Finreg or best paying federal agencies?

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Anonymous wrote:My husband is a GS 15 and works overseas. Last year he made $246K due to all the OT. You may want to consider that path.

Interesting. My agency allows overtime as credit hours, so while I can bank the time, it does not pay out.

My past agency allowed both but under differing circumstances. OT was generally only scheduled weekend maintenance work after we had hit 40 hours for the week and had to be pre-cleared and pre-approved; I think OT pays out at time and a half? Typically was things like "datacenter power down". Credit hours we could accrue up to 24 hours, we had to link it to specific work/tasks, and was how I managed to take any vacations in the first couple of years. I haven't really played the credit hour game after hitting 6 hours per pp of annual leave.

[Anonymous]

OP- I was an administrative manager in a GS job that moved to the SEC. I took a grade cut but got a substantial raise. I now make $ 50K more than my spouse who is a GS15/step10. That is before the other SEC only benefits. 200 people applied for my position and they interviewed over 10 people. These are very desirable positions. I am very grateful

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CISA to get cyber pay

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP- I was an administrative manager in a GS job that moved to the SEC. I took a grade cut but got a substantial raise. I now make $ 50K more than my spouse who is a GS15/step10. That is before the other SEC only benefits. 200 people applied for my position and they interviewed over 10 people. These are very desirable positions. I am very grateful

And this is the problem with most finregs. Finregs get outsize pay for the complexity of the work done by those on the line (ie attorneys, economists, etc). Yet everyone gets the outsize pay, including those that have completely fungible jobs across the government, like admins. They should be on a separate, lower pay scale. It may be an unpopular opinion, but it's the truth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP- I was an administrative manager in a GS job that moved to the SEC. I took a grade cut but got a substantial raise. I now make $ 50K more than my spouse who is a GS15/step10. That is before the other SEC only benefits. 200 people applied for my position and they interviewed over 10 people. These are very desirable positions. I am very grateful

And this is the problem with most finregs. Finregs get outsize pay for the complexity of the work done by those on the line (ie attorneys, economists, etc). Yet everyone gets the outsize pay, including those that have completely fungible jobs across the government, like admins. They should be on a separate, lower pay scale. It may be an unpopular opinion, but it's the truth.

people with lower-skilled fungible jobs have positions at lower grades; the payscale doesn't matter. You sound like someone who has applied for many finreg jobs and didn't make the cut. In contrast, the PP you responded to sounds like a competent, humble colleague who likely contributes significantly to her agency.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP- I was an administrative manager in a GS job that moved to the SEC. I took a grade cut but got a substantial raise. I now make $ 50K more than my spouse who is a GS15/step10. That is before the other SEC only benefits. 200 people applied for my position and they interviewed over 10 people. These are very desirable positions. I am very grateful

And this is the problem with most finregs. Finregs get outsize pay for the complexity of the work done by those on the line (ie attorneys, economists, etc). Yet everyone gets the outsize pay, including those that have completely fungible jobs across the government, like admins. They should be on a separate, lower pay scale. It may be an unpopular opinion, but it's the truth.

Why?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP- I was an administrative manager in a GS job that moved to the SEC. I took a grade cut but got a substantial raise. I now make $ 50K more than my spouse who is a GS15/step10. That is before the other SEC only benefits. 200 people applied for my position and they interviewed over 10 people. These are very desirable positions. I am very grateful

And this is the problem with most finregs. Finregs get outsize pay for the complexity of the work done by those on the line (ie attorneys, economists, etc). Yet everyone gets the outsize pay, including those that have completely fungible jobs across the government, like admins. They should be on a separate, lower pay scale. It may be an unpopular opinion, but it's the truth.

people with lower-skilled fungible jobs have positions at lower grades; the payscale doesn't matter. You sound like someone who has applied for many finreg jobs and didn't make the cut. In contrast, the PP you responded to sounds like a competent, humble colleague who likely contributes significantly to her agency.

You neither understand nor are able to do math.

First, I am at a fin reg and this is why I have strong feelings. I see wildly incompetent people that do not in any way contribute to mission making huge salaries.

Second, pp said they make 50k above A 15 step 10. A DC 15 step 10 is 183k. That means 233k for an "administrative manager." That's an admin.

