Greenwood Elementary School

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Exactly what change in student demographics are posters referring to?

There hasn’t been any.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly what change in student demographics are posters referring to?

There hasn’t been any.

My kids are past the elementary stage, so I have a longer view on the demographics. They are changing. Original owners (primarily in Tanterra and the sliver of Olney mill that feeds into the school) who hung onto houses for a long time kept classroom size very low for many years. Then as houses started to sell, the school numbers started to tick up. Another poster spoke of class size being too big. My older kids had 20 or less in their classrooms for many years. Since anyone can follow the year at a glance stats, you can see the demographic shift.

People who have lived in Olney/Brookeville for decades/generations are talking about the shift. Crime is up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly what change in student demographics are posters referring to?

There hasn’t been any.

That’s not true. Look at the stats and you can see how demographics have changed. It’s dishonest to pretend that demographic changes don’t affect public schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly what change in student demographics are posters referring to?

There hasn’t been any.

My kids are past the elementary stage, so I have a longer view on the demographics. They are changing. Original owners (primarily in Tanterra and the sliver of Olney mill that feeds into the school) who hung onto houses for a long time kept classroom size very low for many years. Then as houses started to sell, the school numbers started to tick up. Another poster spoke of class size being too big. My older kids had 20 or less in their classrooms for many years. Since anyone can follow the year at a glance stats, you can see the demographic shift.

People who have lived in Olney/Brookeville for decades/generations are talking about the shift. Crime is up.

Agreed, demographics are something that needs to be measured over the long run, whereas the OP is referencing changes in the past couple years, so it doesn’t make sense to apply a demographics argument at least in respond to OPs original assertions — which at any rate have not been my own family’s experience, our children have had an excellent experience at Greenwood and we’re so thankful for the dedicated teachers and staff. We feel lucky to be at such a wonderful school.

If you want to discuss the demographic changes at Greenwood over the last decade or so, these neighborhoods had a lot of folks from an older generation whose children have grown, so now there is turnover in the housing stock and families with children are moving in. This is all normal and I don’t see how you would link this to crime in these neighborhoods. If there is crime like car thefts etc it’s coming from outside. So the numbers of students at Greenwood are increasing, and this would be a central office issue I’m not giving Greenwood enough teachers to match the growing class sizes. How is this Greenwood’s fault?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly what change in student demographics are posters referring to?

There hasn’t been any.

My kids are past the elementary stage, so I have a longer view on the demographics. They are changing. Original owners (primarily in Tanterra and the sliver of Olney mill that feeds into the school) who hung onto houses for a long time kept classroom size very low for many years. Then as houses started to sell, the school numbers started to tick up. Another poster spoke of class size being too big. My older kids had 20 or less in their classrooms for many years. Since anyone can follow the year at a glance stats, you can see the demographic shift.

People who have lived in Olney/Brookeville for decades/generations are talking about the shift. Crime is up.

Agreed, demographics are something that needs to be measured over the long run, whereas the OP is referencing changes in the past couple years, so it doesn’t make sense to apply a demographics argument at least in respond to OPs original assertions — which at any rate have not been my own family’s experience, our children have had an excellent experience at Greenwood and we’re so thankful for the dedicated teachers and staff. We feel lucky to be at such a wonderful school.

If you want to discuss the demographic changes at Greenwood over the last decade or so, these neighborhoods had a lot of folks from an older generation whose children have grown, so now there is turnover in the housing stock and families with children are moving in. This is all normal and I don’t see how you would link this to crime in these neighborhoods. If there is crime like car thefts etc it’s coming from outside. So the numbers of students at Greenwood are increasing, and this would be a central office issue I’m not giving Greenwood enough teachers to match the growing class sizes. How is this Greenwood’s fault?

The op seems to be disappointed with teachers and the admin.

In the past (including the recent past), behavior issues and kids requiring additional support were less than they seem to be now.

The turnover in housing—particularly in the more affordable neighborhoods—has resulted in some new families bringing new issues to the pyramid. Any parents with kids at Rosa? Some not so good stuff happening there this year thanks to some kids.

Bottom line: all schools have issues. I don’t think you can blame the principal for everything. She’s not in the classroom—the teacher is. And I bet if you polled the teachers who have been there for any length of time they would say they are busy dealing with issues/kids they hadn’t had to deal with in the past at such a volume.

The additional push/pull here is that Greenwood still has a majority of parents equipped to lobby for IEPs, etc. (whether needed or not).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly what change in student demographics are posters referring to?

There hasn’t been any.

My kids are past the elementary stage, so I have a longer view on the demographics. They are changing. Original owners (primarily in Tanterra and the sliver of Olney mill that feeds into the school) who hung onto houses for a long time kept classroom size very low for many years. Then as houses started to sell, the school numbers started to tick up. Another poster spoke of class size being too big. My older kids had 20 or less in their classrooms for many years. Since anyone can follow the year at a glance stats, you can see the demographic shift.

