37 out of 160, roughly a 1/4 chance of being selected. This probability also applied to mediocre African American students and even less qualified African American students. This means that all three calibers of African American students are being admitted. It's not until their freshman year grades that the mediocre and less qualified students may realize they cannot handle the rigor of TJ.

In essence, two problems exist here. First, they're admitting students who aren't prepared for high-rigor TJ classes, which isn't fair to them. Second, they eliminated a STEM test, so smart African American students can't demonstrate their proficiency in advanced subjects like math, reading, and science, which is also unfair.

This unfair treatment applies to all student race groups, including latino, asian american, whites, etc. The stem exam was eliminated to limit the number of asian american students, but now students of all races are paying the price.

How can they overlook the fact that the non-merit-based admissions process they claim is designed to assist underrepresented groups is also causing adverse effects on those very groups? Does TJ publish how many drop out each year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS is a sophomore at TJ and we are encouraging him to move back to base school. His grades in Freshman year were ok ( 2 B+'s and rest A's) but this year he is struggling. e.g. He is getting a B in Chemistry even after spending quite a bit of time on it ( and he tells me many of his classmates are doing worse than him).

Even though he is enjoying the overall TJ atmosphere and the learning opportunities, the overall the ratio of grades to effort is too small and not appear to be worth it. He has limited time for sports etc.

Maybe TJ is not for him? So we were thinking of moving back to base school while his grades ( and confidence) are good. Base HS is pretty good and has most of the courses he was planning to take

Any advice from parents who might have been in this situation? How will this look on the college applications?

Your student is not alone, and it is not his doing specifically and not yours either. This is the result of admitting students on a linguistic essay instead of using a rigorous math & science based STEM entrance criteria. Most students applying have a near 3.94 or 4.0 GPA, but there is objective measure who is getting admitted and who is excluded.

To better understand the issue, let's narrow our discussion to Asian American students. Out of 1580 Asian American applicants, 330 were admitted in 2027. There is no way to determine and state that all the 330 admitted are the top performing and advanced in math & science among that their racial pool. An Asian American student's admission is based on a random probability of 330 out of 1580, which is 1/5. Consequently, the 330 admitted Asian American students encompass a diverse range of academic proficiency levels, with 110 being at an A level, 110 at a B level, and the remaining 110 at a C level, when evaluated relative to a true STEM-based advanced math and science test.

Currently there is no way for an Asian American parent or any other race parent to know if their child's admission is based on the A, B, or C level of relative proficiency, UNTIL they enter TJ and find out through their freshman year grades, which is what you are noticing. You and your son NOW know that his middle school readiness and first year performance places him in the middle 1/3rd of the class. He is not alone, but he has a lot of work to do to get into the top 1/3rd of his class.

"Interesting" view. There's a word for people like you who bring race into every discussion: you're racists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP. I am not in the know about TJ so I'm reading these posts and wondering what the truth is. I assumed that prior to recent changes the top performers are admitted from the pool of applicants? Is that a naive assumption? What is the earlier poster talking about when they say a random probability out of X? And what do you mean when you say TJ doesn't aim to admit the top performing/advanced students? I'm thoroughly confused.

The admissions process aims to allocate seats based on students' race, using an arbitrary non-merit process for final selection within the race category.

Initially, all applicants are grouped according to their racial backgrounds. Within each racial group, since most applicants have similar GPAs, the selection process primarily relies on the applicant's personal essay. There is no evidence of this essay getting scored, nothing is disclosed about how this essay proves students advanced academic abilities. There isn't a standardized test to assess an applicant's proficiency in math, reading, and science. Consequently, an applicant's likelihood of being admitted becomes subject to somewhat arbitrary probability, based on the predetermined seat allocation for each racial group and the number of applicants within each group.

For instance, there were 160 African American applicants, and 37 of them were admitted. But were they the most qualified in STEM subjects? No one knows because the test that evaluated students' in-depth knowledge of math, reading, and science was removed. Using the principles of probability theory, even a highly qualified African American applicant had only a random chance of 37 out of 160, roughly a 1/4 chance of being selected. This probability also applied to mediocre African American students and even less qualified African American students. This means that all three calibers of African American students are being admitted. It's not until their freshman year grades that the mediocre and less qualified students may realize they cannot handle the rigor of TJ.

