Late with grades

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Anonymous wrote:Or perhaps the teacher cannot get all of the grading done during contracted school hours and their normal amount of extra time in the evenings and weekends.

Lol. Let me guess you’re a teacher?

Not that poster, but anyone with a pulse knows that MCPS can’t supply enough subs this year and teachers are forced to spend their planning periods “covering” absent teachers’ classes. Maybe you can sign up to sub?

NP here. I’m not a teacher, but honest question…do teachers need to plan lessons every year?, I was under the impression that once a teacher plans a lesson (at the start of their career) it’s pretty much a repeat lesson every year, so there’s really not much planning involved during the subsequent years. Im asking a genuine question, please no snarky comments!

I’m a 3rd year teacher and I do all the planning for my science content area. I have no one else to share the planning with.
I spend a ton of time on planning (weekends + evenings).
I teach 3 different classes and I keep trying to improve my content.
Trying to teach is way harder than I expected.

[Anonymous]

This is OP - I do feel like the majority of teachers are doing their best to grade in a timely manner. Some of these assignments I am referring to are from the end of September and beginning of October. My DC also had to be very persistent to set up a time with the teacher to take a quiz she missed due to an absence. That quiz that was taken in the beginning of October is still listed as missing. I’m just trying to gauge if this is something that should be brought up with her counselor. She likely will end up with an A or B based on the grades she has so far, and I understand giving teachers time to grade papers. When my daughter tries to ask questions about assignments he gives her an unclear answer and sends her on her way, and does not respond to emails. This situation just seems a little more than a teacher taking a couple weeks to get something graded.

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It's extremely deleterious for students' progress to not have their work back and be able to understand corrections in a timely manner. Beyond the quarter grading issue, it's a question of learning: they're learning so much at such speed in high school, that coming back to an essay or math unit from last month will seriously impact their memorization of facts and methods.

Most of my child's high school teachers grade in a timely manner. He's a senior, so he's had LOTS of high school teachers. There is absolutely NO excuse for late grading and MCPS should not allow it at all.

This is quite offensive. I’ll do my best to get essays graded in a timely manner, but I will not prioritize work over my own health or my own family any more than I already do. You get 13-15 hours a weekend ALREADY from me, and I refuse to give more. Frankly, to hear you demand that there is “no excuse” when things are late? Try to have a bit of compassion. I get very little time AT work to DO work.

I hope you are thanking those teachers for their timely feedback. They sacrificed time with their own families to give that feedback to your child.

DP. This is your chosen profession. For students to improve they need prompt, thorough feedback. That does not change because of the number of hours required, your life work-balance, etc. Honestly, there is nothing "offensive" about what children need to improve and requiring the professional paid to teach to provide it. Fortunately, most of my children's teachers do provide prompt feedback, but some of you are in the wrong profession if this is your attitude.

I’m the PP and I may be your child’s teacher. I do provide prompt feedback. I’m trying to explain to DCUM, however, the deep personal cost of that feedback. I worked 3 80-hour weeks last year. Yes, 80 hours. That’s not hyperbole. That’s waking up at 5am on a Saturday and working 14 hours and doing it again on Sunday. My average usually hovers around 65-70 hours a week. Yes, I come to DCUM on 5-minute breaks to unwind. That’s better than the alternative, like crying in the car (a coworker) or getting checked into the hospital for a panic attack (another coworker). My department lost 8 teachers (of 14) in 2 years and every single one of them said it was because of the workload. We lost 1 new teacher already this year and 2 others are actively looking to leave. I’m currently covering a class full-time during what would have been my planning period.

You say I have an attitude. I ask you: is this treatment okay? Should teachers simply accept that absurd hours are part of the job, or should the job change to become more bearable? Should I simply accept that I get 3 duty-free hours a week to complete over 30 hours of behind-the-scenes work?

I can’t accept that martyrdom is what you expect of teachers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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It's extremely deleterious for students' progress to not have their work back and be able to understand corrections in a timely manner. Beyond the quarter grading issue, it's a question of learning: they're learning so much at such speed in high school, that coming back to an essay or math unit from last month will seriously impact their memorization of facts and methods.

Most of my child's high school teachers grade in a timely manner. He's a senior, so he's had LOTS of high school teachers. There is absolutely NO excuse for late grading and MCPS should not allow it at all.

This is quite offensive. I’ll do my best to get essays graded in a timely manner, but I will not prioritize work over my own health or my own family any more than I already do. You get 13-15 hours a weekend ALREADY from me, and I refuse to give more. Frankly, to hear you demand that there is “no excuse” when things are late? Try to have a bit of compassion. I get very little time AT work to DO work.

I hope you are thanking those teachers for their timely feedback. They sacrificed time with their own families to give that feedback to your child.

DP. This is your chosen profession. For students to improve they need prompt, thorough feedback. That does not change because of the number of hours required, your life work-balance, etc. Honestly, there is nothing "offensive" about what children need to improve and requiring the professional paid to teach to provide it. Fortunately, most of my children's teachers do provide prompt feedback, but some of you are in the wrong profession if this is your attitude.

