WaPo editorial board: people are scared of crime

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think juvenile carjackings are terrifying and a real problem, but I think it would probably work better to improve technological deterrents to doing it over putting the offenders in jail for a decade.

Let me guess, you advocate for things like pumping classical music at China Town metro, which has been tried, as one of your super effective means of lowering loitering and fighting and robberies, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think juvenile carjackings are terrifying and a real problem, but I think it would probably work better to improve technological deterrents to doing it over putting the offenders in jail for a decade.

What type of technological deterrent? Like a spike strips for kids on atvs? I have no idea what you mean? Like tracking cell phones or something?

Same. What do you mean??

Car theft= stealing a car that's in someone's driveway. This is harder to do now because it's harder to hotwire cars.

Car jacking= someone opening your car doors while you're in the car (gas station, stop light or parking your car), forcing you out by gunpoint and driving away with your kids in the backseat. There isn't a way to deter this with technology. I mean they often have the keys and the car is running.

One technological deterrent is running electricity through carjackers’ bodies until their hearts stop. Just sayin’

Or drivers starting to carry guns. If things get out of control, what do you think will happen logically speaking? When carjackers will start getting shot in the face, those thinking about committing these crimes may start thinking twice. Punishment at the hands of anxious and angry citizens might be much worse than what legal system may have in store for them. And if legal system ceases to function then citizens will start taking justice in their own hands. Not where we want to go!

We will turn into the 3rd world city where well-to-do residents are hiding behind secure fences or in secure buildings, and where businesses catering to affluent hire security professionals and police themselves. Middle classes will leave the city for safer options that they can still afford. And those too poor and relying on public services of the city will be trapped having to protect themselves with whatever weapons they can legally or illegally procure. Fun times.

Always so depressing going down to South America and seeing how people live... eight foot walls, steel bars, wire and wired fences. I'm afraid this is the future unless things change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Eh we live with the constant threat of mass shootings because of the gun lobby. Now we’ll live with the constant threat of mugging, rape, assault, and car jacking because of “defund the police” and cancel culture.

We made this bed now we have to lie in it.

Signed,

Someone who was recently mugged and assaulted by a homeless man. No one cares about victims anymore.

I think we have redefined the word "victim"... It's no longer the person on the receiving end of the crime.

Agreed

[Anonymous]

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I no longer go running in my neighborhood (H Street) because of recent uptick in shootings, stabbings, and car jackings in broad daylight. I'm very progressive but don't by into the "abolish the police" nonsense. It would be one thing if we were identifying and implementing crime abatement policies that were actually doing anything, but we're not. You can't abolish the police if you aren't doing anything to prevent or deter crime. The violence interruptor BS is just that -- BS.

I truly believe if we adopted more progressive social policies -- universal health care, low cost or free college, improved supports for the unemployed and families (not just money but actual support in the form of job training and placement, affordable housing, etc.), we'd find we could reduce our emphasis on police and prison. But you can't just abandon our current means of crime abatement without addressing the lack of social support. It won't work, as we are currently seeing.


Education is the key, without education reform not much will change. And one part of it is recognizing that not everyone needs to go to college in its traditional sense, and providing viable professional training programs (trade schools) and paths outside of 4 year colleges is the key. Free and affordable education options, ways to opt out of last 1-2 years of traditional HS by creating blended education allowing getting your GED together with some skills you can use right upon graduation. Maybe rethink community colleges and make them more practical? Maybe rethink how we hire people, getting paths to young people with internships and apprenticeships into real world experience vs. telling them lingering in low paying service jobs is the only way outside of traditional 4 college degree.
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We certainly need all of the above, but the juveniles doing the carjackings, beatdowns of neighborhood dads with basketball hoops, and murders are too far gone to be saved by these programs, unless they are forced into them in a juvenile residential facility. The violent need to be locked away from the rest of us. I am all for them being educated and trained for productive employment, but that needs to be done WHILE they are locked away for some period of time. Otherwise they are not going to participate. And the police know the several hundred violent juveniles in the city who are the repeat offenders causing 90% of the problems. And get real about affordable housing. There is a LOT of "deeply affordable" housing in DC where poverty, crime and poor choices are multi-generational. Simply providing more affordable housing without requiring participation in the educational work programs described above does not help. People simply do not realize how much being able to take advantage of apprenticeship programs is dependent on coming into it equipped with the human capital work ethic skills to be successful. A kid who has grown up in public housing where no adult around them has held down a regular job and gotten up to go to work is already starting from behind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think juvenile carjackings are terrifying and a real problem, but I think it would probably work better to improve technological deterrents to doing it over putting the offenders in jail for a decade.

