Taking summer classes to accelerate

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Anonymous wrote:Between 7th and 8th - Geometry Honors
Between 8th and 9th - Online HPE 9 and prep for any classes that might be challenging. Start volunteer work for Hugh school and plan out clubs. Start fall sport
Between 9th and 10th - Chemistry Honors or HPE10. Job, internship and coursework prep. Continue volunteer work and prep for science fair.

What is the advantage of taking summer 'Geometery Honors' course? how does it help? Is this done for tJ admission?Thanks!

It is not for TJ Admissions now because all that matters is that kids have Algebra 1 Honors by 8th grade and a 3.5 GPA.

There is no good reason to take Geometry over the summer. Cramming a year long math class into one month for the sake of accelerating is unnecessary. Kids taking Algebra 1 H in 7th grade are on track for at least one college level class while in HS, most will end up with two.

But I am sure some folks will post about how their child loves math so much that they want to cram a years worth of math into a one month period so they can take Linear Algebra as a senior in high school or something along those lines.

My son is in 5th grade AAP and he has a 3rd grade AAP student who joins his class for math. That’s how it is done for those who actually need it - not over the summer IMO.

So is that 3rd grader getting single-subject acceleration? Are you at a LLIV center?

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Anonymous wrote:My issue with Geometry over the summer is it takes a class that is already condensed in the US and further condenses it. RSM has a 3-year geometry program so that there is time to dive more deeply into the subject and make sure that kids have a very strong foundation in geometry. I struggled with math, so I am not the person to fully understand why this is a good thing, but my Chemical Engineer husband thinks that it is great. I would guess that is the path we will go down. DS loves math and finds math at school to be boring and math at RSM to be fine but not super challenging. He is excited about starting the geometry program at RSM since it should be material that he has not seen before and should be challenging.

A 3-year geometry class? A fool and his money...

We have a 3 year algebra sequence in the US and Europe actually teaches geometry very differently then we do in the US. Do you think that Euclidean Geometry is completely covered in a one year high school class? Or do you think that there is more there and it is would be beneficial to have a stronger understanding of geometry?

No one would argue that the one semester or one year US History or European History or World Civilization actually covers that material. Why would you think that one year of Geometry actually covers Geometry?

Geometry has a wide array of applications (algebraic, differential, metric) ... one only has to look at the Fields Medal winners, to see it. It's total BS that it's taught for one year and not ever again, and worse that it is allowable to do it over two months instead of a year.

For some perspective:

https://www.quantamagazine.org/june-huh-high-school-dropout-wins-the-fields-medal-20220705/

Wow. You must have had some terrible teachers.

We took one year of geometry- but then it’s applied again in pre calc and calc and physics. So yes, I get memorizing all of those formulas seems a worth three year process, but when you apply them through your other classes, it actually builds on it and makes more sense.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue with Geometry over the summer is it takes a class that is already condensed in the US and further condenses it. RSM has a 3-year geometry program so that there is time to dive more deeply into the subject and make sure that kids have a very strong foundation in geometry. I struggled with math, so I am not the person to fully understand why this is a good thing, but my Chemical Engineer husband thinks that it is great. I would guess that is the path we will go down. DS loves math and finds math at school to be boring and math at RSM to be fine but not super challenging. He is excited about starting the geometry program at RSM since it should be material that he has not seen before and should be challenging.

A 3-year geometry class? A fool and his money...

We have a 3 year algebra sequence in the US and Europe actually teaches geometry very differently then we do in the US. Do you think that Euclidean Geometry is completely covered in a one year high school class? Or do you think that there is more there and it is would be beneficial to have a stronger understanding of geometry?

No one would argue that the one semester or one year US History or European History or World Civilization actually covers that material. Why would you think that one year of Geometry actually covers Geometry?

Geometry has a wide array of applications (algebraic, differential, metric) ... one only has to look at the Fields Medal winners, to see it. It's total BS that it's taught for one year and not ever again, and worse that it is allowable to do it over two months instead of a year.

For some perspective:

https://www.quantamagazine.org/june-huh-high-school-dropout-wins-the-fields-medal-20220705/

Wow. You must have had some terrible teachers.