I’m the PP and I may be your child’s teacher. I do provide prompt feedback. I’m trying to explain to DCUM, however, the deep personal cost of that feedback. I worked 3 80-hour weeks last year. Yes, 80 hours. That’s not hyperbole. That’s waking up at 5am on a Saturday and working 14 hours and doing it again on Sunday. My average usually hovers around 65-70 hours a week. Yes, I come to DCUM on 5-minute breaks to unwind. That’s better than the alternative, like crying in the car (a coworker) or getting checked into the hospital for a panic attack (another coworker). My department lost 8 teachers (of 14) in 2 years and every single one of them said it was because of the workload. We lost 1 new teacher already this year and 2 others are actively looking to leave. I’m currently covering a class full-time during what would have been my planning period.

You say I have an attitude. I ask you: is this treatment okay? Should teachers simply accept that absurd hours are part of the job, or should the job change to become more bearable? Should I simply accept that I get 3 duty-free hours a week to complete over 30 hours of behind-the-scenes work?

I can’t accept that martyrdom is what you expect of teachers.

You have this backwards. I am a parent. I care about my children’s readiness for college and the world. No where in your post do you acknowledge that this is your job. Do I want you to work more or fewer hours? My response is - how will this affect my child’s education, something you failed to address. I asked earlier but no one responded - who decides the number, format, timing of homework and tests?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It's extremely deleterious for students' progress to not have their work back and be able to understand corrections in a timely manner. Beyond the quarter grading issue, it's a question of learning: they're learning so much at such speed in high school, that coming back to an essay or math unit from last month will seriously impact their memorization of facts and methods.

Most of my child's high school teachers grade in a timely manner. He's a senior, so he's had LOTS of high school teachers. There is absolutely NO excuse for late grading and MCPS should not allow it at all.

This is quite offensive. I’ll do my best to get essays graded in a timely manner, but I will not prioritize work over my own health or my own family any more than I already do. You get 13-15 hours a weekend ALREADY from me, and I refuse to give more. Frankly, to hear you demand that there is “no excuse” when things are late? Try to have a bit of compassion. I get very little time AT work to DO work.

I hope you are thanking those teachers for their timely feedback. They sacrificed time with their own families to give that feedback to your child.

DP. This is your chosen profession. For students to improve they need prompt, thorough feedback. That does not change because of the number of hours required, your life work-balance, etc. Honestly, there is nothing "offensive" about what children need to improve and requiring the professional paid to teach to provide it. Fortunately, most of my children's teachers do provide prompt feedback, but some of you are in the wrong profession if this is your attitude.

I’m the PP and I may be your child’s teacher. I do provide prompt feedback. I’m trying to explain to DCUM, however, the deep personal cost of that feedback. I worked 3 80-hour weeks last year. Yes, 80 hours. That’s not hyperbole. That’s waking up at 5am on a Saturday and working 14 hours and doing it again on Sunday. My average usually hovers around 65-70 hours a week. Yes, I come to DCUM on 5-minute breaks to unwind. That’s better than the alternative, like crying in the car (a coworker) or getting checked into the hospital for a panic attack (another coworker). My department lost 8 teachers (of 14) in 2 years and every single one of them said it was because of the workload. We lost 1 new teacher already this year and 2 others are actively looking to leave. I’m currently covering a class full-time during what would have been my planning period.

You say I have an attitude. I ask you: is this treatment okay? Should teachers simply accept that absurd hours are part of the job, or should the job change to become more bearable? Should I simply accept that I get 3 duty-free hours a week to complete over 30 hours of behind-the-scenes work?

I can’t accept that martyrdom is what you expect of teachers.

You have this backwards. I am a parent. I care about my children’s readiness for college and the world. No where in your post do you acknowledge that this is your job. Do I want you to work more or fewer hours? My response is - how will this affect my child’s education, something you failed to address. I asked earlier but no one responded - who decides the number, format, timing of homework and tests?

This is simple. Teacher burnout absolutely affects your child. We are exhausted and it is only November. Teachers are working 11-12 hour days with few breaks. We work weekends. Yes, your child’s experience is going to suffer. We aren’t robots. You understand that, correct? And when we continue to quit because of exhaustion, your child gets a rotating door of subs. So yes… this affects your child. Our working conditions DO matter more than you want them to.

Who decides? I do. I’m an AP teacher. I give meaningful work with meaningful feedback. That takes time. If I throw simple multiple-choice tests at your child, he/she won’t learn to write. Therefore, I decide to do a good job… which takes more TIME to prepare and grade. You’re welcome.

So, try supporting us. In doing so, you are also supporting your child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It's extremely deleterious for students' progress to not have their work back and be able to understand corrections in a timely manner. Beyond the quarter grading issue, it's a question of learning: they're learning so much at such speed in high school, that coming back to an essay or math unit from last month will seriously impact their memorization of facts and methods.