People who have lived in Olney/Brookeville for decades/generations are talking about the shift. Crime is up.

Agreed, demographics are something that needs to be measured over the long run, whereas the OP is referencing changes in the past couple years, so it doesn’t make sense to apply a demographics argument at least in respond to OPs original assertions — which at any rate have not been my own family’s experience, our children have had an excellent experience at Greenwood and we’re so thankful for the dedicated teachers and staff. We feel lucky to be at such a wonderful school.

If you want to discuss the demographic changes at Greenwood over the last decade or so, these neighborhoods had a lot of folks from an older generation whose children have grown, so now there is turnover in the housing stock and families with children are moving in. This is all normal and I don’t see how you would link this to crime in these neighborhoods. If there is crime like car thefts etc it’s coming from outside. So the numbers of students at Greenwood are increasing, and this would be a central office issue I’m not giving Greenwood enough teachers to match the growing class sizes. How is this Greenwood’s fault?

The op seems to be disappointed with teachers and the admin.

In the past (including the recent past), behavior issues and kids requiring additional support were less than they seem to be now.

The turnover in housing—particularly in the more affordable neighborhoods—has resulted in some new families bringing new issues to the pyramid. Any parents with kids at Rosa? Some not so good stuff happening there this year thanks to some kids.

Bottom line: all schools have issues. I don’t think you can blame the principal for everything. She’s not in the classroom—the teacher is. And I bet if you polled the teachers who have been there for any length of time they would say they are busy dealing with issues/kids they hadn’t had to deal with in the past at such a volume.

The additional push/pull here is that Greenwood still has a majority of parents equipped to lobby for IEPs, etc. (whether needed or not).

PP here. I can see this, but behavior and discipline could more likely be ascribed to the issues resulting from the pandemic, and the changing disciplinary policies coming from central office. I see this as being a better explanation for differences over the past few years than changing demographics, which would be more of a long run argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly what change in student demographics are posters referring to?

There hasn’t been any.

My kids are past the elementary stage, so I have a longer view on the demographics. They are changing. Original owners (primarily in Tanterra and the sliver of Olney mill that feeds into the school) who hung onto houses for a long time kept classroom size very low for many years. Then as houses started to sell, the school numbers started to tick up. Another poster spoke of class size being too big. My older kids had 20 or less in their classrooms for many years. Since anyone can follow the year at a glance stats, you can see the demographic shift.

People who have lived in Olney/Brookeville for decades/generations are talking about the shift. Crime is up.

Agreed, demographics are something that needs to be measured over the long run, whereas the OP is referencing changes in the past couple years, so it doesn’t make sense to apply a demographics argument at least in respond to OPs original assertions — which at any rate have not been my own family’s experience, our children have had an excellent experience at Greenwood and we’re so thankful for the dedicated teachers and staff. We feel lucky to be at such a wonderful school.

If you want to discuss the demographic changes at Greenwood over the last decade or so, these neighborhoods had a lot of folks from an older generation whose children have grown, so now there is turnover in the housing stock and families with children are moving in. This is all normal and I don’t see how you would link this to crime in these neighborhoods. If there is crime like car thefts etc it’s coming from outside. So the numbers of students at Greenwood are increasing, and this would be a central office issue I’m not giving Greenwood enough teachers to match the growing class sizes. How is this Greenwood’s fault?

The op seems to be disappointed with teachers and the admin.

In the past (including the recent past), behavior issues and kids requiring additional support were less than they seem to be now.

The turnover in housing—particularly in the more affordable neighborhoods—has resulted in some new families bringing new issues to the pyramid. Any parents with kids at Rosa? Some not so good stuff happening there this year thanks to some kids.

Bottom line: all schools have issues. I don’t think you can blame the principal for everything. She’s not in the classroom—the teacher is. And I bet if you polled the teachers who have been there for any length of time they would say they are busy dealing with issues/kids they hadn’t had to deal with in the past at such a volume.

The additional push/pull here is that Greenwood still has a majority of parents equipped to lobby for IEPs, etc. (whether needed or not).

PP here. I can see this, but behavior and discipline could more likely be ascribed to the issues resulting from the pandemic, and the changing disciplinary policies coming from central office. I see this as being a better explanation for differences over the past few years than changing demographics, which would be more of a long run argument.

Perhaps.

But if you have visibility on issues over the last few years, you might draw a different conclusion.

You won’t get the details here, but if you ask around you might learn things that change your perspective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly what change in student demographics are posters referring to?

There hasn’t been any.

My kids are past the elementary stage, so I have a longer view on the demographics. They are changing. Original owners (primarily in Tanterra and the sliver of Olney mill that feeds into the school) who hung onto houses for a long time kept classroom size very low for many years. Then as houses started to sell, the school numbers started to tick up. Another poster spoke of class size being too big. My older kids had 20 or less in their classrooms for many years. Since anyone can follow the year at a glance stats, you can see the demographic shift.

People who have lived in Olney/Brookeville for decades/generations are talking about the shift. Crime is up.