We took one year of geometry- but then it’s applied again in pre calc and calc and physics. So yes, I get memorizing all of those formulas seems a worth three year process, but when you apply them through your other classes, it actually builds on it and makes more sense.

DP, but disagree on this one. While you're right that geometry comes up a lot in precalc/physics, it really doesn't build on the Euclidean geometry learned in geometry class. Most importantly, geometry is NOT about memorizing facts, it's about logical reasoning, so not sure why you're equating it to memorization of formulas. Some amount of geometry absolutely should be studied every year in math classrooms, and it really is sad that it is not. Also the results speak for themselves: when compared to other countries, US kids have a very limited understanding of geometry mainly because of how infrequently and illogically it is taught in schools.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue with Geometry over the summer is it takes a class that is already condensed in the US and further condenses it. RSM has a 3-year geometry program so that there is time to dive more deeply into the subject and make sure that kids have a very strong foundation in geometry. I struggled with math, so I am not the person to fully understand why this is a good thing, but my Chemical Engineer husband thinks that it is great. I would guess that is the path we will go down. DS loves math and finds math at school to be boring and math at RSM to be fine but not super challenging. He is excited about starting the geometry program at RSM since it should be material that he has not seen before and should be challenging.

A 3-year geometry class? A fool and his money...

We have a 3 year algebra sequence in the US and Europe actually teaches geometry very differently then we do in the US. Do you think that Euclidean Geometry is completely covered in a one year high school class? Or do you think that there is more there and it is would be beneficial to have a stronger understanding of geometry?

No one would argue that the one semester or one year US History or European History or World Civilization actually covers that material. Why would you think that one year of Geometry actually covers Geometry?

Geometry has a wide array of applications (algebraic, differential, metric) ... one only has to look at the Fields Medal winners, to see it. It's total BS that it's taught for one year and not ever again, and worse that it is allowable to do it over two months instead of a year.

For some perspective:

https://www.quantamagazine.org/june-huh-high-school-dropout-wins-the-fields-medal-20220705/

Wow. You must have had some terrible teachers.

We took one year of geometry- but then it’s applied again in pre calc and calc and physics. So yes, I get memorizing all of those formulas seems a worth three year process, but when you apply them through your other classes, it actually builds on it and makes more sense.

Suppose someone took one year of algebra (basic stuff like quadratic formula, functions, etc) and spent the rest of their highschool curriculum on geometry. This is what they said:

"We took one year of algebra- but then it’s applied again in analytic geometry and calc and physics. So yes, I get memorizing all of those formulas seems a worth three year process, but when you apply them through your other classes, it actually builds on it and makes more sense."

How would you convince this person that the algebra they were exposed to was insufficient? They seem quite convinced that their level of algebra education is enough.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue with Geometry over the summer is it takes a class that is already condensed in the US and further condenses it. RSM has a 3-year geometry program so that there is time to dive more deeply into the subject and make sure that kids have a very strong foundation in geometry. I struggled with math, so I am not the person to fully understand why this is a good thing, but my Chemical Engineer husband thinks that it is great. I would guess that is the path we will go down. DS loves math and finds math at school to be boring and math at RSM to be fine but not super challenging. He is excited about starting the geometry program at RSM since it should be material that he has not seen before and should be challenging.

A 3-year geometry class? A fool and his money...

We have a 3 year algebra sequence in the US and Europe actually teaches geometry very differently then we do in the US. Do you think that Euclidean Geometry is completely covered in a one year high school class? Or do you think that there is more there and it is would be beneficial to have a stronger understanding of geometry?

No one would argue that the one semester or one year US History or European History or World Civilization actually covers that material. Why would you think that one year of Geometry actually covers Geometry?

Geometry has a wide array of applications (algebraic, differential, metric) ... one only has to look at the Fields Medal winners, to see it. It's total BS that it's taught for one year and not ever again, and worse that it is allowable to do it over two months instead of a year.

For some perspective:

https://www.quantamagazine.org/june-huh-high-school-dropout-wins-the-fields-medal-20220705/

Wow. You must have had some terrible teachers.

We took one year of geometry- but then it’s applied again in pre calc and calc and physics. So yes, I get memorizing all of those formulas seems a worth three year process, but when you apply them through your other classes, it actually builds on it and makes more sense.