What type of technological deterrent? Like a spike strips for kids on atvs? I have no idea what you mean? Like tracking cell phones or something?

Same. What do you mean??

Car theft= stealing a car that's in someone's driveway. This is harder to do now because it's harder to hotwire cars.

Car jacking= someone opening your car doors while you're in the car (gas station, stop light or parking your car), forcing you out by gunpoint and driving away with your kids in the backseat. There isn't a way to deter this with technology. I mean they often have the keys and the car is running.

One technological deterrent is running electricity through carjackers’ bodies until their hearts stop. Just sayin’

Or drivers starting to carry guns. If things get out of control, what do you think will happen logically speaking? When carjackers will start getting shot in the face, those thinking about committing these crimes may start thinking twice. Punishment at the hands of anxious and angry citizens might be much worse than what legal system may have in store for them. And if legal system ceases to function then citizens will start taking justice in their own hands. Not where we want to go!

We will turn into the 3rd world city where well-to-do residents are hiding behind secure fences or in secure buildings, and where businesses catering to affluent hire security professionals and police themselves. Middle classes will leave the city for safer options that they can still afford. And those too poor and relying on public services of the city will be trapped having to protect themselves with whatever weapons they can legally or illegally procure. Fun times.

Always so depressing going down to South America and seeing how people live... eight foot walls, steel bars, wire and wired fences. I'm afraid this is the future unless things change.

Because they don't have police? Or because that's how things are when you depress the opportunities for the vast majority of people to thrive? See they have police, but

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I no longer go running in my neighborhood (H Street) because of recent uptick in shootings, stabbings, and car jackings in broad daylight. I'm very progressive but don't by into the "abolish the police" nonsense. It would be one thing if we were identifying and implementing crime abatement policies that were actually doing anything, but we're not. You can't abolish the police if you aren't doing anything to prevent or deter crime. The violence interruptor BS is just that -- BS.

I truly believe if we adopted more progressive social policies -- universal health care, low cost or free college, improved supports for the unemployed and families (not just money but actual support in the form of job training and placement, affordable housing, etc.), we'd find we could reduce our emphasis on police and prison. But you can't just abandon our current means of crime abatement without addressing the lack of social support. It won't work, as we are currently seeing.


Education is the key, without education reform not much will change. And one part of it is recognizing that not everyone needs to go to college in its traditional sense, and providing viable professional training programs (trade schools) and paths outside of 4 year colleges is the key. Free and affordable education options, ways to opt out of last 1-2 years of traditional HS by creating blended education allowing getting your GED together with some skills you can use right upon graduation. Maybe rethink community colleges and make them more practical? Maybe rethink how we hire people, getting paths to young people with internships and apprenticeships into real world experience vs. telling them lingering in low paying service jobs is the only way outside of traditional 4 college degree.
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We certainly need all of the above, but the juveniles doing the carjackings, beatdowns of neighborhood dads with basketball hoops, and murders are too far gone to be saved by these programs, unless they are forced into them in a juvenile residential facility. The violent need to be locked away from the rest of us. I am all for them being educated and trained for productive employment, but that needs to be done WHILE they are locked away for some period of time. Otherwise they are not going to participate. And the police know the several hundred violent juveniles in the city who are the repeat offenders causing 90% of the problems. And get real about affordable housing. There is a LOT of "deeply affordable" housing in DC where poverty, crime and poor choices are multi-generational. Simply providing more affordable housing without requiring participation in the educational work programs described above does not help. People simply do not realize how much being able to take advantage of apprenticeship programs is dependent on coming into it equipped with the human capital work ethic skills to be successful. A kid who has grown up in public housing where no adult around them has held down a regular job and gotten up to go to work is already starting from behind.

