Homework in lower elementary school

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Anonymous wrote:just wondering why the worksheets are bad? mine enjoys doing them and generally takes 10 minutes.

They are not bad for your child.

They are bad for the many children — and the families of children — who don’t enjoy them, because then it’s a struggle with no benefit. (Research says it doesn’t help learning.)

But is that because the worksheets are "bad" for these kids or is it because these children are struggling with something on the worksheet, which is what makes them unpleasant? So for instance, if a kid struggles with letters or numbers (maybe simply because they are still working on these concepts, which is fine, or because they might have an LD like dyslexia) doing a worksheet could be really not fun. But then that's useful information for a parent that they might not have gotten if a teacher had not sent home a worksheet. And you now have the opportunity to explore why this feels frustrating or why it's a struggle, and that's probably something that needs to happen if a kid is struggling to complete a worksheet with some basic concepts.

Also, for kids who DO like worksheets, they might not be learning directly from them, but I have observed that the process of successfully completing worksheets can feel really satisfying to them and encourage a love of learning. People always talk about worksheets like they are drudgery, but I've watched kids complete a phonics or math worksheet and get very excited, or ask for another. That doesn't seem like "no benefit" to me.

I completely agree with this. My first grader doesn't mind worksheets because they're easy and quick for her. And "new math" is so different that I feel like I need to see what AND HOW they're doing things to have any clue as to what's going on. It's all pretty straightforward at this stage, but I know that I'll be totally lost in a few years if I'm not familiar with the foundational techniques they're building now. And if she was struggling, I would want to see with what exactly so I could help. How else would you get that understanding if not through homework? Ours is optional and we skip it if we just run out of time, but at least it's there if we need it.

This is hilarious. So you are justifying homework in this age to know what math the child is learning? You mean the addition and subtraction and grouping that you can pick up in a few minutes by looking at examples?

Just ask the teacher for links or to send home some things they have done in class. That’s what our teachers do at our charter if parents want more details of what the child is learning. Absolutely no need to subject kids to daily busy worksheets that is inappropriate for that age.

If it takes your child more than 2 minutes to do a worksheet, that’s a different story. But for many of our kids, early elementary is very easy and the benchmarks are pretty mindless. Why bother the teacher and give them more to do when you can get daily updates in their backpack? If it’s that burdensome to your family, just don’t do it. Nobody’s forcing you to do it at this age.

We get weekly updates with links to see what the kids are doing. It is sent to all families in the grade, not class specific. It’s not burdensome for the teachers because the charter school is organized and have processes in place like this that is clear communication.

Of course parents can email or ask teachers more specific questions if they want.

That's different from watching your kid do a basic addition problem and seeing how they do it (or don't). Or watching them write out a sentence. A generic email sent to the entire grade will not capture what all kids are doing (there is always some differentiation because kids are progressing at different times) and importantly, it will not capture how your child is experiencing it.

And yes, you can ask teachers questions, of course, but it's also really useful to get firsthand exposure to what your kid is doing rather than having it filtered through the teacher.

I find it valuable to get direct exposure to what my kid is working on if for no other reason than it's honestly fun to see how she's progressing, especially on reading and writing.

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Anonymous wrote:just wondering why the worksheets are bad? mine enjoys doing them and generally takes 10 minutes.

They are not bad for your child.

They are bad for the many children — and the families of children — who don’t enjoy them, because then it’s a struggle with no benefit. (Research says it doesn’t help learning.)

But is that because the worksheets are "bad" for these kids or is it because these children are struggling with something on the worksheet, which is what makes them unpleasant? So for instance, if a kid struggles with letters or numbers (maybe simply because they are still working on these concepts, which is fine, or because they might have an LD like dyslexia) doing a worksheet could be really not fun. But then that's useful information for a parent that they might not have gotten if a teacher had not sent home a worksheet. And you now have the opportunity to explore why this feels frustrating or why it's a struggle, and that's probably something that needs to happen if a kid is struggling to complete a worksheet with some basic concepts.

Also, for kids who DO like worksheets, they might not be learning directly from them, but I have observed that the process of successfully completing worksheets can feel really satisfying to them and encourage a love of learning. People always talk about worksheets like they are drudgery, but I've watched kids complete a phonics or math worksheet and get very excited, or ask for another. That doesn't seem like "no benefit" to me.

I completely agree with this. My first grader doesn't mind worksheets because they're easy and quick for her. And "new math" is so different that I feel like I need to see what AND HOW they're doing things to have any clue as to what's going on. It's all pretty straightforward at this stage, but I know that I'll be totally lost in a few years if I'm not familiar with the foundational techniques they're building now. And if she was struggling, I would want to see with what exactly so I could help. How else would you get that understanding if not through homework? Ours is optional and we skip it if we just run out of time, but at least it's there if we need it.

This is hilarious. So you are justifying homework in this age to know what math the child is learning? You mean the addition and subtraction and grouping that you can pick up in a few minutes by looking at examples?

Just ask the teacher for links or to send home some things they have done in class. That’s what our teachers do at our charter if parents want more details of what the child is learning. Absolutely no need to subject kids to daily busy worksheets that is inappropriate for that age.

+1 Just ask which math curriculum your school uses, you don't need homework to know what they are learning in first grade.

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Anonymous wrote:just wondering why the worksheets are bad? mine enjoys doing them and generally takes 10 minutes.

They are not bad for your child.

They are bad for the many children — and the families of children — who don’t enjoy them, because then it’s a struggle with no benefit. (Research says it doesn’t help learning.)