Suppose someone took one year of algebra (basic stuff like quadratic formula, functions, etc) and spent the rest of their highschool curriculum on geometry. This is what they said:

"We took one year of algebra- but then it’s applied again in analytic geometry and calc and physics. So yes, I get memorizing all of those formulas seems a worth three year process, but when you apply them through your other classes, it actually builds on it and makes more sense."

How would you convince this person that the algebra they were exposed to was insufficient? They seem quite convinced that their level of algebra education is enough.

DP. We derived all the geometry formulas in calculus. We didn't spend as much time on proofs as you want but we learned geometry. From just one year of it. As well as all the other years of math.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue with Geometry over the summer is it takes a class that is already condensed in the US and further condenses it. RSM has a 3-year geometry program so that there is time to dive more deeply into the subject and make sure that kids have a very strong foundation in geometry. I struggled with math, so I am not the person to fully understand why this is a good thing, but my Chemical Engineer husband thinks that it is great. I would guess that is the path we will go down. DS loves math and finds math at school to be boring and math at RSM to be fine but not super challenging. He is excited about starting the geometry program at RSM since it should be material that he has not seen before and should be challenging.

A 3-year geometry class? A fool and his money...

We have a 3 year algebra sequence in the US and Europe actually teaches geometry very differently then we do in the US. Do you think that Euclidean Geometry is completely covered in a one year high school class? Or do you think that there is more there and it is would be beneficial to have a stronger understanding of geometry?

No one would argue that the one semester or one year US History or European History or World Civilization actually covers that material. Why would you think that one year of Geometry actually covers Geometry?

Geometry has a wide array of applications (algebraic, differential, metric) ... one only has to look at the Fields Medal winners, to see it. It's total BS that it's taught for one year and not ever again, and worse that it is allowable to do it over two months instead of a year.

For some perspective:

https://www.quantamagazine.org/june-huh-high-school-dropout-wins-the-fields-medal-20220705/

Wow. You must have had some terrible teachers.

We took one year of geometry- but then it’s applied again in pre calc and calc and physics. So yes, I get memorizing all of those formulas seems a worth three year process, but when you apply them through your other classes, it actually builds on it and makes more sense.

Suppose someone took one year of algebra (basic stuff like quadratic formula, functions, etc) and spent the rest of their highschool curriculum on geometry. This is what they said:

"We took one year of algebra- but then it’s applied again in analytic geometry and calc and physics. So yes, I get memorizing all of those formulas seems a worth three year process, but when you apply them through your other classes, it actually builds on it and makes more sense."

How would you convince this person that the algebra they were exposed to was insufficient? They seem quite convinced that their level of algebra education is enough.

DP. We derived all the geometry formulas in calculus. We didn't spend as much time on proofs as you want but we learned geometry. From just one year of it. As well as all the other years of math.

DP. We certainly didn't derive geometry in my BC calc class, but were more or less expected to know it already, or very quickly understand it. While I was very good at algebra and was able to get a 5 on the AP exam, the class felt semi-frustrating at times. Looking back now, I realize that all the portions I didn't quite understand very well, were related to geometry: similar triangles, etc. Back then I was too young to figure out why I couldn't solve certain problems, but now I know that it was because I hadn't understood geometry well enough.

Take geometry, lots of it if you can. It will help your intuition levels in many other areas of math and science (and real life!)

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Anonymous wrote:My issue with Geometry over the summer is it takes a class that is already condensed in the US and further condenses it. RSM has a 3-year geometry program so that there is time to dive more deeply into the subject and make sure that kids have a very strong foundation in geometry. I struggled with math, so I am not the person to fully understand why this is a good thing, but my Chemical Engineer husband thinks that it is great. I would guess that is the path we will go down. DS loves math and finds math at school to be boring and math at RSM to be fine but not super challenging. He is excited about starting the geometry program at RSM since it should be material that he has not seen before and should be challenging.

A 3-year geometry class? A fool and his money...

We have a 3 year algebra sequence in the US and Europe actually teaches geometry very differently then we do in the US. Do you think that Euclidean Geometry is completely covered in a one year high school class? Or do you think that there is more there and it is would be beneficial to have a stronger understanding of geometry?

No one would argue that the one semester or one year US History or European History or World Civilization actually covers that material. Why would you think that one year of Geometry actually covers Geometry?