I absolutely agree with all you said. We shouldn't be unleashing violent criminals on the streets. We also should try to keep mentally ill and addicted off the streets too. If we turn our streets into mental health asylums, drug dens, and prison yards for the criminals then peaceful citizen will start building walls, arming themselves, or simply fleeing the city. Taxpayers can only deal with so much degeneracy around them before they throw in a towel and take their tax dollars with them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WaPo editorial board is closet (or maybe not so closet) conservative. They aren't the liberal champions the right paints them to be.

... says Stalin.

I suppose they look liberal if your normal news comes from Tucker Carlson?

Nah. Stalinists base their judgements off of political party affiliation . Like the ones that starved Ukrainians, because they weren’t pro Stalin. It starts out like that poster dismissing the editorial because they deem the board conservative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think juvenile carjackings are terrifying and a real problem, but I think it would probably work better to improve technological deterrents to doing it over putting the offenders in jail for a decade.

What type of technological deterrent? Like a spike strips for kids on atvs? I have no idea what you mean? Like tracking cell phones or something?

Same. What do you mean??

Car theft= stealing a car that's in someone's driveway. This is harder to do now because it's harder to hotwire cars.

Car jacking= someone opening your car doors while you're in the car (gas station, stop light or parking your car), forcing you out by gunpoint and driving away with your kids in the backseat. There isn't a way to deter this with technology. I mean they often have the keys and the car is running.

One technological deterrent is running electricity through carjackers’ bodies until their hearts stop. Just sayin’

Or drivers starting to carry guns. If things get out of control, what do you think will happen logically speaking? When carjackers will start getting shot in the face, those thinking about committing these crimes may start thinking twice. Punishment at the hands of anxious and angry citizens might be much worse than what legal system may have in store for them. And if legal system ceases to function then citizens will start taking justice in their own hands. Not where we want to go!

We will turn into the 3rd world city where well-to-do residents are hiding behind secure fences or in secure buildings, and where businesses catering to affluent hire security professionals and police themselves. Middle classes will leave the city for safer options that they can still afford. And those too poor and relying on public services of the city will be trapped having to protect themselves with whatever weapons they can legally or illegally procure. Fun times.

Always so depressing going down to South America and seeing how people live... eight foot walls, steel bars, wire and wired fences. I'm afraid this is the future unless things change.

Because they don't have police? Or because that's how things are when you depress the opportunities for the vast majority of people to thrive? See they have police, but

I think "opportunities for people to thrive" is up for a debate, and these debates tend to be long and heated. With all our flaws we are still far away from 3rd world when it comes to opportunities. But we are definitely getting closer when it comes to enabling degeneracy to rule our streets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I no longer go running in my neighborhood (H Street) because of recent uptick in shootings, stabbings, and car jackings in broad daylight. I'm very progressive but don't by into the "abolish the police" nonsense. It would be one thing if we were identifying and implementing crime abatement policies that were actually doing anything, but we're not. You can't abolish the police if you aren't doing anything to prevent or deter crime. The violence interruptor BS is just that -- BS.

I truly believe if we adopted more progressive social policies -- universal health care, low cost or free college, improved supports for the unemployed and families (not just money but actual support in the form of job training and placement, affordable housing, etc.), we'd find we could reduce our emphasis on police and prison. But you can't just abandon our current means of crime abatement without addressing the lack of social support. It won't work, as we are currently seeing.

