Northeastern

[Anonymous]

Are we talking about the same Northeastern that merged with Mills College in California?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Northeastern's major metrics are on par with many of the T20 T25 schools.

That is exactly the problem. Northeastern has been gaming those metrics harder than other schools.

https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

So, Northeastern has improved their ranking from around #160 to #44 in US News. Part of this has involved fundraising, which obviously provides more resources for education. Northeastern has successful coop intern programs to help students get jobs. That is valuable for many students. But relentless focus on metrics ignores important things that are not quantified in USNews rankings.

Let's compare to #49 Ohio State. Ohio State has a good law school and good business school with an undergraduate major. They have good math, physcis, and economics. They have famous climate scientist Lonnie Thompson. And of course, they have nationally competitive sports. Schools like Ohio State cannot be built in a decade. They require long, continuous dedication to funding excellent scholarship and teaching. I can't name any professors at Northeastern. Northeastern would happily hire Ohio State Ph.D. students as professors, but the reverse rarely happens (if ever).

Imagine going to Ohio State, and attending a campus lecture where Lonnie Thompson explains how he hiked up the Himalayas to get ice core samples to measure global warming. Then in your environmental science lab, the teaching assistant says "That fatso Thompson sat at base camp and made me carry the ice cores!" That is the type of inspiration you can get at a place like Ohio State. It isn't just one famous man. It is a collection of experts dedicated to their fields, who will share the latest knowledge in every discipline.

A quick web search shows: The following alumni and faculty members of The Ohio State University have been recognized as Nobel laureates:

Paul Flory, 1974, Chemistry (PhD, Ohio State, 1934)
William A. Fowler, 1983, Physics (BS, Ohio State, 1933)
Kenneth G. Wilson, 1982, Physics (faculty, 1988-2002)
Additionally, Rattan Lal (PhD, Ohio State, 1968; faculty, 1987-present) was a member of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore.

Fatso?

[Anonymous]

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I believe Northeastern beat Ohio in most of the areas.

Actually I believe you don't know what you're talking about. Per US News (and fwiw other rankings like Forbes and WSJ are less upbeat on Northeastern)

Expert opinion (peer assessment by educators and administrators): Ohio State 3.9/5, Northeastern 3.6/5
Best undergraduate teaching: OSU #54; Northeastern not in top 100
Undergraduate business programs: OSU #13; NEU #37
Undergraduate engineering programs: OSU #27, OSU #50.
USNWR ranking among global universities: OSU #55; Northeastern #194.

Look, Northeastern's a perfectly fine school, and it's popular, especially with kids who want to go to school in Boston or like the coop program, and its mostly talented grads seem to land in mostly good jobs. So if your kid wants to go there and gets in, great. But the fact that it's (openly and admittedly) gamed its way up the US News ranking doesn't mean Northeastern provides the same caliber of undergraduate education as its like-ranked peers on that ranking, as the US News data breakdown shows, and as the Forbes and WSJ rankings are even clearer about. Even if you don't care about that, other readers might.

good jobs and good location = sounds like a winner LOL

Forbes - https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/
Northeastern: #79
Ohio: # 173

WSJ:
Northeastern: #86
Ohio: #99

Wht about Forbes and WSJ?
I've been for 2+ years and seldom hear anyone even mention Ohio LOL
You are delusional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are we talking about the same Northeastern that merged with Mills College in California?

Yup just like UVA merged with Wise, etc. etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we talking about the same Northeastern that merged with Mills College in California?

Yup just like UVA merged with Wise, etc. etc.

Do you have to apply directly to NU Mills or NU London? Or would they offer those campuses to WL students?

[Anonymous]

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LOL No, you are delusional. You just believe what random people here tell you?
What you look for should be backed by some references and sources.

The industry knows the best about quality of the education outcomes.

Caltech, Brown, UCLA, don't have undergrad business.

I believe Northeastern beat Ohio in most of the areas.

I have been a professor at multiple Ivy League universities, and studied or done sabbaticals at other good schools. I had many college roommates, including business majors. My Ph.D. roommates are now professors all over, or in high-level government/industry jobs, hiring people. I sent Ph.D. students to be professors at good and bad places. My old colleagues have moved to schools all over (one just won a Nobel prize). And I visited scores of schools to do seminars, conferences, etc. I have also worked in industry hiring new college graduates. Northeastern was never even on our radar.

Yes, Caltech, Brown, and UCLA have undergrad business. Look it up.

Your language shows you are unfamiliar with colleges. Everybody says "Ohio State" to avoid confusion with Ohio University. Ohio State was the 2002 National Football Champ; it's not an obscure school! Frankly, you don't write like a college graduate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we talking about the same Northeastern that merged with Mills College in California?

Yup just like UVA merged with Wise, etc. etc.

There are literally hundreds of schools that have satellite campuses in other states. If you don't want to opt for them, you don't have to. So what?

I feel like there is a "hate on Northeastern" thread about every week. Frankly, threads like these take away from DCUM - since they read as disgruntled parents, who are either disappointed in their own kids, or disappointed in themselves, or both.

Maybe seek therapy, instead of trying to stir the pot with another hate session.

IDK anything about Northeastern, but the people I know who have graduated from there speak highly of it, and were happy to be accepted. If that is not you, maybe don't worry about it so much, as to start a thread so often.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
LOL No, you are delusional. You just believe what random people here tell you?
What you look for should be backed by some references and sources.

The industry knows the best about quality of the education outcomes.

Caltech, Brown, UCLA, don't have undergrad business.

I believe Northeastern beat Ohio in most of the areas.