But is that because the worksheets are "bad" for these kids or is it because these children are struggling with something on the worksheet, which is what makes them unpleasant? So for instance, if a kid struggles with letters or numbers (maybe simply because they are still working on these concepts, which is fine, or because they might have an LD like dyslexia) doing a worksheet could be really not fun. But then that's useful information for a parent that they might not have gotten if a teacher had not sent home a worksheet. And you now have the opportunity to explore why this feels frustrating or why it's a struggle, and that's probably something that needs to happen if a kid is struggling to complete a worksheet with some basic concepts.

Also, for kids who DO like worksheets, they might not be learning directly from them, but I have observed that the process of successfully completing worksheets can feel really satisfying to them and encourage a love of learning. People always talk about worksheets like they are drudgery, but I've watched kids complete a phonics or math worksheet and get very excited, or ask for another. That doesn't seem like "no benefit" to me.

I completely agree with this. My first grader doesn't mind worksheets because they're easy and quick for her. And "new math" is so different that I feel like I need to see what AND HOW they're doing things to have any clue as to what's going on. It's all pretty straightforward at this stage, but I know that I'll be totally lost in a few years if I'm not familiar with the foundational techniques they're building now. And if she was struggling, I would want to see with what exactly so I could help. How else would you get that understanding if not through homework? Ours is optional and we skip it if we just run out of time, but at least it's there if we need it.

This is hilarious. So you are justifying homework in this age to know what math the child is learning? You mean the addition and subtraction and grouping that you can pick up in a few minutes by looking at examples?

Just ask the teacher for links or to send home some things they have done in class. That’s what our teachers do at our charter if parents want more details of what the child is learning. Absolutely no need to subject kids to daily busy worksheets that is inappropriate for that age.

If it takes your child more than 2 minutes to do a worksheet, that’s a different story. But for many of our kids, early elementary is very easy and the benchmarks are pretty mindless. Why bother the teacher and give them more to do when you can get daily updates in their backpack? If it’s that burdensome to your family, just don’t do it. Nobody’s forcing you to do it at this age.

We get weekly updates with links to see what the kids are doing. It is sent to all families in the grade, not class specific. It’s not burdensome for the teachers because the charter school is organized and have processes in place like this that is clear communication.

Of course parents can email or ask teachers more specific questions if they want.

That's different from watching your kid do a basic addition problem and seeing how they do it (or don't). Or watching them write out a sentence. A generic email sent to the entire grade will not capture what all kids are doing (there is always some differentiation because kids are progressing at different times) and importantly, it will not capture how your child is experiencing it.

And yes, you can ask teachers questions, of course, but it's also really useful to get firsthand exposure to what your kid is doing rather than having it filtered through the teacher.

I find it valuable to get direct exposure to what my kid is working on if for no other reason than it's honestly fun to see how she's progressing, especially on reading and writing.

I know how my kid does math or write by just giving them a problem and asking them to do it. If there’s a link then there is also examples of problems.

I don’t need worksheet homework every night to figure that out and neither do you.

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Anonymous wrote:just wondering why the worksheets are bad? mine enjoys doing them and generally takes 10 minutes.

They are not bad for your child.

They are bad for the many children — and the families of children — who don’t enjoy them, because then it’s a struggle with no benefit. (Research says it doesn’t help learning.)

But is that because the worksheets are "bad" for these kids or is it because these children are struggling with something on the worksheet, which is what makes them unpleasant? So for instance, if a kid struggles with letters or numbers (maybe simply because they are still working on these concepts, which is fine, or because they might have an LD like dyslexia) doing a worksheet could be really not fun. But then that's useful information for a parent that they might not have gotten if a teacher had not sent home a worksheet. And you now have the opportunity to explore why this feels frustrating or why it's a struggle, and that's probably something that needs to happen if a kid is struggling to complete a worksheet with some basic concepts.

Also, for kids who DO like worksheets, they might not be learning directly from them, but I have observed that the process of successfully completing worksheets can feel really satisfying to them and encourage a love of learning. People always talk about worksheets like they are drudgery, but I've watched kids complete a phonics or math worksheet and get very excited, or ask for another. That doesn't seem like "no benefit" to me.

I completely agree with this. My first grader doesn't mind worksheets because they're easy and quick for her. And "new math" is so different that I feel like I need to see what AND HOW they're doing things to have any clue as to what's going on. It's all pretty straightforward at this stage, but I know that I'll be totally lost in a few years if I'm not familiar with the foundational techniques they're building now. And if she was struggling, I would want to see with what exactly so I could help. How else would you get that understanding if not through homework? Ours is optional and we skip it if we just run out of time, but at least it's there if we need it.

This is hilarious. So you are justifying homework in this age to know what math the child is learning? You mean the addition and subtraction and grouping that you can pick up in a few minutes by looking at examples?

Just ask the teacher for links or to send home some things they have done in class. That’s what our teachers do at our charter if parents want more details of what the child is learning. Absolutely no need to subject kids to daily busy worksheets that is inappropriate for that age.

If it takes your child more than 2 minutes to do a worksheet, that’s a different story. But for many of our kids, early elementary is very easy and the benchmarks are pretty mindless. Why bother the teacher and give them more to do when you can get daily updates in their backpack? If it’s that burdensome to your family, just don’t do it. Nobody’s forcing you to do it at this age.

We get weekly updates with links to see what the kids are doing. It is sent to all families in the grade, not class specific. It’s not burdensome for the teachers because the charter school is organized and have processes in place like this that is clear communication.

Of course parents can email or ask teachers more specific questions if they want.

