Is Yield Protection REAL?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Real and widely employed. The US News & World Report rankings partially base the findings on yield. Schools know this and "game" the system to ensure that the number of students that actually enroll is as high as possible. This is one of the reasons that ED1 and ED2 have grown in importance, both to students and to colleges.

I think USN&WR has finally dropped both yield and rejection rate from their ranking factors. They do still list schools based on yield, but it isn't one of their metrics. This does not mean that schools aren't still going to try and adjust those numbers, but there is no longer such a great reward for it.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/ranking-criteria-and-weights

Interesting! I did not know that these metrics had been dropped. Thanks so much for sharing!

Can you please show where in that article it says yield and rejection rate have been dropped? Also, I see selectivity is still there at 7 percent…..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For some schools. Notably, Northeastern (Boston) and Tufts come to mind.

And Tulane

That's silly. Tulane relies on ED. No need to yield protect sure things.

It’s pretty obvious from the scattergram. My kid did not apply there so no dog in this fight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, at least as of last year. My DS, who had a 3.85 gpa and 1470 SAT, was waitlisted at JMU. It was his first choice, until they deferred him to RD from EA. They contacted him later and asked if he was still interested (he was not).

JMU really needs to have ED. It's the first choice of many kids and ED is the best way to express that.

[Anonymous]

Tulane absolutely does yield protect. For example, if you are high stats and apply EA instead of ED1, they defer you and tell you to convert to ED2. There is an article where the Tulane Head of Admissions said they deferred 600+ EA applicants, then sent them a notice urging them to convert to ED2, and they accepted only 100 of them. Tulane can do what they want, but the mother interviewed said this was done during winter break when there were no counselors available to ask for advice and it felt like timing to take advantage of kids' insecurities.

See this tweet by Jeff Selingo. Tulane can do what it wants but it sure feels a bit sketchy.

https://twitter.com/jselingo/status/1541442796300681218

[Anonymous]

On Tulane: deferring or denying EA or RD, and then relying on ED is the absolute definition of yield protection. Reliance on ED = yield protection because by definition yield will always be 100% for ED, and lower for the other two categories.

This is why all the schools are moving more towards ED, because it makes their yields look better. Tulane just happens to be one of the most aggressive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For some schools. Notably, Northeastern (Boston) and Tufts come to mind.

And Tulane

And Case Western

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can literally see it on Scattergrams.

There is more to applications than numbers.

[Anonymous]

Yes, but sometimes people throw the term out for highly competitive schools to console themselves when they didn’t prepare for the likely result.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, but sometimes people throw the term out for highly competitive schools to console themselves when they didn’t prepare for the likely result.

Tell that to the TJ parents whose 4.57 gpa, perfect stats kids with brilliant ECs get rejected from Virginia Tech - it’s because VT assumes they will attend somewhere else (and/or they aren’t URM or first generation)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On Tulane: deferring or denying EA or RD, and then relying on ED is the absolute definition of yield protection. Reliance on ED = yield protection because by definition yield will always be 100% for ED, and lower for the other two categories.

This is why all the schools are moving more towards ED, because it makes their yields look better. Tulane just happens to be one of the most aggressive.

That’s silly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, but sometimes people throw the term out for highly competitive schools to console themselves when they didn’t prepare for the likely result.

Tell that to the TJ parents whose 4.57 gpa, perfect stats kids with brilliant ECs get rejected from Virginia Tech - it’s because VT assumes they will attend somewhere else (and/or they aren’t URM or first generation)

Annnnnnd she's back! If your kid wanted VT as their first choice, they would have applied ED. Did they? No? Then *quit complaining*.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, but sometimes people throw the term out for highly competitive schools to console themselves when they didn’t prepare for the likely result.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, but sometimes people throw the term out for highly competitive schools to console themselves when they didn’t prepare for the likely result.

Tell that to the TJ parents whose 4.57 gpa, perfect stats kids with brilliant ECs get rejected from Virginia Tech - it’s because VT assumes they will attend somewhere else (and/or they aren’t URM or first generation)

You described our child who was accepted by VT last year and chose to attend a T10 college instead. We observed no yield protection: the rejections/waitlists only came from T10 and CMU CS.

[Anonymous]

Schools need yield and enrollment management and pick the students best fit the school.
Every school does that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For some schools. Notably, Northeastern (Boston) and Tufts come to mind.

And Tulane

And Case Western

And UVA. Yup.