San Diego electric company proposes billing based on income instead of usage

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:$.47/kwh is an insane rate. Even $.27/kwh is insane.

Maybe they should just figure out why their rates are so high in the first place and fix whatever is causing that?

Bingo. The average residential rate per kWh in the US in 2022 was 15.12 cents. California was the highest in the lower 48 states at 26.17 cents per kWh. High electricity costs, high gasoline costs, high taxes, rampant crime and homelessness - I wonder why so many people are moving out of California??

Wow crazy.
Top ten states by population
(State - population - percent change)
1 California 40,223,504 2.51%
2 Texas 30,345,487 2.77%
3 Florida 22,359,251 2.65%
4 New York 20,448,194 3.09%
5 Pennsylvania 13,092,796 0.99%
6 Illinois 12,807,072 1.07%
7 Ohio 11,878,330 0.83%
8 Georgia 11,019,186 2.03%
9 North Carolina 10,710,558 1.51%
10 Michigan 10,135,438 0.84%

https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/states-by-population/

California lost more people in net domestic migration (-871,000 people) than any other state over the past two years. The numbers were only kept up pre-COVID by immigration, legal and otherwise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Read the proposal.
Here's a breakdown of where you'd fall based on your income.
Households earning less than $28,000 a year would pay a fixed delivery rate of $24 per month.
Households earning under $69,000, that fixed price goes up to $34.
Households earning between $69,000 and $180,000, that price goes up to $73.
Households earning over $180,000 dollars will pay $128.
Everyone's average kilowatt hour rate drops from 47 cents to 27 cents.

If I'm being billed based on income, I'm getting my money's worth. Off the top of my head, crypto mining doesn't make financial sense based primarily on the cost of energy. If I'm locked into $128 a month, all of the sudden that 5 figure bill doesn't matter.

This actually creates a disincentive for people to use less electricity by pushing more costs into the fixed component. I don't see how that's good for the environment.

That is the delivery rate. There would still be a usage fee on top of that.

I get it, but the usage fee will drop a lot as much of that cost shifts to the fixed "delivery" fee.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This isn’t about equity it’s about reclaiming lost revenue from the people making over 180K getting solar. Typical utility move to protect profits while pretending to help the community.

Exactly. Too many people cutting the cable cord, they just raise the price of internet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This isn’t about equity it’s about reclaiming lost revenue from the people making over 180K getting solar. Typical utility move to protect profits while pretending to help the community.

Exactly. Too many people cutting the cable cord, they just raise the price of internet.

+1
This makes much more sense

[Anonymous]

I predict that about two years in it is determined that the formula used to calculate rates was incorrect and all rates go through the roof to make up for the “unexpected shortfall”.

[Anonymous]

I read it.

The issue is this equity stuff will spill over into everyday life.

Yes, It seems the bills are written to charge more for people at higher income levels. So basically the richer people are subsidizing the lower income people. Kinda like taxes are now where Rucker people pay more income taxes. But this is a utility. So is the future that the more people earn, the more they will have to pay for electricity, gas, heat, tolls. Where does this end. So what’s the point of working hard and being successful if you have to pay more for it as an equity punishment.

Maybe Blacks and Native Americans should not have to pay at al land let all the white people pay for everything ???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When I lived in San Diego a few years ago, on the water bill there was a section to donate money to pay other people's water bills. This does not shock me in the slightest.

Don't most places have a way to help families in need? Our utilities company does. I think it's a great way to give back to the community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I read it.

The issue is this equity stuff will spill over into everyday life.

Yes, It seems the bills are written to charge more for people at higher income levels. So basically the richer people are subsidizing the lower income people. Kinda like taxes are now where Rucker people pay more income taxes. But this is a utility. So is the future that the more people earn, the more they will have to pay for electricity, gas, heat, tolls. Where does this end. So what’s the point of working hard and being successful if you have to pay more for it as an equity punishment.

Maybe Blacks and Native Americans should not have to pay at al land let all the white people pay for everything ???

Because wealthy people still live more comfortable lives despite having to pay taxes.

[Anonymous]

Meh, I'm OK with that. Make it a needs-based discount plan available. If you want cheaper electricity, you apply and provide the proof. Just like discounts on after school child care.

I can afford to pay full freight, not going to begrude a grandma on a fixed income a lower rate than mine.

[Anonymous]

"what’s the point of working hard and being successful if you have to pay more for it as an equity punishment."

LOL OK, answer this. Would you rather continue to work hard and be well off, or would you prefer to slack off and qualify for cheap electricity? Which scenario do you think represents a higher quality of life for you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:$.47/kwh is an insane rate. Even $.27/kwh is insane.

Maybe they should just figure out why their rates are so high in the first place and fix whatever is causing that?

Bingo. The average residential rate per kWh in the US in 2022 was 15.12 cents. California was the highest in the lower 48 states at 26.17 cents per kWh. High electricity costs, high gasoline costs, high taxes, rampant crime and homelessness - I wonder why so many people are moving out of California??

I do to. La Jolla is down right cheap with all the people fleeing. Never mind, the prices in San Diego are still extremely high because there is far more demand than supply

People are fleeing La Jolla? Really? I just did a real estate search and a studio apartment is 445 k. Let me know where I can sign up for a La Jolla abandoned property.

[Anonymous]

Reason CA is losing population: Housing is too expensive.

https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2023/02/california-population-exodus-housing/

[Anonymous]

As a poor person I would love to pay less! I rarely pay more than $100/month, most often it’s around $50, but less is even better

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a poor person I would love to pay less! I rarely pay more than $100/month, most often it’s around $50, but less is even better

Uh, everyone would love to pay less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When I lived in San Diego a few years ago, on the water bill there was a section to donate money to pay other people's water bills. This does not shock me in the slightest.

Have you never opened a Washington Gas bill? You have the option to contribute to help others in their time of need here too and have had that option for years.

I’ll never understand you people. Fighting government support as “socialism” and then also attacking private charity. It’d be a real shame if you were forced to choose between paying your water bill and affording your medications like many seniors, or to be forced choose between new shoes for your kids or the power bill.