That's different from watching your kid do a basic addition problem and seeing how they do it (or don't). Or watching them write out a sentence. A generic email sent to the entire grade will not capture what all kids are doing (there is always some differentiation because kids are progressing at different times) and importantly, it will not capture how your child is experiencing it.

And yes, you can ask teachers questions, of course, but it's also really useful to get firsthand exposure to what your kid is doing rather than having it filtered through the teacher.

I find it valuable to get direct exposure to what my kid is working on if for no other reason than it's honestly fun to see how she's progressing, especially on reading and writing.

I know how my kid does math or write by just giving them a problem and asking them to do it. If there’s a link then there is also examples of problems.

I don’t need worksheet homework every night to figure that out and neither do you.

I never said I wanted a worksheet homework every night. I said that I don't mind the optional worksheets my kid sometimes brings home because they give me insight into what they are working on at school and how she is approaching it. She'll often show me the process they've been taught at school for approaching a problem or a task, which I also find useful.

I have no idea why this is so upsetting for some of you. There's a huge difference between nightly mandatory worksheets (which I would not be on board with) and occasional optional worksheets. Worksheets are not inherently evil, and the difference between a 1st grade math worksheet and a 5th grade math problem set from a book is just a matter of degrees. Do you also think it's wrong to give 5th graders problem sets to do at home? Or do you make up your own problem sets for your child to do at that age as well?

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Anonymous wrote:just wondering why the worksheets are bad? mine enjoys doing them and generally takes 10 minutes.

They are not bad for your child.

They are bad for the many children — and the families of children — who don’t enjoy them, because then it’s a struggle with no benefit. (Research says it doesn’t help learning.)

But is that because the worksheets are "bad" for these kids or is it because these children are struggling with something on the worksheet, which is what makes them unpleasant? So for instance, if a kid struggles with letters or numbers (maybe simply because they are still working on these concepts, which is fine, or because they might have an LD like dyslexia) doing a worksheet could be really not fun. But then that's useful information for a parent that they might not have gotten if a teacher had not sent home a worksheet. And you now have the opportunity to explore why this feels frustrating or why it's a struggle, and that's probably something that needs to happen if a kid is struggling to complete a worksheet with some basic concepts.

Also, for kids who DO like worksheets, they might not be learning directly from them, but I have observed that the process of successfully completing worksheets can feel really satisfying to them and encourage a love of learning. People always talk about worksheets like they are drudgery, but I've watched kids complete a phonics or math worksheet and get very excited, or ask for another. That doesn't seem like "no benefit" to me.

I completely agree with this. My first grader doesn't mind worksheets because they're easy and quick for her. And "new math" is so different that I feel like I need to see what AND HOW they're doing things to have any clue as to what's going on. It's all pretty straightforward at this stage, but I know that I'll be totally lost in a few years if I'm not familiar with the foundational techniques they're building now. And if she was struggling, I would want to see with what exactly so I could help. How else would you get that understanding if not through homework? Ours is optional and we skip it if we just run out of time, but at least it's there if we need it.

This is hilarious. So you are justifying homework in this age to know what math the child is learning? You mean the addition and subtraction and grouping that you can pick up in a few minutes by looking at examples?

Just ask the teacher for links or to send home some things they have done in class. That’s what our teachers do at our charter if parents want more details of what the child is learning. Absolutely no need to subject kids to daily busy worksheets that is inappropriate for that age.

+1 Just ask which math curriculum your school uses, you don't need homework to know what they are learning in first grade.

Most people are not educators and if they were told the name of the curriculum being used, it would mean nothing to them. Even DCPS is not this opaque -- their curriculum guides actually describe the underlying approaches and describes the activities the children actually do: https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/1st-Grade-Guide_English.pdf

You'll also note that the guide also includes activities parents can do at home to reinforce what is being learned at school, which is an education best practice and parents should seek to support their child through home reinforcement. A worksheet could easily just be one of these suggested activities but distributed in backpacks so that parents know when do the activity in the year. For instance, a 1st grade teacher might send a worksheet home in November that prompts the child to draw pictures of two habitats and then draw a snake within the habitat. This could prompt the parent to ask their child what a habitat is and what some examples are. I am so confused as to why this would be considered some terrible thing to do, especially if this was one of maybe 4 worksheets sent home in a month and they were optional.

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Anonymous wrote:just wondering why the worksheets are bad? mine enjoys doing them and generally takes 10 minutes.

They are not bad for your child.

They are bad for the many children — and the families of children — who don’t enjoy them, because then it’s a struggle with no benefit. (Research says it doesn’t help learning.)

But is that because the worksheets are "bad" for these kids or is it because these children are struggling with something on the worksheet, which is what makes them unpleasant? So for instance, if a kid struggles with letters or numbers (maybe simply because they are still working on these concepts, which is fine, or because they might have an LD like dyslexia) doing a worksheet could be really not fun. But then that's useful information for a parent that they might not have gotten if a teacher had not sent home a worksheet. And you now have the opportunity to explore why this feels frustrating or why it's a struggle, and that's probably something that needs to happen if a kid is struggling to complete a worksheet with some basic concepts.

Also, for kids who DO like worksheets, they might not be learning directly from them, but I have observed that the process of successfully completing worksheets can feel really satisfying to them and encourage a love of learning. People always talk about worksheets like they are drudgery, but I've watched kids complete a phonics or math worksheet and get very excited, or ask for another. That doesn't seem like "no benefit" to me.