In essence, two problems exist here. First, they're admitting students who aren't prepared for high-rigor TJ classes, which isn't fair to them. Second, they eliminated a STEM test, so smart African American students can't demonstrate their proficiency in advanced subjects like math, reading, and science, which is also unfair.

This unfair treatment applies to all student race groups, including latino, asian american, whites, etc. The stem exam was eliminated to limit the number of asian american students, but now students of all races are paying the price.

PP who this was in response to, know that the above is complete garbage and has absolutely no basis in reality. The students are not grouped by race at any point in the process.

PP here. I am so confused about why there are such wildly different claims about the admissions process. Is the information not public?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP. I am not in the know about TJ so I'm reading these posts and wondering what the truth is. I assumed that prior to recent changes the top performers are admitted from the pool of applicants? Is that a naive assumption? What is the earlier poster talking about when they say a random probability out of X? And what do you mean when you say TJ doesn't aim to admit the top performing/advanced students? I'm thoroughly confused.

The admissions process aims to allocate seats based on students' race, using an arbitrary non-merit process for final selection within the race category.

Initially, all applicants are grouped according to their racial backgrounds. Within each racial group, since most applicants have similar GPAs, the selection process primarily relies on the applicant's personal essay. There is no evidence of this essay getting scored, nothing is disclosed about how this essay proves students advanced academic abilities. There isn't a standardized test to assess an applicant's proficiency in math, reading, and science. Consequently, an applicant's likelihood of being admitted becomes subject to somewhat arbitrary probability, based on the predetermined seat allocation for each racial group and the number of applicants within each group.

For instance, there were 160 African American applicants, and 37 of them were admitted. But were they the most qualified in STEM subjects? No one knows because the test that evaluated students' in-depth knowledge of math, reading, and science was removed. Using the principles of probability theory, even a highly qualified African American applicant had only a random chance of 37 out of 160, roughly a 1/4 chance of being selected. This probability also applied to mediocre African American students and even less qualified African American students. This means that all three calibers of African American students are being admitted. It's not until their freshman year grades that the mediocre and less qualified students may realize they cannot handle the rigor of TJ.

In essence, two problems exist here. First, they're admitting students who aren't prepared for high-rigor TJ classes, which isn't fair to them. Second, they eliminated a STEM test, so smart African American students can't demonstrate their proficiency in advanced subjects like math, reading, and science, which is also unfair.

This unfair treatment applies to all student race groups, including latino, asian american, whites, etc. The stem exam was eliminated to limit the number of asian american students, but now students of all races are paying the price.

PP who this was in response to, know that the above is complete garbage and has absolutely no basis in reality. The students are not grouped by race at any point in the process.

PP here. I am so confused about why there are such wildly different claims about the admissions process. Is the information not public?

It is public. But people believe that what is public is somehow incorrect because they need to support their “oppressed Asian kids” narrative with nutty conspiracy theories.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP. I am not in the know about TJ so I'm reading these posts and wondering what the truth is. I assumed that prior to recent changes the top performers are admitted from the pool of applicants? Is that a naive assumption? What is the earlier poster talking about when they say a random probability out of X? And what do you mean when you say TJ doesn't aim to admit the top performing/advanced students? I'm thoroughly confused.

The admissions process aims to allocate seats based on students' race, using an arbitrary non-merit process for final selection within the race category.

Initially, all applicants are grouped according to their racial backgrounds. Within each racial group, since most applicants have similar GPAs, the selection process primarily relies on the applicant's personal essay. There is no evidence of this essay getting scored, nothing is disclosed about how this essay proves students advanced academic abilities. There isn't a standardized test to assess an applicant's proficiency in math, reading, and science. Consequently, an applicant's likelihood of being admitted becomes subject to somewhat arbitrary probability, based on the predetermined seat allocation for each racial group and the number of applicants within each group.

