Columbus Day

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a power grab. On the other hand, those who want to preserve the history of Columbus are pushing a Christian agenda on all of us.

How is it a power grab?

The power grab is certain groups of people wanting to change the narrative of our country to make less powerful populations more powerful and those traditionally that have held power in this country, less powerful. What do you think BLM is all about? Power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I celebrate both, you can acknowledge both.

How?

You can celebrate Hitler and the Jews?

Leave Hitler and Jews out of this. They are not comparable.

NP. I don’t think comparing tragedies is a winning approach. That said, genocide is genocide. Crazy, evil men get government backing and lots of followers, then use the power they’ve accumulated to spread hatred and death and their actions nearly wipe out entire groups of people. Columbus was a bad guy. He condoned brutality I couldn’t even dream of. Let’s not diminish the atrocities he’s responsible for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a power grab. On the other hand, those who want to preserve the history of Columbus are pushing a Christian agenda on all of us.

How is it a power grab?

The power grab is certain groups of people wanting to change the narrative of our country to make less powerful populations more powerful and those traditionally that have held power in this country, less powerful. What do you think BLM is all about? Power.

It's about not being killed by the police.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I celebrate both, you can acknowledge both.

How?

You can celebrate Hitler and the Jews?

Leave Hitler and Jews out of this. They are not comparable.

NP. I don’t think comparing tragedies is a winning approach. That said, genocide is genocide. Crazy, evil men get government backing and lots of followers, then use the power they’ve accumulated to spread hatred and death and their actions nearly wipe out entire groups of people. Columbus was a bad guy. He condoned brutality I couldn’t even dream of. Let’s not diminish the atrocities he’s responsible for.

What did Columbus do? I know he didn't actually "discover" America if that's the way you wan to see it, but what atrocities took place at that time, that Columbus condoned?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a power grab. On the other hand, those who want to preserve the history of Columbus are pushing a Christian agenda on all of us.

How is it a power grab?

The power grab is certain groups of people wanting to change the narrative of our country to make less powerful populations more powerful and those traditionally that have held power in this country, less powerful. What do you think BLM is all about? Power.

You’re saying it’s power. It sounds more like equality. Trying to gain power to be equal to the group that had all the power, not having a racial underclass, and putting everyone on equal footing based on race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I celebrate both, you can acknowledge both.

How?

You can celebrate Hitler and the Jews?

Leave Hitler and Jews out of this. They are not comparable.

NP. I don’t think comparing tragedies is a winning approach. That said, genocide is genocide. Crazy, evil men get government backing and lots of followers, then use the power they’ve accumulated to spread hatred and death and their actions nearly wipe out entire groups of people. Columbus was a bad guy. He condoned brutality I couldn’t even dream of. Let’s not diminish the atrocities he’s responsible for.

What did Columbus do? I know he didn't actually "discover" America if that's the way you wan to see it, but what atrocities took place at that time, that Columbus condoned?

Didn't just condone, directed. Look up the Lucayan in the Bahamas. They were inconvenient to him so he wiped them out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I celebrate both, you can acknowledge both.

How?

You can celebrate Hitler and the Jews?

Leave Hitler and Jews out of this. They are not comparable.

NP. I don’t think comparing tragedies is a winning approach. That said, genocide is genocide. Crazy, evil men get government backing and lots of followers, then use the power they’ve accumulated to spread hatred and death and their actions nearly wipe out entire groups of people. Columbus was a bad guy. He condoned brutality I couldn’t even dream of. Let’s not diminish the atrocities he’s responsible for.

What did Columbus do? I know he didn't actually "discover" America if that's the way you wan to see it, but what atrocities took place at that time, that Columbus condoned?

Enslavement, murder, rape, theft, dismemberment… the list is long. When his crew couldn’t find enough gold to steal, they issued a quota for indigenous people to fill. If they didn’t bring him enough gold, they’d cut off their hands. When Columbus gave up on gold he captured a bunch as slaves to take back to Europe to sell. Many didn’t survive the voyage. And the rape. So much rape of women and children. Sex slaves, random rapes, whatever the white men wanted.

[Anonymous]

He was also known as a dirt bag by his contemporaries. I don't get why we revere him here except that he's the poster child for white supremacy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a power grab. On the other hand, those who want to preserve the history of Columbus are pushing a Christian agenda on all of us.