I completely agree with this. My first grader doesn't mind worksheets because they're easy and quick for her. And "new math" is so different that I feel like I need to see what AND HOW they're doing things to have any clue as to what's going on. It's all pretty straightforward at this stage, but I know that I'll be totally lost in a few years if I'm not familiar with the foundational techniques they're building now. And if she was struggling, I would want to see with what exactly so I could help. How else would you get that understanding if not through homework? Ours is optional and we skip it if we just run out of time, but at least it's there if we need it.

This is hilarious. So you are justifying homework in this age to know what math the child is learning? You mean the addition and subtraction and grouping that you can pick up in a few minutes by looking at examples?

Just ask the teacher for links or to send home some things they have done in class. That’s what our teachers do at our charter if parents want more details of what the child is learning. Absolutely no need to subject kids to daily busy worksheets that is inappropriate for that age.

If it takes your child more than 2 minutes to do a worksheet, that’s a different story. But for many of our kids, early elementary is very easy and the benchmarks are pretty mindless. Why bother the teacher and give them more to do when you can get daily updates in their backpack? If it’s that burdensome to your family, just don’t do it. Nobody’s forcing you to do it at this age.

We get weekly updates with links to see what the kids are doing. It is sent to all families in the grade, not class specific. It’s not burdensome for the teachers because the charter school is organized and have processes in place like this that is clear communication.

Of course parents can email or ask teachers more specific questions if they want.

That's different from watching your kid do a basic addition problem and seeing how they do it (or don't). Or watching them write out a sentence. A generic email sent to the entire grade will not capture what all kids are doing (there is always some differentiation because kids are progressing at different times) and importantly, it will not capture how your child is experiencing it.

And yes, you can ask teachers questions, of course, but it's also really useful to get firsthand exposure to what your kid is doing rather than having it filtered through the teacher.

I find it valuable to get direct exposure to what my kid is working on if for no other reason than it's honestly fun to see how she's progressing, especially on reading and writing.

I know how my kid does math or write by just giving them a problem and asking them to do it. If there’s a link then there is also examples of problems.

I don’t need worksheet homework every night to figure that out and neither do you.

I never said I wanted a worksheet homework every night. I said that I don't mind the optional worksheets my kid sometimes brings home because they give me insight into what they are working on at school and how she is approaching it. She'll often show me the process they've been taught at school for approaching a problem or a task, which I also find useful.

I have no idea why this is so upsetting for some of you. There's a huge difference between nightly mandatory worksheets (which I would not be on board with) and occasional optional worksheets. Worksheets are not inherently evil, and the difference between a 1st grade math worksheet and a 5th grade math problem set from a book is just a matter of degrees. Do you also think it's wrong to give 5th graders problem sets to do at home? Or do you make up your own problem sets for your child to do at that age as well?

The majority of schools giving worksheets in lower elementary are giving them daily or many days a week. It’s not occasional.

Also if you don’t know the difference between what is developmentally appropriate learning in different ages, you can read about it. Huge difference between a 6 year old vs 10 year old.

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Anonymous wrote:just wondering why the worksheets are bad? mine enjoys doing them and generally takes 10 minutes.

They are not bad for your child.

They are bad for the many children — and the families of children — who don’t enjoy them, because then it’s a struggle with no benefit. (Research says it doesn’t help learning.)

But is that because the worksheets are "bad" for these kids or is it because these children are struggling with something on the worksheet, which is what makes them unpleasant? So for instance, if a kid struggles with letters or numbers (maybe simply because they are still working on these concepts, which is fine, or because they might have an LD like dyslexia) doing a worksheet could be really not fun. But then that's useful information for a parent that they might not have gotten if a teacher had not sent home a worksheet. And you now have the opportunity to explore why this feels frustrating or why it's a struggle, and that's probably something that needs to happen if a kid is struggling to complete a worksheet with some basic concepts.

Also, for kids who DO like worksheets, they might not be learning directly from them, but I have observed that the process of successfully completing worksheets can feel really satisfying to them and encourage a love of learning. People always talk about worksheets like they are drudgery, but I've watched kids complete a phonics or math worksheet and get very excited, or ask for another. That doesn't seem like "no benefit" to me.

I completely agree with this. My first grader doesn't mind worksheets because they're easy and quick for her. And "new math" is so different that I feel like I need to see what AND HOW they're doing things to have any clue as to what's going on. It's all pretty straightforward at this stage, but I know that I'll be totally lost in a few years if I'm not familiar with the foundational techniques they're building now. And if she was struggling, I would want to see with what exactly so I could help. How else would you get that understanding if not through homework? Ours is optional and we skip it if we just run out of time, but at least it's there if we need it.

This is hilarious. So you are justifying homework in this age to know what math the child is learning? You mean the addition and subtraction and grouping that you can pick up in a few minutes by looking at examples?

Just ask the teacher for links or to send home some things they have done in class. That’s what our teachers do at our charter if parents want more details of what the child is learning. Absolutely no need to subject kids to daily busy worksheets that is inappropriate for that age.

If it takes your child more than 2 minutes to do a worksheet, that’s a different story. But for many of our kids, early elementary is very easy and the benchmarks are pretty mindless. Why bother the teacher and give them more to do when you can get daily updates in their backpack? If it’s that burdensome to your family, just don’t do it. Nobody’s forcing you to do it at this age.

We get weekly updates with links to see what the kids are doing. It is sent to all families in the grade, not class specific. It’s not burdensome for the teachers because the charter school is organized and have processes in place like this that is clear communication.

Of course parents can email or ask teachers more specific questions if they want.

That's different from watching your kid do a basic addition problem and seeing how they do it (or don't). Or watching them write out a sentence. A generic email sent to the entire grade will not capture what all kids are doing (there is always some differentiation because kids are progressing at different times) and importantly, it will not capture how your child is experiencing it.