Most of my child's high school teachers grade in a timely manner. He's a senior, so he's had LOTS of high school teachers. There is absolutely NO excuse for late grading and MCPS should not allow it at all.

This is quite offensive. I’ll do my best to get essays graded in a timely manner, but I will not prioritize work over my own health or my own family any more than I already do. You get 13-15 hours a weekend ALREADY from me, and I refuse to give more. Frankly, to hear you demand that there is “no excuse” when things are late? Try to have a bit of compassion. I get very little time AT work to DO work.

I hope you are thanking those teachers for their timely feedback. They sacrificed time with their own families to give that feedback to your child.

PP you replied.
You need to rid yourself of the idea that grading quickly is above and beyond. It's an essential part of teaching.
If you don't get the time during your workday, then you add in hours like everyone else working in other jobs.
If you think teachers don't get paid enough to work outside of their regular day, then welcome to the state of the world, where essential jobs are never paid or respected enough: I completely agree that teachers should be paid way more than they are, and command more respect.
My husband has an MD and a Phd and uses both in cancer research at NIH. He's paid 100K for this critical work, after way more years of education than what you did.

Why? Because it's a labor of love. It's a calling. Those who save the world are rarely recognized or thanked for it.

No its capitalism sweetie. Dont worry the pharma guys and sales people are laughing their way to the bank making money off research that the governments funds/collabs with/builds upon. The more people like you say its just how it is, the less change will be made and the slower change will be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It's extremely deleterious for students' progress to not have their work back and be able to understand corrections in a timely manner. Beyond the quarter grading issue, it's a question of learning: they're learning so much at such speed in high school, that coming back to an essay or math unit from last month will seriously impact their memorization of facts and methods.

Most of my child's high school teachers grade in a timely manner. He's a senior, so he's had LOTS of high school teachers. There is absolutely NO excuse for late grading and MCPS should not allow it at all.

This is quite offensive. I’ll do my best to get essays graded in a timely manner, but I will not prioritize work over my own health or my own family any more than I already do. You get 13-15 hours a weekend ALREADY from me, and I refuse to give more. Frankly, to hear you demand that there is “no excuse” when things are late? Try to have a bit of compassion. I get very little time AT work to DO work.

I hope you are thanking those teachers for their timely feedback. They sacrificed time with their own families to give that feedback to your child.

DP. This is your chosen profession. For students to improve they need prompt, thorough feedback. That does not change because of the number of hours required, your life work-balance, etc. Honestly, there is nothing "offensive" about what children need to improve and requiring the professional paid to teach to provide it. Fortunately, most of my children's teachers do provide prompt feedback, but some of you are in the wrong profession if this is your attitude.

I’m the PP and I may be your child’s teacher. I do provide prompt feedback. I’m trying to explain to DCUM, however, the deep personal cost of that feedback. I worked 3 80-hour weeks last year. Yes, 80 hours. That’s not hyperbole. That’s waking up at 5am on a Saturday and working 14 hours and doing it again on Sunday. My average usually hovers around 65-70 hours a week. Yes, I come to DCUM on 5-minute breaks to unwind. That’s better than the alternative, like crying in the car (a coworker) or getting checked into the hospital for a panic attack (another coworker). My department lost 8 teachers (of 14) in 2 years and every single one of them said it was because of the workload. We lost 1 new teacher already this year and 2 others are actively looking to leave. I’m currently covering a class full-time during what would have been my planning period.

You say I have an attitude. I ask you: is this treatment okay? Should teachers simply accept that absurd hours are part of the job, or should the job change to become more bearable? Should I simply accept that I get 3 duty-free hours a week to complete over 30 hours of behind-the-scenes work?

I can’t accept that martyrdom is what you expect of teachers.

You have this backwards. I am a parent. I care about my children’s readiness for college and the world. No where in your post do you acknowledge that this is your job. Do I want you to work more or fewer hours? My response is - how will this affect my child’s education, something you failed to address. I asked earlier but no one responded - who decides the number, format, timing of homework and tests?

Her job is NOT to prepare your child for college and the world. WTF. She is 45min-90min a day with your kid, maybe 4 hours total a week. That is 0.02% of your childs week. GTFOH.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It's extremely deleterious for students' progress to not have their work back and be able to understand corrections in a timely manner. Beyond the quarter grading issue, it's a question of learning: they're learning so much at such speed in high school, that coming back to an essay or math unit from last month will seriously impact their memorization of facts and methods.

Most of my child's high school teachers grade in a timely manner. He's a senior, so he's had LOTS of high school teachers. There is absolutely NO excuse for late grading and MCPS should not allow it at all.

This is quite offensive. I’ll do my best to get essays graded in a timely manner, but I will not prioritize work over my own health or my own family any more than I already do. You get 13-15 hours a weekend ALREADY from me, and I refuse to give more. Frankly, to hear you demand that there is “no excuse” when things are late? Try to have a bit of compassion. I get very little time AT work to DO work.