How is it a power grab?

The power grab is certain groups of people wanting to change the narrative of our country to make less powerful populations more powerful and those traditionally that have held power in this country, less powerful. What do you think BLM is all about? Power.

You’re saying it’s power. It sounds more like equality. Trying to gain power to be equal to the group that had all the power, not having a racial underclass, and putting everyone on equal footing based on race.

No, it’s about special treatment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a power grab. On the other hand, those who want to preserve the history of Columbus are pushing a Christian agenda on all of us.

How is it a power grab?

The power grab is certain groups of people wanting to change the narrative of our country to make less powerful populations more powerful and those traditionally that have held power in this country, less powerful. What do you think BLM is all about? Power.

It's about not being killed by the police.

Right. It's about power. There's a reason that it's not about making the black population safer in general -- just safer from police. It's because police have power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My grandparents were Italian immigrants in the early 1900s. So for them, Columbus Day was always important given the history of the events preceding the holiday.
However, in our small nuclear family we think of this day as immigrants day in Lou of Columbus Day in addition to indigenous peoples day. So perhaps a melting pot day.

+1. It always blows my mind that people don’t know why “Columbus Day” became a thing, or why people whose last names end in vowels might be a little salty that it’s been taken away.

It blows your mind? Columbus Day is a really f**king obscure way to celebrate Italian Americans. A son of Genoa with an Anglicized name sailing for Spain because Portugal wouldn't have him? A holiday named after a specific person focused on a singular event that had basically nothing to do with Italy? Can't imagine why people might miss that detail. Mind blowing, really.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I celebrate both, you can acknowledge both.

How?

You can celebrate Hitler and the Jews?

Leave Hitler and Jews out of this. They are not comparable.

NP. I don’t think comparing tragedies is a winning approach. That said, genocide is genocide. Crazy, evil men get government backing and lots of followers, then use the power they’ve accumulated to spread hatred and death and their actions nearly wipe out entire groups of people. Columbus was a bad guy. He condoned brutality I couldn’t even dream of. Let’s not diminish the atrocities he’s responsible for.

What did Columbus do? I know he didn't actually "discover" America if that's the way you wan to see it, but what atrocities took place at that time, that Columbus condoned?

Enslavement, murder, rape, theft, dismemberment… the list is long. When his crew couldn’t find enough gold to steal, they issued a quota for indigenous people to fill. If they didn’t bring him enough gold, they’d cut off their hands. When Columbus gave up on gold he captured a bunch as slaves to take back to Europe to sell. Many didn’t survive the voyage. And the rape. So much rape of women and children. Sex slaves, random rapes, whatever the white men wanted.

Straight from Howard Zinn… have you read any critiques of the propagandist, de las Casas? Any serious historical scholarship that doesn’t come from a K-12 teacher?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I celebrate both, you can acknowledge both.

How?

You can celebrate Hitler and the Jews?

Leave Hitler and Jews out of this. They are not comparable.

NP. I don’t think comparing tragedies is a winning approach. That said, genocide is genocide. Crazy, evil men get government backing and lots of followers, then use the power they’ve accumulated to spread hatred and death and their actions nearly wipe out entire groups of people. Columbus was a bad guy. He condoned brutality I couldn’t even dream of. Let’s not diminish the atrocities he’s responsible for.

What did Columbus do? I know he didn't actually "discover" America if that's the way you wan to see it, but what atrocities took place at that time, that Columbus condoned?

Enslavement, murder, rape, theft, dismemberment… the list is long. When his crew couldn’t find enough gold to steal, they issued a quota for indigenous people to fill. If they didn’t bring him enough gold, they’d cut off their hands. When Columbus gave up on gold he captured a bunch as slaves to take back to Europe to sell. Many didn’t survive the voyage. And the rape. So much rape of women and children. Sex slaves, random rapes, whatever the white men wanted.

Cancel them all

[Anonymous]

For me, it's a day off of work, nothing more. Was never celebrated where I lived in the US previously, so no time off.

[Anonymous]

You can use primary sources to decide for yourself whether Columbus deserves to be honored. This entry appears in his own log: ""A hundred castellanoes are as easily obtained for a woman as for a farm, and it is very general and there are plenty of dealers who go about looking for girls; those from nine to ten are now in demand."