And yes, you can ask teachers questions, of course, but it's also really useful to get firsthand exposure to what your kid is doing rather than having it filtered through the teacher.

I find it valuable to get direct exposure to what my kid is working on if for no other reason than it's honestly fun to see how she's progressing, especially on reading and writing.

I know how my kid does math or write by just giving them a problem and asking them to do it. If there’s a link then there is also examples of problems.

I don’t need worksheet homework every night to figure that out and neither do you.

I never said I wanted a worksheet homework every night. I said that I don't mind the optional worksheets my kid sometimes brings home because they give me insight into what they are working on at school and how she is approaching it. She'll often show me the process they've been taught at school for approaching a problem or a task, which I also find useful.

I have no idea why this is so upsetting for some of you. There's a huge difference between nightly mandatory worksheets (which I would not be on board with) and occasional optional worksheets. Worksheets are not inherently evil, and the difference between a 1st grade math worksheet and a 5th grade math problem set from a book is just a matter of degrees. Do you also think it's wrong to give 5th graders problem sets to do at home? Or do you make up your own problem sets for your child to do at that age as well?

The reason people care is that they (including me) hate when teachers give homework to all children because some parents *ask* for it under the mistaken belief that it builds skills (whether math or executive function). Just do whatever you want with your kid, but don’t advocate for homework for the class.

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4th grade. About 20 min of math every night.

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I wish my kid got math homework. I don't think they spend enough time on math in class -- and math is something where repetition is helpful, at least for my kid -- and so homework gives me a way to check in if my child is fluent on that week's concepts & an easy way to get them to do a bit more anytime they aren't.

Yes, I could read curriculum guides, email my kid's teacher about what they're working on, come up with my own activities, etc, etc... but sometimes I just want it to be easy. A weekly optional worksheet makes it easy.

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Anonymous wrote:just wondering why the worksheets are bad? mine enjoys doing them and generally takes 10 minutes.

They are not bad for your child.

They are bad for the many children — and the families of children — who don’t enjoy them, because then it’s a struggle with no benefit. (Research says it doesn’t help learning.)

But is that because the worksheets are "bad" for these kids or is it because these children are struggling with something on the worksheet, which is what makes them unpleasant? So for instance, if a kid struggles with letters or numbers (maybe simply because they are still working on these concepts, which is fine, or because they might have an LD like dyslexia) doing a worksheet could be really not fun. But then that's useful information for a parent that they might not have gotten if a teacher had not sent home a worksheet. And you now have the opportunity to explore why this feels frustrating or why it's a struggle, and that's probably something that needs to happen if a kid is struggling to complete a worksheet with some basic concepts.

Also, for kids who DO like worksheets, they might not be learning directly from them, but I have observed that the process of successfully completing worksheets can feel really satisfying to them and encourage a love of learning. People always talk about worksheets like they are drudgery, but I've watched kids complete a phonics or math worksheet and get very excited, or ask for another. That doesn't seem like "no benefit" to me.

I completely agree with this. My first grader doesn't mind worksheets because they're easy and quick for her. And "new math" is so different that I feel like I need to see what AND HOW they're doing things to have any clue as to what's going on. It's all pretty straightforward at this stage, but I know that I'll be totally lost in a few years if I'm not familiar with the foundational techniques they're building now. And if she was struggling, I would want to see with what exactly so I could help. How else would you get that understanding if not through homework? Ours is optional and we skip it if we just run out of time, but at least it's there if we need it.

This is hilarious. So you are justifying homework in this age to know what math the child is learning? You mean the addition and subtraction and grouping that you can pick up in a few minutes by looking at examples?

Just ask the teacher for links or to send home some things they have done in class. That’s what our teachers do at our charter if parents want more details of what the child is learning. Absolutely no need to subject kids to daily busy worksheets that is inappropriate for that age.

If it takes your child more than 2 minutes to do a worksheet, that’s a different story. But for many of our kids, early elementary is very easy and the benchmarks are pretty mindless. Why bother the teacher and give them more to do when you can get daily updates in their backpack? If it’s that burdensome to your family, just don’t do it. Nobody’s forcing you to do it at this age.

We get weekly updates with links to see what the kids are doing. It is sent to all families in the grade, not class specific. It’s not burdensome for the teachers because the charter school is organized and have processes in place like this that is clear communication.

Of course parents can email or ask teachers more specific questions if they want.

That's different from watching your kid do a basic addition problem and seeing how they do it (or don't). Or watching them write out a sentence. A generic email sent to the entire grade will not capture what all kids are doing (there is always some differentiation because kids are progressing at different times) and importantly, it will not capture how your child is experiencing it.

And yes, you can ask teachers questions, of course, but it's also really useful to get firsthand exposure to what your kid is doing rather than having it filtered through the teacher.

I find it valuable to get direct exposure to what my kid is working on if for no other reason than it's honestly fun to see how she's progressing, especially on reading and writing.

I know how my kid does math or write by just giving them a problem and asking them to do it. If there’s a link then there is also examples of problems.

I don’t need worksheet homework every night to figure that out and neither do you.

I never said I wanted a worksheet homework every night. I said that I don't mind the optional worksheets my kid sometimes brings home because they give me insight into what they are working on at school and how she is approaching it. She'll often show me the process they've been taught at school for approaching a problem or a task, which I also find useful.