The fact that they are graded lower (and to make 230ish at the SEC, they are an SK14 or above) is irrelevant if the end result is an admin making 230k plus per year.

You sound like you work in HR and desperately want to think you add value, but have a degree from Online U, and only got a job because you are "special".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CISA to get cyber pay

Won’t cyber pay go away once ctms is fully implemented?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP- I was an administrative manager in a GS job that moved to the SEC. I took a grade cut but got a substantial raise. I now make $ 50K more than my spouse who is a GS15/step10. That is before the other SEC only benefits. 200 people applied for my position and they interviewed over 10 people. These are very desirable positions. I am very grateful

And this is the problem with most finregs. Finregs get outsize pay for the complexity of the work done by those on the line (ie attorneys, economists, etc). Yet everyone gets the outsize pay, including those that have completely fungible jobs across the government, like admins. They should be on a separate, lower pay scale. It may be an unpopular opinion, but it's the truth.

people with lower-skilled fungible jobs have positions at lower grades; the payscale doesn't matter. You sound like someone who has applied for many finreg jobs and didn't make the cut. In contrast, the PP you responded to sounds like a competent, humble colleague who likely contributes significantly to her agency.

You neither understand nor are able to do math.

First, I am at a fin reg and this is why I have strong feelings. I see wildly incompetent people that do not in any way contribute to mission making huge salaries.

Second, pp said they make 50k above A 15 step 10. A DC 15 step 10 is 183k. That means 233k for an "administrative manager." That's an admin.

The fact that they are graded lower (and to make 230ish at the SEC, they are an SK14 or above) is irrelevant if the end result is an admin making 230k plus per year.

You sound like you work in HR and desperately want to think you add value, but have a degree from Online U, and only got a job because you are "special".

Not pp. The fact that you see wildly incompetent people suggests the hiring process is broken, not that the pay is too high. And do you not realize assistants to c level is private sector get paid handsomely for what is largely calendar scheduling and trip planning?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP- I was an administrative manager in a GS job that moved to the SEC. I took a grade cut but got a substantial raise. I now make $ 50K more than my spouse who is a GS15/step10. That is before the other SEC only benefits. 200 people applied for my position and they interviewed over 10 people. These are very desirable positions. I am very grateful

This sums it up well. OP may be an incredible budget analyst, but there are tons of budget analysts in the fed gov, and lots of them have their eyes set on a non-GS position. So OP should apply at every opportunity but should realize that getting one of those jobs may never happen because the competition is so stiff.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP- I was an administrative manager in a GS job that moved to the SEC. I took a grade cut but got a substantial raise. I now make $ 50K more than my spouse who is a GS15/step10. That is before the other SEC only benefits. 200 people applied for my position and they interviewed over 10 people. These are very desirable positions. I am very grateful

This sums it up well. OP may be an incredible budget analyst, but there are tons of budget analysts in the fed gov, and lots of them have their eyes set on a non-GS position. So OP should apply at every opportunity but should realize that getting one of those jobs may never happen because the competition is so stiff.

OP here I’m pretty proud of what I’ve learned and done so far and the place I’m at and I’ve always sought areas that are specialized and essential for agency mission, but I realize the competition is big. I’m just getting educated now, I set up some USAJobs alerts, saw a few mentors at these agencies so I reached out. I support the current pay system ha (pp at the fin reg just curious were you in private sector before like a big law? sounds kinda like that…)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP- I was an administrative manager in a GS job that moved to the SEC. I took a grade cut but got a substantial raise. I now make $ 50K more than my spouse who is a GS15/step10. That is before the other SEC only benefits. 200 people applied for my position and they interviewed over 10 people. These are very desirable positions. I am very grateful

And this is the problem with most finregs. Finregs get outsize pay for the complexity of the work done by those on the line (ie attorneys, economists, etc). Yet everyone gets the outsize pay, including those that have completely fungible jobs across the government, like admins. They should be on a separate, lower pay scale. It may be an unpopular opinion, but it's the truth.