I hope you are thanking those teachers for their timely feedback. They sacrificed time with their own families to give that feedback to your child.

DP. This is your chosen profession. For students to improve they need prompt, thorough feedback. That does not change because of the number of hours required, your life work-balance, etc. Honestly, there is nothing "offensive" about what children need to improve and requiring the professional paid to teach to provide it. Fortunately, most of my children's teachers do provide prompt feedback, but some of you are in the wrong profession if this is your attitude.

I’m the PP and I may be your child’s teacher. I do provide prompt feedback. I’m trying to explain to DCUM, however, the deep personal cost of that feedback. I worked 3 80-hour weeks last year. Yes, 80 hours. That’s not hyperbole. That’s waking up at 5am on a Saturday and working 14 hours and doing it again on Sunday. My average usually hovers around 65-70 hours a week. Yes, I come to DCUM on 5-minute breaks to unwind. That’s better than the alternative, like crying in the car (a coworker) or getting checked into the hospital for a panic attack (another coworker). My department lost 8 teachers (of 14) in 2 years and every single one of them said it was because of the workload. We lost 1 new teacher already this year and 2 others are actively looking to leave. I’m currently covering a class full-time during what would have been my planning period.

You say I have an attitude. I ask you: is this treatment okay? Should teachers simply accept that absurd hours are part of the job, or should the job change to become more bearable? Should I simply accept that I get 3 duty-free hours a week to complete over 30 hours of behind-the-scenes work?

I can’t accept that martyrdom is what you expect of teachers.

You have this backwards. I am a parent. I care about my children’s readiness for college and the world. No where in your post do you acknowledge that this is your job. Do I want you to work more or fewer hours? My response is - how will this affect my child’s education, something you failed to address. I asked earlier but no one responded - who decides the number, format, timing of homework and tests?

Her job is NOT to prepare your child for college and the world. WTF. She is 45min-90min a day with your kid, maybe 4 hours total a week. That is 0.02% of your childs week. GTFOH.

Some of you are or have experienced some terrible teachers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It's extremely deleterious for students' progress to not have their work back and be able to understand corrections in a timely manner. Beyond the quarter grading issue, it's a question of learning: they're learning so much at such speed in high school, that coming back to an essay or math unit from last month will seriously impact their memorization of facts and methods.

Most of my child's high school teachers grade in a timely manner. He's a senior, so he's had LOTS of high school teachers. There is absolutely NO excuse for late grading and MCPS should not allow it at all.

This is quite offensive. I’ll do my best to get essays graded in a timely manner, but I will not prioritize work over my own health or my own family any more than I already do. You get 13-15 hours a weekend ALREADY from me, and I refuse to give more. Frankly, to hear you demand that there is “no excuse” when things are late? Try to have a bit of compassion. I get very little time AT work to DO work.

I hope you are thanking those teachers for their timely feedback. They sacrificed time with their own families to give that feedback to your child.

DP. This is your chosen profession. For students to improve they need prompt, thorough feedback. That does not change because of the number of hours required, your life work-balance, etc. Honestly, there is nothing "offensive" about what children need to improve and requiring the professional paid to teach to provide it. Fortunately, most of my children's teachers do provide prompt feedback, but some of you are in the wrong profession if this is your attitude.

I’m the PP and I may be your child’s teacher. I do provide prompt feedback. I’m trying to explain to DCUM, however, the deep personal cost of that feedback. I worked 3 80-hour weeks last year. Yes, 80 hours. That’s not hyperbole. That’s waking up at 5am on a Saturday and working 14 hours and doing it again on Sunday. My average usually hovers around 65-70 hours a week. Yes, I come to DCUM on 5-minute breaks to unwind. That’s better than the alternative, like crying in the car (a coworker) or getting checked into the hospital for a panic attack (another coworker). My department lost 8 teachers (of 14) in 2 years and every single one of them said it was because of the workload. We lost 1 new teacher already this year and 2 others are actively looking to leave. I’m currently covering a class full-time during what would have been my planning period.

You say I have an attitude. I ask you: is this treatment okay? Should teachers simply accept that absurd hours are part of the job, or should the job change to become more bearable? Should I simply accept that I get 3 duty-free hours a week to complete over 30 hours of behind-the-scenes work?

I can’t accept that martyrdom is what you expect of teachers.

You have this backwards. I am a parent. I care about my children’s readiness for college and the world. No where in your post do you acknowledge that this is your job. Do I want you to work more or fewer hours? My response is - how will this affect my child’s education, something you failed to address. I asked earlier but no one responded - who decides the number, format, timing of homework and tests?

This is simple. Teacher burnout absolutely affects your child. We are exhausted and it is only November. Teachers are working 11-12 hour days with few breaks. We work weekends. Yes, your child’s experience is going to suffer. We aren’t robots. You understand that, correct? And when we continue to quit because of exhaustion, your child gets a rotating door of subs. So yes… this affects your child. Our working conditions DO matter more than you want them to.