Are criminals buying the the 700k homes in Tanterra? Are these the poors to you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly what change in student demographics are posters referring to?

There hasn’t been any.

My kids are past the elementary stage, so I have a longer view on the demographics. They are changing. Original owners (primarily in Tanterra and the sliver of Olney mill that feeds into the school) who hung onto houses for a long time kept classroom size very low for many years. Then as houses started to sell, the school numbers started to tick up. Another poster spoke of class size being too big. My older kids had 20 or less in their classrooms for many years. Since anyone can follow the year at a glance stats, you can see the demographic shift.

People who have lived in Olney/Brookeville for decades/generations are talking about the shift. Crime is up.

Are criminals buying the the 700k homes in Tanterra? Are these the poors to you?

No. Some of the homes are being bought by absent landlords, who then rent the homes out to multiple families. Often without a rental license and often renting the homes illegally. So you end up having multiple families, with multiple kids living in a home where previously there were no kids.

This has been happening all over Montgomery County, and has now spread to Olney.

[Anonymous]

I wonder if any of the posters are actually teachers posing as parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly what change in student demographics are posters referring to?

There hasn’t been any.

My kids are past the elementary stage, so I have a longer view on the demographics. They are changing. Original owners (primarily in Tanterra and the sliver of Olney mill that feeds into the school) who hung onto houses for a long time kept classroom size very low for many years. Then as houses started to sell, the school numbers started to tick up. Another poster spoke of class size being too big. My older kids had 20 or less in their classrooms for many years. Since anyone can follow the year at a glance stats, you can see the demographic shift.

People who have lived in Olney/Brookeville for decades/generations are talking about the shift. Crime is up.

Crime is up? In Olney ? Stop it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly what change in student demographics are posters referring to?

There hasn’t been any.

My kids are past the elementary stage, so I have a longer view on the demographics. They are changing. Original owners (primarily in Tanterra and the sliver of Olney mill that feeds into the school) who hung onto houses for a long time kept classroom size very low for many years. Then as houses started to sell, the school numbers started to tick up. Another poster spoke of class size being too big. My older kids had 20 or less in their classrooms for many years. Since anyone can follow the year at a glance stats, you can see the demographic shift.

People who have lived in Olney/Brookeville for decades/generations are talking about the shift. Crime is up.

Are criminals buying the the 700k homes in Tanterra? Are these the poors to you?

No. Some of the homes are being bought by absent landlords, who then rent the homes out to multiple families. Often without a rental license and often renting the homes illegally. So you end up having multiple families, with multiple kids living in a home where previously there were no kids.

This has been happening all over Montgomery County, and has now spread to Olney.

Untrue.

[Anonymous]

Just coming to say that we love Greenwood, and the Tanterra community as a whole. The principals over time definitely each have had different vibes but we can’t complain at all. The kids are happy and thriving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly what change in student demographics are posters referring to?

There hasn’t been any.

My kids are past the elementary stage, so I have a longer view on the demographics. They are changing. Original owners (primarily in Tanterra and the sliver of Olney mill that feeds into the school) who hung onto houses for a long time kept classroom size very low for many years. Then as houses started to sell, the school numbers started to tick up. Another poster spoke of class size being too big. My older kids had 20 or less in their classrooms for many years. Since anyone can follow the year at a glance stats, you can see the demographic shift.

People who have lived in Olney/Brookeville for decades/generations are talking about the shift. Crime is up.

Crime is up? In Olney ? Stop it.

I live in Olney, and yes, things are different now than in years past. Car break-ins and auto thefts are definitely happening more often. A woman was assaulted in the parking lot after shopping at Giant around 7:30 or so while loading groceries into her car. This is just off the top of my head, but these things are posted on the neighborhood list serve and the district crime reports for all to see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly what change in student demographics are posters referring to?

There hasn’t been any.

My kids are past the elementary stage, so I have a longer view on the demographics. They are changing. Original owners (primarily in Tanterra and the sliver of Olney mill that feeds into the school) who hung onto houses for a long time kept classroom size very low for many years. Then as houses started to sell, the school numbers started to tick up. Another poster spoke of class size being too big. My older kids had 20 or less in their classrooms for many years. Since anyone can follow the year at a glance stats, you can see the demographic shift.

People who have lived in Olney/Brookeville for decades/generations are talking about the shift. Crime is up.

Are criminals buying the the 700k homes in Tanterra? Are these the poors to you?

No. Some of the homes are being bought by absent landlords, who then rent the homes out to multiple families. Often without a rental license and often renting the homes illegally. So you end up having multiple families, with multiple kids living in a home where previously there were no kids.

This has been happening all over Montgomery County, and has now spread to Olney.

Untrue.

I like how you can say something is untrue despite the fact that this is the case for two single family homes in my neighborhood. It has been happening all over the County, especially in Wheaton, Silver Spring, Aspen Hill, Gaithersburg. And now, it is also happening in Olney.