I recently moved from a GS position to a finreg, and I have noticed a jump in the capability of admin-type people (HR, IT, office managers). Paying more draws better candidates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP- I was an administrative manager in a GS job that moved to the SEC. I took a grade cut but got a substantial raise. I now make $ 50K more than my spouse who is a GS15/step10. That is before the other SEC only benefits. 200 people applied for my position and they interviewed over 10 people. These are very desirable positions. I am very grateful

And this is the problem with most finregs. Finregs get outsize pay for the complexity of the work done by those on the line (ie attorneys, economists, etc). Yet everyone gets the outsize pay, including those that have completely fungible jobs across the government, like admins. They should be on a separate, lower pay scale. It may be an unpopular opinion, but it's the truth.

I recently moved from a GS position to a finreg, and I have noticed a jump in the capability of admin-type people (HR, IT, office managers). Paying more draws better candidates.

Doesn't change the fact that the function in and of itself is over compensated at the finregs.

Finregs pay more because the line staff must compete against the population they regulate. And frequently have job offers from the same. Those positions in private attract top talent, and pay multiples of what a finreg offers. Admin positions at finregs are overcompensated relative to their peers in private. Sorry, but that's incontrovertible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP- I was an administrative manager in a GS job that moved to the SEC. I took a grade cut but got a substantial raise. I now make $ 50K more than my spouse who is a GS15/step10. That is before the other SEC only benefits. 200 people applied for my position and they interviewed over 10 people. These are very desirable positions. I am very grateful

And this is the problem with most finregs. Finregs get outsize pay for the complexity of the work done by those on the line (ie attorneys, economists, etc). Yet everyone gets the outsize pay, including those that have completely fungible jobs across the government, like admins. They should be on a separate, lower pay scale. It may be an unpopular opinion, but it's the truth.

I recently moved from a GS position to a finreg, and I have noticed a jump in the capability of admin-type people (HR, IT, office managers). Paying more draws better candidates.

Doesn't change the fact that the function in and of itself is over compensated at the finregs.

Finregs pay more because the line staff must compete against the population they regulate. And frequently have job offers from the same. Those positions in private attract top talent, and pay multiples of what a finreg offers. Admin positions at finregs are overcompensated relative to their peers in private. Sorry, but that's incontrovertible.

Accepting your premise that they are overcompensated, who cares? The agencies can afford it, choose to do it (1 pay scale for morale and cohesion most likely), and they aren’t funded from Congress. Why does it make you mad?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP- I was an administrative manager in a GS job that moved to the SEC. I took a grade cut but got a substantial raise. I now make $ 50K more than my spouse who is a GS15/step10. That is before the other SEC only benefits. 200 people applied for my position and they interviewed over 10 people. These are very desirable positions. I am very grateful

And this is the problem with most finregs. Finregs get outsize pay for the complexity of the work done by those on the line (ie attorneys, economists, etc). Yet everyone gets the outsize pay, including those that have completely fungible jobs across the government, like admins. They should be on a separate, lower pay scale. It may be an unpopular opinion, but it's the truth.

people with lower-skilled fungible jobs have positions at lower grades; the payscale doesn't matter. You sound like someone who has applied for many finreg jobs and didn't make the cut. In contrast, the PP you responded to sounds like a competent, humble colleague who likely contributes significantly to her agency.

You neither understand nor are able to do math.

First, I am at a fin reg and this is why I have strong feelings. I see wildly incompetent people that do not in any way contribute to mission making huge salaries.

Second, pp said they make 50k above A 15 step 10. A DC 15 step 10 is 183k. That means 233k for an "administrative manager." That's an admin.

The fact that they are graded lower (and to make 230ish at the SEC, they are an SK14 or above) is irrelevant if the end result is an admin making 230k plus per year.

You sound like you work in HR and desperately want to think you add value, but have a degree from Online U, and only got a job because you are "special".

The PP *was* an administrative manager in another agency some unknown number of years ago. You have no idea what they do at their current agency, or how long it took them to become an SK-14 or whatever.

And no, I'm not in HR. I'm at a finreg in a specialized role that is basically the farthest thing from HR possible, and I would also make multiples of my salary in the private sector. (With a lot more risk, of course.) But I also don't see a lot of incompetent people in my agency. I would gently suggest that just because you don't understand how someone contributes to the mission of the agency doesn't actually reflect whether they are contributing to the agency mission or not.