I have been a professor at multiple Ivy League universities, and studied or done sabbaticals at other good schools. I had many college roommates, including business majors. My Ph.D. roommates are now professors all over, or in high-level government/industry jobs, hiring people. I sent Ph.D. students to be professors at good and bad places. My old colleagues have moved to schools all over (one just won a Nobel prize). And I visited scores of schools to do seminars, conferences, etc. I have also worked in industry hiring new college graduates. Northeastern was never even on our radar.

Yes, Caltech, Brown, and UCLA have undergrad business. Look it up.

Your language shows you are unfamiliar with colleges. Everybody says "Ohio State" to avoid confusion with Ohio University. Ohio State was the 2002 National Football Champ; it's not an obscure school! Frankly, you don't write like a college graduate.

What do you mean by 'have undergrad business'. You sound very dumb as a professor.
Economics departments with flavors of 'business' are not normally counted as undergrad business programs.
Hence, they are not listed in major references such as https://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall  
If you are a profesor you should know better instead of  trying to nitpick for the sake of argumanet. 

I looked them up a lot, and my kid is a freshman in Mendoza at ND majoring in business analytics. 
Schools like Brown used to be academic purists that looked down on undergraduate business programs, but time has changed and it's trying to adapt.
It's economic department recently created a thing caleed 'business track' in the economics department. 
Schools like Rice very recently(like 2-3 years ago?) started undergrad business programs.
My kid removed Rice hence it was too new. Brown's econ with a business track sounded good, but didn't apply after accepted REA to Mendoza.
 
Northeastern business program is not a top target school, but still gets big respect from the industry, probably more than whatever flavors of Ohio. 
Enough of Ohio.  It's a good school for Ohionans.  Enjoy your football in Ohio.
I'm careless about football but my kid likes the football culture at ND. 
I hope my kid doesn't run into a professor like you.

[Anonymous]

Its amazing how many posts in these Northeastern threads seem so passionate, on both sides. My kid is a freshman there now, in the D'Amore-McKim School of Business. He's having a good experience so far. He likes the combination of a campus and also being in the city, and he's enjoying his club sport. The coop program was very interesting to him (and to us), and we'll see how that works out. From the parent Facebook page, coops seem to work out very well for most kids, but some run into trouble. I think its very good college, and it was a very good fit for my kid. Like virtually any other school, its not for everyone, and it has its warts (for example, housing is pretty cramped for many kids).

[Anonymous]

Ohio is just a very odd choice to compare to Northeastern lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ohio is just a very odd choice to compare to Northeastern lol

I chose Ohio State because USNews ranks Northeastern #44-48 (tied), and Ohio State is the next school #49 (tied). You could get similar results comparing Northeastern to many schools with similar ranks.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities?study=Business%2C+Management%2C+Marketing%2C+and+Related+Support+Services&_sort=rank&_sortDirection=asc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ohio is just a very odd choice to compare to Northeastern lol

I chose Ohio State because USNews ranks Northeastern #44-48 (tied), and Ohio State is the next school #49 (tied). You could get similar results comparing Northeastern to many schools with similar ranks.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities?study=Business%2C+Management%2C+Marketing%2C+and+Related+Support+Services&_sort=rank&_sortDirection=asc

Wow a T50 school with 57% acceptance rate!
What a deal! People should grab it

[Anonymous]

What do you mean by 'have undergrad business'. You sound very dumb as a professor.
Economics departments with flavors of 'business' are not normally counted as undergrad business programs.
Hence, they are not listed in major references such as https://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall
If you are a profesor you should know better instead of trying to nitpick for the sake of argumanet.

I looked them up a lot, and my kid is a freshman in Mendoza at ND majoring in business analytics.
Schools like Brown used to be academic purists that looked down on undergraduate business programs, but time has changed and it's trying to adapt.
It's economic department recently created a thing caleed 'business track' in the economics department.
Schools like Rice very recently(like 2-3 years ago?) started undergrad business programs.
My kid removed Rice hence it was too new. Brown's econ with a business track sounded good, but didn't apply after accepted REA to Mendoza.

Northeastern business program is not a top target school, but still gets big respect from the industry, probably more than whatever flavors of Ohio.
Enough of Ohio. It's a good school for Ohionans. Enjoy your football in Ohio.
I'm careless about football but my kid likes the football culture at ND.
I hope my kid doesn't run into a professor like you.

NP. Is English not your first language? Your writing contains so many grammatical errors that verges on incomprehensible and makes any analysis difficult to follow. I actually question whether there is a coherent analysis.

[Anonymous]

Commuter school at best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

What do you mean by 'have undergrad business'. You sound very dumb as a professor.
Economics departments with flavors of 'business' are not normally counted as undergrad business programs.
Hence, they are not listed in major references such as https://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall
If you are a profesor you should know better instead of trying to nitpick for the sake of argumanet.

I looked them up a lot, and my kid is a freshman in Mendoza at ND majoring in business analytics.
Schools like Brown used to be academic purists that looked down on undergraduate business programs, but time has changed and it's trying to adapt.
It's economic department recently created a thing caleed 'business track' in the economics department.
Schools like Rice very recently(like 2-3 years ago?) started undergrad business programs.
My kid removed Rice hence it was too new. Brown's econ with a business track sounded good, but didn't apply after accepted REA to Mendoza.

Northeastern business program is not a top target school, but still gets big respect from the industry, probably more than whatever flavors of Ohio.
Enough of Ohio. It's a good school for Ohionans. Enjoy your football in Ohio.
I'm careless about football but my kid likes the football culture at ND.
I hope my kid doesn't run into a professor like you.

NP. Is English not your first language? Your writing contains so many grammatical errors that verges on incomprehensible and makes any analysis difficult to follow. I actually question whether there is a coherent analysis.

I recognize this user. Quite a passionate Northeastern booster to the nth degree. They make frequent appearances on threads for other schools too, simply to denigrate them and promote Northeastern.