I have no idea why this is so upsetting for some of you. There's a huge difference between nightly mandatory worksheets (which I would not be on board with) and occasional optional worksheets. Worksheets are not inherently evil, and the difference between a 1st grade math worksheet and a 5th grade math problem set from a book is just a matter of degrees. Do you also think it's wrong to give 5th graders problem sets to do at home? Or do you make up your own problem sets for your child to do at that age as well?

The majority of schools giving worksheets in lower elementary are giving them daily or many days a week. It’s not occasional.

Also if you don’t know the difference between what is developmentally appropriate learning in different ages, you can read about it. Huge difference between a 6 year old vs 10 year old.

OK, except I have a kid in a DCPS and we get worksheets 3-4x a month that are very clearly optional and my kid likes doing them and I've actually gotten some benefit out of doing them with her. So actually your assumptions about what happens is wrong and you are yelling at me over worksheets for no reason.

The problem with having very restrictive and limited opinions on how school should work as a parent is that it shuts you off to things that might turn out to be perfectly fine, even good. Before I had a kid getting worksheets in K, I would have said "no worksheets, they are useless busy work." But we have a great teacher who is thoughtful about what she sends home and it turns out they are neither useless nor busywork.

Turns out sometimes the person with the graduate degree and years of teaching experience sometimes actually knows what she's doing. Go figure.

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Anonymous wrote:just wondering why the worksheets are bad? mine enjoys doing them and generally takes 10 minutes.

They are not bad for your child.

They are bad for the many children — and the families of children — who don’t enjoy them, because then it’s a struggle with no benefit. (Research says it doesn’t help learning.)

But is that because the worksheets are "bad" for these kids or is it because these children are struggling with something on the worksheet, which is what makes them unpleasant? So for instance, if a kid struggles with letters or numbers (maybe simply because they are still working on these concepts, which is fine, or because they might have an LD like dyslexia) doing a worksheet could be really not fun. But then that's useful information for a parent that they might not have gotten if a teacher had not sent home a worksheet. And you now have the opportunity to explore why this feels frustrating or why it's a struggle, and that's probably something that needs to happen if a kid is struggling to complete a worksheet with some basic concepts.

Also, for kids who DO like worksheets, they might not be learning directly from them, but I have observed that the process of successfully completing worksheets can feel really satisfying to them and encourage a love of learning. People always talk about worksheets like they are drudgery, but I've watched kids complete a phonics or math worksheet and get very excited, or ask for another. That doesn't seem like "no benefit" to me.

I completely agree with this. My first grader doesn't mind worksheets because they're easy and quick for her. And "new math" is so different that I feel like I need to see what AND HOW they're doing things to have any clue as to what's going on. It's all pretty straightforward at this stage, but I know that I'll be totally lost in a few years if I'm not familiar with the foundational techniques they're building now. And if she was struggling, I would want to see with what exactly so I could help. How else would you get that understanding if not through homework? Ours is optional and we skip it if we just run out of time, but at least it's there if we need it.

This is hilarious. So you are justifying homework in this age to know what math the child is learning? You mean the addition and subtraction and grouping that you can pick up in a few minutes by looking at examples?

Just ask the teacher for links or to send home some things they have done in class. That’s what our teachers do at our charter if parents want more details of what the child is learning. Absolutely no need to subject kids to daily busy worksheets that is inappropriate for that age.

If it takes your child more than 2 minutes to do a worksheet, that’s a different story. But for many of our kids, early elementary is very easy and the benchmarks are pretty mindless. Why bother the teacher and give them more to do when you can get daily updates in their backpack? If it’s that burdensome to your family, just don’t do it. Nobody’s forcing you to do it at this age.

We get weekly updates with links to see what the kids are doing. It is sent to all families in the grade, not class specific. It’s not burdensome for the teachers because the charter school is organized and have processes in place like this that is clear communication.

Of course parents can email or ask teachers more specific questions if they want.

That's different from watching your kid do a basic addition problem and seeing how they do it (or don't). Or watching them write out a sentence. A generic email sent to the entire grade will not capture what all kids are doing (there is always some differentiation because kids are progressing at different times) and importantly, it will not capture how your child is experiencing it.

And yes, you can ask teachers questions, of course, but it's also really useful to get firsthand exposure to what your kid is doing rather than having it filtered through the teacher.

I find it valuable to get direct exposure to what my kid is working on if for no other reason than it's honestly fun to see how she's progressing, especially on reading and writing.

I know how my kid does math or write by just giving them a problem and asking them to do it. If there’s a link then there is also examples of problems.

I don’t need worksheet homework every night to figure that out and neither do you.

I never said I wanted a worksheet homework every night. I said that I don't mind the optional worksheets my kid sometimes brings home because they give me insight into what they are working on at school and how she is approaching it. She'll often show me the process they've been taught at school for approaching a problem or a task, which I also find useful.

I have no idea why this is so upsetting for some of you. There's a huge difference between nightly mandatory worksheets (which I would not be on board with) and occasional optional worksheets. Worksheets are not inherently evil, and the difference between a 1st grade math worksheet and a 5th grade math problem set from a book is just a matter of degrees. Do you also think it's wrong to give 5th graders problem sets to do at home? Or do you make up your own problem sets for your child to do at that age as well?

The majority of schools giving worksheets in lower elementary are giving them daily or many days a week. It’s not occasional.

Also if you don’t know the difference between what is developmentally appropriate learning in different ages, you can read about it. Huge difference between a 6 year old vs 10 year old.

OK, except I have a kid in a DCPS and we get worksheets 3-4x a month that are very clearly optional and my kid likes doing them and I've actually gotten some benefit out of doing them with her. So actually your assumptions about what happens is wrong and you are yelling at me over worksheets for no reason.

