Can someone explain to me why we can't pay for health care how we pay for school?

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Anonymous wrote:You clearly have never had to use healthcare from military care facilities. There are *lots* of problems with government run healthcare. Civilian care is much more efficient.

I always hear people say that, but I’ve been to some truly horribly run, inefficient civilian healthcare clinics. My sister is a physician and I’ve seen how things are run behind-the-scenes, and it’s BAD.

For sure there are good ones but let’s stop pretending private health care is all a well-oiled machine run by slick businesspeople. Most have no clue what they’re doing.

And you have the choice to go elsewhere. If it's your only option, you're stuck with it. People tell me all the time how lucky I am for my healthcare that costs nothing at an MTF, and then two friends came to visit me when I had a baby and were shocked at the level of care. They changed their opinion quickly.
Giving the government a bigger hand in it is not the solution. Insurance reform is where it needs to start.

PP. I’m on Medicaid, my kids are on Medicaid, and we have the option to go wherever we want. I gave birth to my second in a state-of-the-art hospital with top notch care and even the food was delicious.

Not sure where you live but my experience certainly hasn’t been poor quality care and being told who I must see.

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Republicans.

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Anonymous wrote: As a conservative I would be more than willing to institute this provided we end birthright citizenship, deport all illegal immigrants, and end chain migration of non-working foreign relatives. Socialized healthcare is too much of an incentive for people who haven't paid into the system.

How do you feel about the fact that kids go to public schools who aren't documented? Do you think kids have more or less of a right to basic healthcare or basic education?

I think kids have a right to basic healthcare and education in their home country, which is where their parents should be raising them.

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Anonymous wrote:Because American public education is a beacon for how to spend money and achieve results??

+1

THIS.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: As a conservative I would be more than willing to institute this provided we end birthright citizenship, deport all illegal immigrants, and end chain migration of non-working foreign relatives. Socialized healthcare is too much of an incentive for people who haven't paid into the system.

How do you feel about the fact that kids go to public schools who aren't documented? Do you think kids have more or less of a right to basic healthcare or basic education?

I think kids have a right to basic healthcare and education in their home country, which is where their parents should be raising them.

So you would deny basic education to kids who are here "illegally" even if not their fault and even if it does'nt change what their parents would do (which it would be unlikely to change)?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because American public education is a beacon for how to spend money and achieve results??

+1

THIS.

PP. I have lived in other countries for about 35+ years now, probably 10 other countries in total. Let me tell you -- in terms of bringing up the bottom, it absolutely is a beacon compared to many of how to spend money to achieve results.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: As a conservative I would be more than willing to institute this provided we end birthright citizenship, deport all illegal immigrants, and end chain migration of non-working foreign relatives. Socialized healthcare is too much of an incentive for people who haven't paid into the system.

How do you feel about the fact that kids go to public schools who aren't documented? Do you think kids have more or less of a right to basic healthcare or basic education?

I think kids have a right to basic healthcare and education in their home country, which is where their parents should be raising them.

DP.. why do I think you are a forced birther. You think you are pro-life but don't think taxpayers should help the poor mom to raise her child. Right? because it's always the parents' responsibility and not the taxpayers. Right?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because American public education is a beacon for how to spend money and achieve results??

+1

THIS.

PP. I have lived in other countries for about 35+ years now, probably 10 other countries in total. Let me tell you -- in terms of bringing up the bottom, it absolutely is a beacon compared to many of how to spend money to achieve results.

DP.. that is, in part, because the US is a rich country but has some of the widest wealth gaps compared to the ones you probably lived in.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know, it's dumb we don't. I guess at this point the main reason is "because the health insurance lobby is too powerful."

One thing I look forward to about getting older is getting on Medicare. I know we'll need supplemental insurance too, and that Medicare has it's downsides. But I just look forward to the continuity of knowing what my base coverage is going to be for the rest of my life. I hate how much time and energy I have put into simply managing my health insurance (not using it, just managing it) in my life. What a waste.

You don’t actually “need” supplemental coverage. Medigap is more like an accounting exercise – do you pay spread out through the year or pay at the time of service?

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Anonymous wrote: As a conservative I would be more than willing to institute this provided we end birthright citizenship, deport all illegal immigrants, and end chain migration of non-working foreign relatives. Socialized healthcare is too much of an incentive for people who haven't paid into the system.