Who decides? I do. I’m an AP teacher. I give meaningful work with meaningful feedback. That takes time. If I throw simple multiple-choice tests at your child, he/she won’t learn to write. Therefore, I decide to do a good job… which takes more TIME to prepare and grade. You’re welcome.

So, try supporting us. In doing so, you are also supporting your child.

I think you need to step away. This is burn out talking. Teaching, particularly long term teaching, isn’t for everyone. You are complaining about the very foundation of your job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
It's extremely deleterious for students' progress to not have their work back and be able to understand corrections in a timely manner. Beyond the quarter grading issue, it's a question of learning: they're learning so much at such speed in high school, that coming back to an essay or math unit from last month will seriously impact their memorization of facts and methods.

Most of my child's high school teachers grade in a timely manner. He's a senior, so he's had LOTS of high school teachers. There is absolutely NO excuse for late grading and MCPS should not allow it at all.

This is quite offensive. I’ll do my best to get essays graded in a timely manner, but I will not prioritize work over my own health or my own family any more than I already do. You get 13-15 hours a weekend ALREADY from me, and I refuse to give more. Frankly, to hear you demand that there is “no excuse” when things are late? Try to have a bit of compassion. I get very little time AT work to DO work.

I hope you are thanking those teachers for their timely feedback. They sacrificed time with their own families to give that feedback to your child.

DP. This is your chosen profession. For students to improve they need prompt, thorough feedback. That does not change because of the number of hours required, your life work-balance, etc. Honestly, there is nothing "offensive" about what children need to improve and requiring the professional paid to teach to provide it. Fortunately, most of my children's teachers do provide prompt feedback, but some of you are in the wrong profession if this is your attitude.

I’m the PP and I may be your child’s teacher. I do provide prompt feedback. I’m trying to explain to DCUM, however, the deep personal cost of that feedback. I worked 3 80-hour weeks last year. Yes, 80 hours. That’s not hyperbole. That’s waking up at 5am on a Saturday and working 14 hours and doing it again on Sunday. My average usually hovers around 65-70 hours a week. Yes, I come to DCUM on 5-minute breaks to unwind. That’s better than the alternative, like crying in the car (a coworker) or getting checked into the hospital for a panic attack (another coworker). My department lost 8 teachers (of 14) in 2 years and every single one of them said it was because of the workload. We lost 1 new teacher already this year and 2 others are actively looking to leave. I’m currently covering a class full-time during what would have been my planning period.

You say I have an attitude. I ask you: is this treatment okay? Should teachers simply accept that absurd hours are part of the job, or should the job change to become more bearable? Should I simply accept that I get 3 duty-free hours a week to complete over 30 hours of behind-the-scenes work?

I can’t accept that martyrdom is what you expect of teachers.

You have this backwards. I am a parent. I care about my children’s readiness for college and the world. No where in your post do you acknowledge that this is your job. Do I want you to work more or fewer hours? My response is - how will this affect my child’s education, something you failed to address. I asked earlier but no one responded - who decides the number, format, timing of homework and tests?

This is simple. Teacher burnout absolutely affects your child. We are exhausted and it is only November. Teachers are working 11-12 hour days with few breaks. We work weekends. Yes, your child’s experience is going to suffer. We aren’t robots. You understand that, correct? And when we continue to quit because of exhaustion, your child gets a rotating door of subs. So yes… this affects your child. Our working conditions DO matter more than you want them to.

Who decides? I do. I’m an AP teacher. I give meaningful work with meaningful feedback. That takes time. If I throw simple multiple-choice tests at your child, he/she won’t learn to write. Therefore, I decide to do a good job… which takes more TIME to prepare and grade. You’re welcome.

So, try supporting us. In doing so, you are also supporting your child.

I think you need to step away. This is burn out talking. Teaching, particularly long term teaching, isn’t for everyone. You are complaining about the very foundation of your job.

Hours in a week is a zero sum game. Prepping, teaching, grading, covering, answering the umpteenth email this week from the same damned parent, whatever.

Despite your belief that Larla is the center of the universe, teachers have to find a balance for it all.

[Anonymous]

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I think you need to step away. This is burn out talking. Teaching, particularly long term teaching, isn’t for everyone. You are complaining about the very foundation of your job.

NP here. I'd like to hear what you think the very foundation of the teaching profession is. Please be specific.

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It's extremely deleterious for students' progress to not have their work back and be able to understand corrections in a timely manner. Beyond the quarter grading issue, it's a question of learning: they're learning so much at such speed in high school, that coming back to an essay or math unit from last month will seriously impact their memorization of facts and methods.

Most of my child's high school teachers grade in a timely manner. He's a senior, so he's had LOTS of high school teachers. There is absolutely NO excuse for late grading and MCPS should not allow it at all.

