Where do you live and what is the class breakdown?

[Anonymous]

What's the purpose of this discussion? Display a lack of class?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.justicemap.org/

This is not accurate. In my neighborhood it’s listing many mix Asian-white, and black families, as 90% white.

[Anonymous]

Southwest DC. There is a huge range--we have several public housing developments and homeless shelters. There are also luxury condos and apartments at the Wharf, and townhomes that sell in the $1-1.5 million range. In between, there are a few apartment complexes that are pretty inexpensive/rent controlled and newer ones that are more expensive. There are co-ops and condos that are a mix of people who bought in many decades ago and newer folks. Pretty diverse in terms of age, race, professions, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mc are not living in those houses. UMC to UC.

Are you talking about OP’s townhouse example? Are you not from the DC area? I 100% believe it’s a MC neighborhood.

I live in 22205 and houses are $1-1.4. On paper or based on home equity, people may seem well-off, but if anyone from another region was blindfolded and dropped into our neighborhood they would call it middle class. The houses are 1940s colonials with modest additions, the lots are close together and yards are small, 95% of kids go to public school, most driveways have a minivan or a Prius, our “private” pool is a bit run down and shabby, our parks look like they have not been updated in 20 years. The lifestyle is very MC. Rec sports and county camps are the norm. Typical families are 2 feds or a lawyer and a sahm. There are a surprising number of houses in our neighborhood that are rented.

Wrong. Your shabby pool and public schools don't make you Joe Everyman. You have resources and security. True middle class people don't.

I live in 22205. What are the outdated parks? There's the brand new expanded playground by Westover, the rose garden, and then all the parks stretching up and down the bike path. It's a great place to live. Maybe we have different definitions of "modest additions" but to me, this seems like a well off neighborhood for financially comfortable people. Sure, there's a mix of incomes (I can afford long term rental but not purchase here) but it seems either you're downplaying the neighborhood to sound "middle class" or you're from such a well of background that go "slumming at the Marriott."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mc are not living in those houses. UMC to UC.

Are you talking about OP’s townhouse example? Are you not from the DC area? I 100% believe it’s a MC neighborhood.

I live in 22205 and houses are $1-1.4. On paper or based on home equity, people may seem well-off, but if anyone from another region was blindfolded and dropped into our neighborhood they would call it middle class. The houses are 1940s colonials with modest additions, the lots are close together and yards are small, 95% of kids go to public school, most driveways have a minivan or a Prius, our “private” pool is a bit run down and shabby, our parks look like they have not been updated in 20 years. The lifestyle is very MC. Rec sports and county camps are the norm. Typical families are 2 feds or a lawyer and a sahm. There are a surprising number of houses in our neighborhood that are rented.

Wrong. Your shabby pool and public schools don't make you Joe Everyman. You have resources and security. True middle class people don't.

I live in 22205. What are the outdated parks? There's the brand new expanded playground by Westover, the rose garden, and then all the parks stretching up and down the bike path. It's a great place to live. Maybe we have different definitions of "modest additions" but to me, this seems like a well off neighborhood for financially comfortable people. Sure, there's a mix of incomes (I can afford long term rental but not purchase here) but it seems either you're downplaying the neighborhood to sound "middle class" or you're from such a well of background that go "slumming at the Marriott."

You totally misunderstood the prior post. You guys were making the same point!

[Anonymous]

1.7 mil to 3.2mil in our neighborhood in McLean. I have no idea how much my neighbors make, I guess enough to afford the house.

I don’t know the class breakdown, people seem wealthy but that doesn’t buy you class.

[Anonymous]

My small Great Falls neighborhood has a more significant “class” breakdown than most people would believe for GF. We are in an older neighborhood of homes built in the 1970s (not as spread out as the rest of GF), and some of the original owners are still here. There are several multi-generational households, as well as young families. Occupations range from IT, Feds, MDs, foreign diplomats, building contractors, etc. Not a lot of SAHPs that I can see.

[Anonymous]

Downtown Frederick. My particular part of town - a cheaper one - feels very middle class. Rowhomes are currently selling for around 300-450k for a 3 bedroom and my neighbors have jobs like PAs, social workers, insurance adjusters, nonprofit managers, and mid-grade feds like myself. There are also a couple of single income households.

My kids definitely go to school with some kids from the wealthier downtown neighborhood but it doesn't feel competitive so far. Nobody's talking at the playground about expensive travel sports for elementary schoolers, "supplementing" to get them way ahead in school, or tropical vacations the way they do on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

I have no idea. Next door is a contractor who bought the house for 750K(2022), and another next door preschool/coach of a sports couple. Paid theirs about the same right before the pandemic.

Another house (two away from mine) sold for under 600K prior to the pandemic, one spouse works for gov, and the other, I don't know, works from home or doesn't. Similar to the house next to them.
On the other side, a retired couple that has been here since 1981, original owners, have a super fancy car so I guess probably doing ok, or just like many of us like to have a retirement treat.

[Anonymous]

20912. Close by neighbors are UMC, although the ones who've been here for 25+ years tend to be more solidly MC. Take a larger circumference (maybe a half mile in every direction) and it ranges to everything from immigrant families or LMC families in subsidized apartments to UMC white collar professionals in 1.5mm+ houses. I like the various elements of diversity here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.justicemap.org/

This is not accurate. In my neighborhood it’s listing many mix Asian-white, and black families, as 90% white.

That's because it is showing you the 2010 census. Try https://www.justicemap.org/2020/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC. Home prices range from 3.5 to 20 million in the immediate area (closest 10 homes). Middle class. Combo of government workers and retirees.

That sounds lower middle class.

The kind of government worker wasn’t specified. Depending on their jobs this could even be a blue-collar/working class neighborhood.

Government attorneys, foreign service, scientists, etc. Two GS-14s make well over $300k, that's certainly not lower middle class. Idiot.

Only 4.3% of American households make over $300k per year. The U.S. Census Bureau surveyed 129.9M households.

Virginia
2-person family middle-class income range: $53,226 to $158,886
3-person family middle-class income range: $61,968 to $184,980
4-person family middle-class income range: $73,000 to $217,910

Maryland
2-person family middle-class income range: $60,487 to $180,558
3-person family middle-class income range: $70,551 to $210,600
4-person family middle-class income range: $83,621 to $249,614

[Anonymous]

EOTR DC, and honestly it's probably a lot more varied than you'd expect.

Of course there is a significant amount of Section 8 working poor and generational poverty, but probably around 30% of the households in my neighborhood are current or retired middle class workers - Metro operators, Fed/DC govt. admins, teachers, cops, skilled trades. And probably around 15-20% higher income gentrifiers.