Geometry has a wide array of applications (algebraic, differential, metric) ... one only has to look at the Fields Medal winners, to see it. It's total BS that it's taught for one year and not ever again, and worse that it is allowable to do it over two months instead of a year.

For some perspective:

https://www.quantamagazine.org/june-huh-high-school-dropout-wins-the-fields-medal-20220705/

Wow. You must have had some terrible teachers.

We took one year of geometry- but then it’s applied again in pre calc and calc and physics. So yes, I get memorizing all of those formulas seems a worth three year process, but when you apply them through your other classes, it actually builds on it and makes more sense.

Suppose someone took one year of algebra (basic stuff like quadratic formula, functions, etc) and spent the rest of their highschool curriculum on geometry. This is what they said:

"We took one year of algebra- but then it’s applied again in analytic geometry and calc and physics. So yes, I get memorizing all of those formulas seems a worth three year process, but when you apply them through your other classes, it actually builds on it and makes more sense."

How would you convince this person that the algebra they were exposed to was insufficient? They seem quite convinced that their level of algebra education is enough.

DP. We derived all the geometry formulas in calculus. We didn't spend as much time on proofs as you want but we learned geometry. From just one year of it. As well as all the other years of math.

DP. We certainly didn't derive geometry in my BC calc class, but were more or less expected to know it already, or very quickly understand it. While I was very good at algebra and was able to get a 5 on the AP exam, the class felt semi-frustrating at times. Looking back now, I realize that all the portions I didn't quite understand very well, were related to geometry: similar triangles, etc. Back then I was too young to figure out why I couldn't solve certain problems, but now I know that it was because I hadn't understood geometry well enough.

Take geometry, lots of it if you can. It will help your intuition levels in many other areas of math and science (and real life!)

I still use it. Just one year of it was fine! Thanks!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:My issue with Geometry over the summer is it takes a class that is already condensed in the US and further condenses it. RSM has a 3-year geometry program so that there is time to dive more deeply into the subject and make sure that kids have a very strong foundation in geometry. I struggled with math, so I am not the person to fully understand why this is a good thing, but my Chemical Engineer husband thinks that it is great. I would guess that is the path we will go down. DS loves math and finds math at school to be boring and math at RSM to be fine but not super challenging. He is excited about starting the geometry program at RSM since it should be material that he has not seen before and should be challenging.

A 3-year geometry class? A fool and his money...

We have a 3 year algebra sequence in the US and Europe actually teaches geometry very differently then we do in the US. Do you think that Euclidean Geometry is completely covered in a one year high school class? Or do you think that there is more there and it is would be beneficial to have a stronger understanding of geometry?

No one would argue that the one semester or one year US History or European History or World Civilization actually covers that material. Why would you think that one year of Geometry actually covers Geometry?

Geometry has a wide array of applications (algebraic, differential, metric) ... one only has to look at the Fields Medal winners, to see it. It's total BS that it's taught for one year and not ever again, and worse that it is allowable to do it over two months instead of a year.

For some perspective:

https://www.quantamagazine.org/june-huh-high-school-dropout-wins-the-fields-medal-20220705/

Wow. You must have had some terrible teachers.

We took one year of geometry- but then it’s applied again in pre calc and calc and physics. So yes, I get memorizing all of those formulas seems a worth three year process, but when you apply them through your other classes, it actually builds on it and makes more sense.

Suppose someone took one year of algebra (basic stuff like quadratic formula, functions, etc) and spent the rest of their highschool curriculum on geometry. This is what they said:

"We took one year of algebra- but then it’s applied again in analytic geometry and calc and physics. So yes, I get memorizing all of those formulas seems a worth three year process, but when you apply them through your other classes, it actually builds on it and makes more sense."

How would you convince this person that the algebra they were exposed to was insufficient? They seem quite convinced that their level of algebra education is enough.

DP. We derived all the geometry formulas in calculus. We didn't spend as much time on proofs as you want but we learned geometry. From just one year of it. As well as all the other years of math.

Can you even name or list "all the geometry formulas" that your derived in Calculus? I know I can't list all the geometry formulas.

Suppose our hypothetical person claims "we derived all the algebra formulas in calculus". How would you respond?