For instance, there were 160 African American applicants, and 37 of them were admitted. But were they the most qualified in STEM subjects? No one knows because the test that evaluated students' in-depth knowledge of math, reading, and science was removed. Using the principles of probability theory, even a highly qualified African American applicant had only a random chance of 37 out of 160, roughly a 1/4 chance of being selected. This probability also applied to mediocre African American students and even less qualified African American students. This means that all three calibers of African American students are being admitted. It's not until their freshman year grades that the mediocre and less qualified students may realize they cannot handle the rigor of TJ.

In essence, two problems exist here. First, they're admitting students who aren't prepared for high-rigor TJ classes, which isn't fair to them. Second, they eliminated a STEM test, so smart African American students can't demonstrate their proficiency in advanced subjects like math, reading, and science, which is also unfair.

This unfair treatment applies to all student race groups, including latino, asian american, whites, etc. The stem exam was eliminated to limit the number of asian american students, but now students of all races are paying the price.

PP who this was in response to, know that the above is complete garbage and has absolutely no basis in reality. The students are not grouped by race at any point in the process.

PP here. I am so confused about why there are such wildly different claims about the admissions process. Is the information not public?

It is public. But people believe that what is public is somehow incorrect because they need to support their “oppressed Asian kids” narrative with nutty conspiracy theories.

It seems like you've experienced some really difficult situations if you have such strong negative feelings towards Asian Americans.

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NP. I am not in the know about TJ so I'm reading these posts and wondering what the truth is. I assumed that prior to recent changes the top performers are admitted from the pool of applicants? Is that a naive assumption? What is the earlier poster talking about when they say a random probability out of X? And what do you mean when you say TJ doesn't aim to admit the top performing/advanced students? I'm thoroughly confused.

The admissions process aims to allocate seats based on students' race, using an arbitrary non-merit process for final selection within the race category.

Initially, all applicants are grouped according to their racial backgrounds. Within each racial group, since most applicants have similar GPAs, the selection process primarily relies on the applicant's personal essay. There is no evidence of this essay getting scored, nothing is disclosed about how this essay proves students advanced academic abilities. There isn't a standardized test to assess an applicant's proficiency in math, reading, and science. Consequently, an applicant's likelihood of being admitted becomes subject to somewhat arbitrary probability, based on the predetermined seat allocation for each racial group and the number of applicants within each group.

For instance, there were 160 African American applicants, and 37 of them were admitted. But were they the most qualified in STEM subjects? No one knows because the test that evaluated students' in-depth knowledge of math, reading, and science was removed. Using the principles of probability theory, even a highly qualified African American applicant had only a random chance of 37 out of 160, roughly a 1/4 chance of being selected. This probability also applied to mediocre African American students and even less qualified African American students. This means that all three calibers of African American students are being admitted. It's not until their freshman year grades that the mediocre and less qualified students may realize they cannot handle the rigor of TJ.

In essence, two problems exist here. First, they're admitting students who aren't prepared for high-rigor TJ classes, which isn't fair to them. Second, they eliminated a STEM test, so smart African American students can't demonstrate their proficiency in advanced subjects like math, reading, and science, which is also unfair.

This unfair treatment applies to all student race groups, including latino, asian american, whites, etc. The stem exam was eliminated to limit the number of asian american students, but now students of all races are paying the price.

PP who this was in response to, know that the above is complete garbage and has absolutely no basis in reality. The students are not grouped by race at any point in the process.

PP here. I am so confused about why there are such wildly different claims about the admissions process. Is the information not public?

It is public. But people believe that what is public is somehow incorrect because they need to support their “oppressed Asian kids” narrative with nutty conspiracy theories.

It seems like you've experienced some really difficult situations if you have such strong negative feelings towards Asian Americans.

There is a lot of daylight between “Asian Americans” as a group and “the specific group of well-off and well-funded activists who are using this situation for their personal profit”.

I have no issue with the former, but tremendous issues with the latter. And a good chunk of the latter are not Asian American.

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DD said she heard the average on the chem test was 80 so seems like your kid is on par.