The problem with having very restrictive and limited opinions on how school should work as a parent is that it shuts you off to things that might turn out to be perfectly fine, even good. Before I had a kid getting worksheets in K, I would have said "no worksheets, they are useless busy work." But we have a great teacher who is thoughtful about what she sends home and it turns out they are neither useless nor busywork.

Turns out sometimes the person with the graduate degree and years of teaching experience sometimes actually knows what she's doing. Go figure.

Most parents do not agree with you, that doesn’t mean they Pp is “yelling” at you.

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Anonymous wrote:just wondering why the worksheets are bad? mine enjoys doing them and generally takes 10 minutes.

They are not bad for your child.

They are bad for the many children — and the families of children — who don’t enjoy them, because then it’s a struggle with no benefit. (Research says it doesn’t help learning.)

But is that because the worksheets are "bad" for these kids or is it because these children are struggling with something on the worksheet, which is what makes them unpleasant? So for instance, if a kid struggles with letters or numbers (maybe simply because they are still working on these concepts, which is fine, or because they might have an LD like dyslexia) doing a worksheet could be really not fun. But then that's useful information for a parent that they might not have gotten if a teacher had not sent home a worksheet. And you now have the opportunity to explore why this feels frustrating or why it's a struggle, and that's probably something that needs to happen if a kid is struggling to complete a worksheet with some basic concepts.

Also, for kids who DO like worksheets, they might not be learning directly from them, but I have observed that the process of successfully completing worksheets can feel really satisfying to them and encourage a love of learning. People always talk about worksheets like they are drudgery, but I've watched kids complete a phonics or math worksheet and get very excited, or ask for another. That doesn't seem like "no benefit" to me.

I completely agree with this. My first grader doesn't mind worksheets because they're easy and quick for her. And "new math" is so different that I feel like I need to see what AND HOW they're doing things to have any clue as to what's going on. It's all pretty straightforward at this stage, but I know that I'll be totally lost in a few years if I'm not familiar with the foundational techniques they're building now. And if she was struggling, I would want to see with what exactly so I could help. How else would you get that understanding if not through homework? Ours is optional and we skip it if we just run out of time, but at least it's there if we need it.

This is hilarious. So you are justifying homework in this age to know what math the child is learning? You mean the addition and subtraction and grouping that you can pick up in a few minutes by looking at examples?

Just ask the teacher for links or to send home some things they have done in class. That’s what our teachers do at our charter if parents want more details of what the child is learning. Absolutely no need to subject kids to daily busy worksheets that is inappropriate for that age.

If it takes your child more than 2 minutes to do a worksheet, that’s a different story. But for many of our kids, early elementary is very easy and the benchmarks are pretty mindless. Why bother the teacher and give them more to do when you can get daily updates in their backpack? If it’s that burdensome to your family, just don’t do it. Nobody’s forcing you to do it at this age.

We get weekly updates with links to see what the kids are doing. It is sent to all families in the grade, not class specific. It’s not burdensome for the teachers because the charter school is organized and have processes in place like this that is clear communication.

Of course parents can email or ask teachers more specific questions if they want.

That's different from watching your kid do a basic addition problem and seeing how they do it (or don't). Or watching them write out a sentence. A generic email sent to the entire grade will not capture what all kids are doing (there is always some differentiation because kids are progressing at different times) and importantly, it will not capture how your child is experiencing it.

And yes, you can ask teachers questions, of course, but it's also really useful to get firsthand exposure to what your kid is doing rather than having it filtered through the teacher.

I find it valuable to get direct exposure to what my kid is working on if for no other reason than it's honestly fun to see how she's progressing, especially on reading and writing.

I know how my kid does math or write by just giving them a problem and asking them to do it. If there’s a link then there is also examples of problems.

I don’t need worksheet homework every night to figure that out and neither do you.

I never said I wanted a worksheet homework every night. I said that I don't mind the optional worksheets my kid sometimes brings home because they give me insight into what they are working on at school and how she is approaching it. She'll often show me the process they've been taught at school for approaching a problem or a task, which I also find useful.

I have no idea why this is so upsetting for some of you. There's a huge difference between nightly mandatory worksheets (which I would not be on board with) and occasional optional worksheets. Worksheets are not inherently evil, and the difference between a 1st grade math worksheet and a 5th grade math problem set from a book is just a matter of degrees. Do you also think it's wrong to give 5th graders problem sets to do at home? Or do you make up your own problem sets for your child to do at that age as well?

The majority of schools giving worksheets in lower elementary are giving them daily or many days a week. It’s not occasional.

Also if you don’t know the difference between what is developmentally appropriate learning in different ages, you can read about it. Huge difference between a 6 year old vs 10 year old.

OK, except I have a kid in a DCPS and we get worksheets 3-4x a month that are very clearly optional and my kid likes doing them and I've actually gotten some benefit out of doing them with her. So actually your assumptions about what happens is wrong and you are yelling at me over worksheets for no reason.

The problem with having very restrictive and limited opinions on how school should work as a parent is that it shuts you off to things that might turn out to be perfectly fine, even good. Before I had a kid getting worksheets in K, I would have said "no worksheets, they are useless busy work." But we have a great teacher who is thoughtful about what she sends home and it turns out they are neither useless nor busywork.

Turns out sometimes the person with the graduate degree and years of teaching experience sometimes actually knows what she's doing. Go figure.

Most parents do not agree with you, that doesn’t mean they Pp is “yelling” at you.