Education is the key, without education reform not much will change. And one part of it is recognizing that not everyone needs to go to college in its traditional sense, and providing viable professional training programs (trade schools) and paths outside of 4 year colleges is the key. Free and affordable education options, ways to opt out of last 1-2 years of traditional HS by creating blended education allowing getting your GED together with some skills you can use right upon graduation. Maybe rethink community colleges and make them more practical? Maybe rethink how we hire people, getting paths to young people with internships and apprenticeships into real world experience vs. telling them lingering in low paying service jobs is the only way outside of traditional 4 college degree.

We already have those things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Eh we live with the constant threat of mass shootings because of the gun lobby. Now we’ll live with the constant threat of mugging, rape, assault, and car jacking because of “defund the police” and cancel culture.

We made this bed now we have to lie in it.

Signed,

Someone who was recently mugged and assaulted by a homeless man. No one cares about victims anymore.

It simply comes down to lowering statistics. They are not pleasant, so there is this progressive movement to kind of allow certain crimes or send less people to jail to make crime stats look better. It’s the same with education and getting rid of ap classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Eh we live with the constant threat of mass shootings because of the gun lobby. Now we’ll live with the constant threat of mugging, rape, assault, and car jacking because of “defund the police” and cancel culture.

We made this bed now we have to lie in it.

Signed,

Someone who was recently mugged and assaulted by a homeless man. No one cares about victims anymore.

I think we have redefined the word "victim"... It's no longer the person on the receiving end of the crime.

Agreed

Victim = Dem voter who expects things to improve with Dems in power

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think juvenile carjackings are terrifying and a real problem, but I think it would probably work better to improve technological deterrents to doing it over putting the offenders in jail for a decade.

What type of technological deterrent? Like a spike strips for kids on atvs? I have no idea what you mean? Like tracking cell phones or something?

Same. What do you mean??

Car theft= stealing a car that's in someone's driveway. This is harder to do now because it's harder to hotwire cars.

Car jacking= someone opening your car doors while you're in the car (gas station, stop light or parking your car), forcing you out by gunpoint and driving away with your kids in the backseat. There isn't a way to deter this with technology. I mean they often have the keys and the car is running.

One technological deterrent is running electricity through carjackers’ bodies until their hearts stop. Just sayin’

Or drivers starting to carry guns. If things get out of control, what do you think will happen logically speaking? When carjackers will start getting shot in the face, those thinking about committing these crimes may start thinking twice. Punishment at the hands of anxious and angry citizens might be much worse than what legal system may have in store for them. And if legal system ceases to function then citizens will start taking justice in their own hands. Not where we want to go!

We will turn into the 3rd world city where well-to-do residents are hiding behind secure fences or in secure buildings, and where businesses catering to affluent hire security professionals and police themselves. Middle classes will leave the city for safer options that they can still afford. And those too poor and relying on public services of the city will be trapped having to protect themselves with whatever weapons they can legally or illegally procure. Fun times.

Always so depressing going down to South America and seeing how people live... eight foot walls, steel bars, wire and wired fences. I'm afraid this is the future unless things change.

Because they don't have police? Or because that's how things are when you depress the opportunities for the vast majority of people to thrive? See they have police, but

No, it's a different more feudal culture. There are major historical differences that are apparent today.

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Obviously you cannot just let people rot in prison. But I would like to understand the process through how these reforms will result in reduced crime.

Homicides are higher than they have ever been since 2003 and rising. How do these reforms turn that trend around?

[Anonymous]

Charles Allen MUST be removed as Chairman of the Judiciary Committee!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Obviously you cannot just let people rot in prison. But I would like to understand the process through how these reforms will result in reduced crime.

Homicides are higher than they have ever been since 2003 and rising. How do these reforms turn that trend around?

You surely mean, how come advocates haven't realized to far that these reforms lead to more crime, more victims, and more minorities in jail?