This is quite offensive. I’ll do my best to get essays graded in a timely manner, but I will not prioritize work over my own health or my own family any more than I already do. You get 13-15 hours a weekend ALREADY from me, and I refuse to give more. Frankly, to hear you demand that there is “no excuse” when things are late? Try to have a bit of compassion. I get very little time AT work to DO work.

I hope you are thanking those teachers for their timely feedback. They sacrificed time with their own families to give that feedback to your child.

DP. This is your chosen profession. For students to improve they need prompt, thorough feedback. That does not change because of the number of hours required, your life work-balance, etc. Honestly, there is nothing "offensive" about what children need to improve and requiring the professional paid to teach to provide it. Fortunately, most of my children's teachers do provide prompt feedback, but some of you are in the wrong profession if this is your attitude.

I’m the PP and I may be your child’s teacher. I do provide prompt feedback. I’m trying to explain to DCUM, however, the deep personal cost of that feedback. I worked 3 80-hour weeks last year. Yes, 80 hours. That’s not hyperbole. That’s waking up at 5am on a Saturday and working 14 hours and doing it again on Sunday. My average usually hovers around 65-70 hours a week. Yes, I come to DCUM on 5-minute breaks to unwind. That’s better than the alternative, like crying in the car (a coworker) or getting checked into the hospital for a panic attack (another coworker). My department lost 8 teachers (of 14) in 2 years and every single one of them said it was because of the workload. We lost 1 new teacher already this year and 2 others are actively looking to leave. I’m currently covering a class full-time during what would have been my planning period.

You say I have an attitude. I ask you: is this treatment okay? Should teachers simply accept that absurd hours are part of the job, or should the job change to become more bearable? Should I simply accept that I get 3 duty-free hours a week to complete over 30 hours of behind-the-scenes work?

I can’t accept that martyrdom is what you expect of teachers.

You have this backwards. I am a parent. I care about my children’s readiness for college and the world. No where in your post do you acknowledge that this is your job. Do I want you to work more or fewer hours? My response is - how will this affect my child’s education, something you failed to address. I asked earlier but no one responded - who decides the number, format, timing of homework and tests?

This is simple. Teacher burnout absolutely affects your child. We are exhausted and it is only November. Teachers are working 11-12 hour days with few breaks. We work weekends. Yes, your child’s experience is going to suffer. We aren’t robots. You understand that, correct? And when we continue to quit because of exhaustion, your child gets a rotating door of subs. So yes… this affects your child. Our working conditions DO matter more than you want them to.

Who decides? I do. I’m an AP teacher. I give meaningful work with meaningful feedback. That takes time. If I throw simple multiple-choice tests at your child, he/she won’t learn to write. Therefore, I decide to do a good job… which takes more TIME to prepare and grade. You’re welcome.

So, try supporting us. In doing so, you are also supporting your child.

I think you need to step away. This is burn out talking. Teaching, particularly long term teaching, isn’t for everyone. You are complaining about the very foundation of your job.

Yes! I am! I’ve watched 8 teachers out of 14 quit in the last 2 years. I’m about to be the 9th! I’m in my 17th year of teaching. It’s getting exponentially harder. I’m out.

Who will be left to teach our children? Why is this so hard for DCUM to understand? We are asking teachers (no…. DEMANDING teachers) to give up every waking hour. A teacher needs to martyr themselves, putting up with 60-70 hour weeks “for the children.”

You say it “isn’t for everyone.” Who is it FOR? The rare person willing to work these hours for minimal pay and respect? Who is that person? I have almost 2 decades of experience and I haven’t met one.

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It's extremely deleterious for students' progress to not have their work back and be able to understand corrections in a timely manner. Beyond the quarter grading issue, it's a question of learning: they're learning so much at such speed in high school, that coming back to an essay or math unit from last month will seriously impact their memorization of facts and methods.

Most of my child's high school teachers grade in a timely manner. He's a senior, so he's had LOTS of high school teachers. There is absolutely NO excuse for late grading and MCPS should not allow it at all.

This is quite offensive. I’ll do my best to get essays graded in a timely manner, but I will not prioritize work over my own health or my own family any more than I already do. You get 13-15 hours a weekend ALREADY from me, and I refuse to give more. Frankly, to hear you demand that there is “no excuse” when things are late? Try to have a bit of compassion. I get very little time AT work to DO work.

I hope you are thanking those teachers for their timely feedback. They sacrificed time with their own families to give that feedback to your child.

DP. This is your chosen profession. For students to improve they need prompt, thorough feedback. That does not change because of the number of hours required, your life work-balance, etc. Honestly, there is nothing "offensive" about what children need to improve and requiring the professional paid to teach to provide it. Fortunately, most of my children's teachers do provide prompt feedback, but some of you are in the wrong profession if this is your attitude.