Do you have some kind of study that says what "most parents" think? Or do you just assume that if you think something, "most" people must agree with you?

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Anonymous wrote:just wondering why the worksheets are bad? mine enjoys doing them and generally takes 10 minutes.

They are not bad for your child.

They are bad for the many children — and the families of children — who don’t enjoy them, because then it’s a struggle with no benefit. (Research says it doesn’t help learning.)

But is that because the worksheets are "bad" for these kids or is it because these children are struggling with something on the worksheet, which is what makes them unpleasant? So for instance, if a kid struggles with letters or numbers (maybe simply because they are still working on these concepts, which is fine, or because they might have an LD like dyslexia) doing a worksheet could be really not fun. But then that's useful information for a parent that they might not have gotten if a teacher had not sent home a worksheet. And you now have the opportunity to explore why this feels frustrating or why it's a struggle, and that's probably something that needs to happen if a kid is struggling to complete a worksheet with some basic concepts.

Also, for kids who DO like worksheets, they might not be learning directly from them, but I have observed that the process of successfully completing worksheets can feel really satisfying to them and encourage a love of learning. People always talk about worksheets like they are drudgery, but I've watched kids complete a phonics or math worksheet and get very excited, or ask for another. That doesn't seem like "no benefit" to me.

I completely agree with this. My first grader doesn't mind worksheets because they're easy and quick for her. And "new math" is so different that I feel like I need to see what AND HOW they're doing things to have any clue as to what's going on. It's all pretty straightforward at this stage, but I know that I'll be totally lost in a few years if I'm not familiar with the foundational techniques they're building now. And if she was struggling, I would want to see with what exactly so I could help. How else would you get that understanding if not through homework? Ours is optional and we skip it if we just run out of time, but at least it's there if we need it.

This is hilarious. So you are justifying homework in this age to know what math the child is learning? You mean the addition and subtraction and grouping that you can pick up in a few minutes by looking at examples?

Just ask the teacher for links or to send home some things they have done in class. That’s what our teachers do at our charter if parents want more details of what the child is learning. Absolutely no need to subject kids to daily busy worksheets that is inappropriate for that age.

If it takes your child more than 2 minutes to do a worksheet, that’s a different story. But for many of our kids, early elementary is very easy and the benchmarks are pretty mindless. Why bother the teacher and give them more to do when you can get daily updates in their backpack? If it’s that burdensome to your family, just don’t do it. Nobody’s forcing you to do it at this age.

We get weekly updates with links to see what the kids are doing. It is sent to all families in the grade, not class specific. It’s not burdensome for the teachers because the charter school is organized and have processes in place like this that is clear communication.

Of course parents can email or ask teachers more specific questions if they want.

That's different from watching your kid do a basic addition problem and seeing how they do it (or don't). Or watching them write out a sentence. A generic email sent to the entire grade will not capture what all kids are doing (there is always some differentiation because kids are progressing at different times) and importantly, it will not capture how your child is experiencing it.

And yes, you can ask teachers questions, of course, but it's also really useful to get firsthand exposure to what your kid is doing rather than having it filtered through the teacher.

I find it valuable to get direct exposure to what my kid is working on if for no other reason than it's honestly fun to see how she's progressing, especially on reading and writing.

I know how my kid does math or write by just giving them a problem and asking them to do it. If there’s a link then there is also examples of problems.

I don’t need worksheet homework every night to figure that out and neither do you.

I never said I wanted a worksheet homework every night. I said that I don't mind the optional worksheets my kid sometimes brings home because they give me insight into what they are working on at school and how she is approaching it. She'll often show me the process they've been taught at school for approaching a problem or a task, which I also find useful.

I have no idea why this is so upsetting for some of you. There's a huge difference between nightly mandatory worksheets (which I would not be on board with) and occasional optional worksheets. Worksheets are not inherently evil, and the difference between a 1st grade math worksheet and a 5th grade math problem set from a book is just a matter of degrees. Do you also think it's wrong to give 5th graders problem sets to do at home? Or do you make up your own problem sets for your child to do at that age as well?

The majority of schools giving worksheets in lower elementary are giving them daily or many days a week. It’s not occasional.

Also if you don’t know the difference between what is developmentally appropriate learning in different ages, you can read about it. Huge difference between a 6 year old vs 10 year old.

OK, except I have a kid in a DCPS and we get worksheets 3-4x a month that are very clearly optional and my kid likes doing them and I've actually gotten some benefit out of doing them with her. So actually your assumptions about what happens is wrong and you are yelling at me over worksheets for no reason.

The problem with having very restrictive and limited opinions on how school should work as a parent is that it shuts you off to things that might turn out to be perfectly fine, even good. Before I had a kid getting worksheets in K, I would have said "no worksheets, they are useless busy work." But we have a great teacher who is thoughtful about what she sends home and it turns out they are neither useless nor busywork.

Turns out sometimes the person with the graduate degree and years of teaching experience sometimes actually knows what she's doing. Go figure.

Most parents do not agree with you, that doesn’t mean they Pp is “yelling” at you.

Do you have some kind of study that says what "most parents" think? Or do you just assume that if you think something, "most" people must agree with you?

I am not the one going back and forth trying to convince people why worksheets are good.

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Our kid's 2nd grade teacher at Murch assigned homework every night, and is kind of notorious because of it (she's still there, unfortunately). Otherwise there was nothing too burdensome in other grades.

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What kind of homework did all of you do in lower elementary? I went to public school on the 80s, and had to write book reports as homework in 2nd grade. By the end of 2nd grade, I had so much practice writing that I was winning writing competitions in 3rd grade.