How do you feel about the fact that kids go to public schools who aren't documented? Do you think kids have more or less of a right to basic healthcare or basic education?

Not weighing in on the argument, but not a great analogy, because of the difference between marginal cost and average cost of an additional student in a classroom versus those of an individual’s lifetime healthcare cost.

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Anonymous wrote: As a conservative I would be more than willing to institute this provided we end birthright citizenship, deport all illegal immigrants, and end chain migration of non-working foreign relatives. Socialized healthcare is too much of an incentive for people who haven't paid into the system.

I live in a border city, just a few miles from Mexico.

People aren’t sneaking across for healthcare. Quite the opposite, they generally refuse to get medical treatment because they don’t want to be deported.

They generally come here to work hard labor jobs like construction, get paid less than minimum wage under the table, so they can send the money back home. People complain but don’t realize that without them, house prices would probably double because you’d have to pay Americans a living wage to do construction, cap the workweek at 40 hours (or else have to pay time and a half), and hire twice as many people.

Also, like…they’re people. I don’t mind giving human beings medical care. Many clinics here offer free or sliding scale services to help out people because it’s the right thing to do.

So bizarre to me how conservatives claim to promote family values and be pro-life, when there are millions of human beings they would happily watch suffer and die.

That’s always puzzled me too. 🧐

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You clearly have never had to use healthcare from military care facilities. There are *lots* of problems with government run healthcare. Civilian care is much more efficient.

I always hear people say that, but I’ve been to some truly horribly run, inefficient civilian healthcare clinics. My sister is a physician and I’ve seen how things are run behind-the-scenes, and it’s BAD.

For sure there are good ones but let’s stop pretending private health care is all a well-oiled machine run by slick businesspeople. Most have no clue what they’re doing.

And you have the choice to go elsewhere. If it's your only option, you're stuck with it. People tell me all the time how lucky I am for my healthcare that costs nothing at an MTF, and then two friends came to visit me when I had a baby and were shocked at the level of care. They changed their opinion quickly.
Giving the government a bigger hand in it is not the solution. Insurance reform is where it needs to start.

PP. I’m on Medicaid, my kids are on Medicaid, and we have the option to go wherever we want. I gave birth to my second in a state-of-the-art hospital with top notch care and even the food was delicious.

Not sure where you live but my experience certainly hasn’t been poor quality care and being told who I must see.

I'm in a different situation and seen at a Military treatment facility (that's MTF). I don't have the option to go elsewhere for the same cost. I could change and incur some costs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because American public education is a beacon for how to spend money and achieve results??

+1

THIS.

PP. I have lived in other countries for about 35+ years now, probably 10 other countries in total. Let me tell you -- in terms of bringing up the bottom, it absolutely is a beacon compared to many of how to spend money to achieve results.

DP.. that is, in part, because the US is a rich country but has some of the widest wealth gaps compared to the ones you probably lived in.

Hell no. You could not be more wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because American public education is a beacon for how to spend money and achieve results??

+1

THIS.

PP. I have lived in other countries for about 35+ years now, probably 10 other countries in total. Let me tell you -- in terms of bringing up the bottom, it absolutely is a beacon compared to many of how to spend money to achieve results.

DP.. that is, in part, because the US is a rich country but has some of the widest wealth gaps compared to the ones you probably lived in.

Hell no. You could not be more wrong.

PP again - the places I am speaking of are mostly Latin America, Africa, SE Asia.
I am hardly an expert, but aren't places in Europe where wage gaps are particularly less compared to the US meant to have GOOD education systems?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: As a conservative I would be more than willing to institute this provided we end birthright citizenship, deport all illegal immigrants, and end chain migration of non-working foreign relatives. Socialized healthcare is too much of an incentive for people who haven't paid into the system.

How do you feel about the fact that kids go to public schools who aren't documented? Do you think kids have more or less of a right to basic healthcare or basic education?

I think kids have a right to basic healthcare and education in their home country, which is where their parents should be raising them.

So you would deny basic education to kids who are here "illegally" even if not their fault and even if it does'nt change what their parents would do (which it would be unlikely to change)?

I have relatives living all over the world and other countries, most of which would be considered beacons of enlightenment by DCUM denizens, deal with illegal immigrants by deporting them, including children, to their home countries. Families are not separated, the children go with their families. Not sure why every country except ours is allowed to do this.