I’m the PP and I may be your child’s teacher. I do provide prompt feedback. I’m trying to explain to DCUM, however, the deep personal cost of that feedback. I worked 3 80-hour weeks last year. Yes, 80 hours. That’s not hyperbole. That’s waking up at 5am on a Saturday and working 14 hours and doing it again on Sunday. My average usually hovers around 65-70 hours a week. Yes, I come to DCUM on 5-minute breaks to unwind. That’s better than the alternative, like crying in the car (a coworker) or getting checked into the hospital for a panic attack (another coworker). My department lost 8 teachers (of 14) in 2 years and every single one of them said it was because of the workload. We lost 1 new teacher already this year and 2 others are actively looking to leave. I’m currently covering a class full-time during what would have been my planning period.

You say I have an attitude. I ask you: is this treatment okay? Should teachers simply accept that absurd hours are part of the job, or should the job change to become more bearable? Should I simply accept that I get 3 duty-free hours a week to complete over 30 hours of behind-the-scenes work?

I can’t accept that martyrdom is what you expect of teachers.

You have this backwards. I am a parent. I care about my children’s readiness for college and the world. No where in your post do you acknowledge that this is your job. Do I want you to work more or fewer hours? My response is - how will this affect my child’s education, something you failed to address. I asked earlier but no one responded - who decides the number, format, timing of homework and tests?

Her job is NOT to prepare your child for college and the world. WTF. She is 45min-90min a day with your kid, maybe 4 hours total a week. That is 0.02% of your childs week. GTFOH.

Some of you are or have experienced some terrible teachers.

Explain?

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It's extremely deleterious for students' progress to not have their work back and be able to understand corrections in a timely manner. Beyond the quarter grading issue, it's a question of learning: they're learning so much at such speed in high school, that coming back to an essay or math unit from last month will seriously impact their memorization of facts and methods.

Most of my child's high school teachers grade in a timely manner. He's a senior, so he's had LOTS of high school teachers. There is absolutely NO excuse for late grading and MCPS should not allow it at all.

This is quite offensive. I’ll do my best to get essays graded in a timely manner, but I will not prioritize work over my own health or my own family any more than I already do. You get 13-15 hours a weekend ALREADY from me, and I refuse to give more. Frankly, to hear you demand that there is “no excuse” when things are late? Try to have a bit of compassion. I get very little time AT work to DO work.

I hope you are thanking those teachers for their timely feedback. They sacrificed time with their own families to give that feedback to your child.

DP. This is your chosen profession. For students to improve they need prompt, thorough feedback. That does not change because of the number of hours required, your life work-balance, etc. Honestly, there is nothing "offensive" about what children need to improve and requiring the professional paid to teach to provide it. Fortunately, most of my children's teachers do provide prompt feedback, but some of you are in the wrong profession if this is your attitude.

I’m the PP and I may be your child’s teacher. I do provide prompt feedback. I’m trying to explain to DCUM, however, the deep personal cost of that feedback. I worked 3 80-hour weeks last year. Yes, 80 hours. That’s not hyperbole. That’s waking up at 5am on a Saturday and working 14 hours and doing it again on Sunday. My average usually hovers around 65-70 hours a week. Yes, I come to DCUM on 5-minute breaks to unwind. That’s better than the alternative, like crying in the car (a coworker) or getting checked into the hospital for a panic attack (another coworker). My department lost 8 teachers (of 14) in 2 years and every single one of them said it was because of the workload. We lost 1 new teacher already this year and 2 others are actively looking to leave. I’m currently covering a class full-time during what would have been my planning period.

You say I have an attitude. I ask you: is this treatment okay? Should teachers simply accept that absurd hours are part of the job, or should the job change to become more bearable? Should I simply accept that I get 3 duty-free hours a week to complete over 30 hours of behind-the-scenes work?

I can’t accept that martyrdom is what you expect of teachers.

You have this backwards. I am a parent. I care about my children’s readiness for college and the world. No where in your post do you acknowledge that this is your job. Do I want you to work more or fewer hours? My response is - how will this affect my child’s education, something you failed to address. I asked earlier but no one responded - who decides the number, format, timing of homework and tests?

This is simple. Teacher burnout absolutely affects your child. We are exhausted and it is only November. Teachers are working 11-12 hour days with few breaks. We work weekends. Yes, your child’s experience is going to suffer. We aren’t robots. You understand that, correct? And when we continue to quit because of exhaustion, your child gets a rotating door of subs. So yes… this affects your child. Our working conditions DO matter more than you want them to.

Who decides? I do. I’m an AP teacher. I give meaningful work with meaningful feedback. That takes time. If I throw simple multiple-choice tests at your child, he/she won’t learn to write. Therefore, I decide to do a good job… which takes more TIME to prepare and grade. You’re welcome.

So, try supporting us. In doing so, you are also supporting your child.

I think you need to step away. This is burn out talking. Teaching, particularly long term teaching, isn’t for everyone. You are complaining about the very foundation of your job.

Yes! I am! I’ve watched 8 teachers out of 14 quit in the last 2 years. I’m about to be the 9th! I’m in my 17th year of teaching. It’s getting exponentially harder. I’m out.

Who will be left to teach our children? Why is this so hard for DCUM to understand? We are asking teachers (no…. DEMANDING teachers) to give up every waking hour. A teacher needs to martyr themselves, putting up with 60-70 hour weeks “for the children.”

You say it “isn’t for everyone.” Who is it FOR? The rare person willing to work these hours for minimal pay and respect? Who is that person? I have almost 2 decades of experience and I haven’t met one.

What is your solution?

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It's extremely deleterious for students' progress to not have their work back and be able to understand corrections in a timely manner. Beyond the quarter grading issue, it's a question of learning: they're learning so much at such speed in high school, that coming back to an essay or math unit from last month will seriously impact their memorization of facts and methods.

Most of my child's high school teachers grade in a timely manner. He's a senior, so he's had LOTS of high school teachers. There is absolutely NO excuse for late grading and MCPS should not allow it at all.

This is quite offensive. I’ll do my best to get essays graded in a timely manner, but I will not prioritize work over my own health or my own family any more than I already do. You get 13-15 hours a weekend ALREADY from me, and I refuse to give more. Frankly, to hear you demand that there is “no excuse” when things are late? Try to have a bit of compassion. I get very little time AT work to DO work.

I hope you are thanking those teachers for their timely feedback. They sacrificed time with their own families to give that feedback to your child.

DP. This is your chosen profession. For students to improve they need prompt, thorough feedback. That does not change because of the number of hours required, your life work-balance, etc. Honestly, there is nothing "offensive" about what children need to improve and requiring the professional paid to teach to provide it. Fortunately, most of my children's teachers do provide prompt feedback, but some of you are in the wrong profession if this is your attitude.

I’m the PP and I may be your child’s teacher. I do provide prompt feedback. I’m trying to explain to DCUM, however, the deep personal cost of that feedback. I worked 3 80-hour weeks last year. Yes, 80 hours. That’s not hyperbole. That’s waking up at 5am on a Saturday and working 14 hours and doing it again on Sunday. My average usually hovers around 65-70 hours a week. Yes, I come to DCUM on 5-minute breaks to unwind. That’s better than the alternative, like crying in the car (a coworker) or getting checked into the hospital for a panic attack (another coworker). My department lost 8 teachers (of 14) in 2 years and every single one of them said it was because of the workload. We lost 1 new teacher already this year and 2 others are actively looking to leave. I’m currently covering a class full-time during what would have been my planning period.

You say I have an attitude. I ask you: is this treatment okay? Should teachers simply accept that absurd hours are part of the job, or should the job change to become more bearable? Should I simply accept that I get 3 duty-free hours a week to complete over 30 hours of behind-the-scenes work?

I can’t accept that martyrdom is what you expect of teachers.

You have this backwards. I am a parent. I care about my children’s readiness for college and the world. No where in your post do you acknowledge that this is your job. Do I want you to work more or fewer hours? My response is - how will this affect my child’s education, something you failed to address. I asked earlier but no one responded - who decides the number, format, timing of homework and tests?

This is simple. Teacher burnout absolutely affects your child. We are exhausted and it is only November. Teachers are working 11-12 hour days with few breaks. We work weekends. Yes, your child’s experience is going to suffer. We aren’t robots. You understand that, correct? And when we continue to quit because of exhaustion, your child gets a rotating door of subs. So yes… this affects your child. Our working conditions DO matter more than you want them to.

Who decides? I do. I’m an AP teacher. I give meaningful work with meaningful feedback. That takes time. If I throw simple multiple-choice tests at your child, he/she won’t learn to write. Therefore, I decide to do a good job… which takes more TIME to prepare and grade. You’re welcome.

So, try supporting us. In doing so, you are also supporting your child.

I think you need to step away. This is burn out talking. Teaching, particularly long term teaching, isn’t for everyone. You are complaining about the very foundation of your job.

Yes! I am! I’ve watched 8 teachers out of 14 quit in the last 2 years. I’m about to be the 9th! I’m in my 17th year of teaching. It’s getting exponentially harder. I’m out.

Who will be left to teach our children? Why is this so hard for DCUM to understand? We are asking teachers (no…. DEMANDING teachers) to give up every waking hour. A teacher needs to martyr themselves, putting up with 60-70 hour weeks “for the children.”

You say it “isn’t for everyone.” Who is it FOR? The rare person willing to work these hours for minimal pay and respect? Who is that person? I have almost 2 decades of experience and I haven’t met one.

What is your solution?

Let me get work done at work. Follow a European model. Let me teach for 20 hours a week and then plan / grade for the remaining 20. Don’t place me in front of students for 35 hours / week, expecting me to get all of my planning and grading done on off-hours. Respect that I need a work/life balance. Don’t demand 65+ hour weeks. Give me administrators who are experienced teachers. Ideally, give me administrators who STILL teach so they remember the challenges. Don’t take away my precious planning periods for pointless meetings.