Do you have to live in Virginia all four years your kids are in college there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That will be a very expensive move. UVA OOS tuition is astronomical. The bottom line is, there is no way you can move and get in-state tuition. Many have tried, they are well aware of all the tricks and I have never once heard of anyone pulling it off- in any state- and I work in higher ed.

I’m the PP who moved out of state after 20 years and it did work for me, but probably because we never told the school that we moved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That will be a very expensive move. UVA OOS tuition is astronomical. The bottom line is, there is no way you can move and get in-state tuition. Many have tried, they are well aware of all the tricks and I have never once heard of anyone pulling it off- in any state- and I work in higher ed.

I’m the PP who moved out of state after 20 years and it did work for me, but probably because we never told the school that we moved.

If you never change your address, how do they know? Do they check every year?
We have a tuition waiver for Virginia and they absolutely check it every year and scrutinize it. But the triggering thing was my OOS address.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That will be a very expensive move. UVA OOS tuition is astronomical. The bottom line is, there is no way you can move and get in-state tuition. Many have tried, they are well aware of all the tricks and I have never once heard of anyone pulling it off- in any state- and I work in higher ed.

I’m the PP who moved out of state after 20 years and it did work for me, but probably because we never told the school that we moved.

If you never change your address, how do they know? Do they check every year?
We have a tuition waiver for Virginia and they absolutely check it every year and scrutinize it. But the triggering thing was my OOS address.

DP. They don’t check. They don’t know unless you tell them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That will be a very expensive move. UVA OOS tuition is astronomical. The bottom line is, there is no way you can move and get in-state tuition. Many have tried, they are well aware of all the tricks and I have never once heard of anyone pulling it off- in any state- and I work in higher ed.

I’m the PP who moved out of state after 20 years and it did work for me, but probably because we never told the school that we moved.

If you never change your address, how do they know? Do they check every year?
We have a tuition waiver for Virginia and they absolutely check it every year and scrutinize it. But the triggering thing was my OOS address.

What’s a tuition waiver with an OOS address? I don’t understand . . .

In any event, no, no one ever checked our address once our daughter started UVA. Everything was also sent to us electronically and never by regular mail. We’d get an electronic notice that tuition was due, and we paid it. That was that. We probably committed fraud ha ha

[Anonymous]

A ha - OP, do you work in VA? If you do and pay VA income tax, then you might be able to swing it. But obviously, talk to a good accountant who knows SALT stuff well.

https://law.justia.com/codes/virginia/2014/title-23/section-23-7.4-2

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She could establish residency herself but you would no longer be able to claim her on taxes, car insurance, health insurance, etc

It requires more than that. The student would have to prove (a) that she is self-supporting, and (b) that she is not primarily living in VA to go to school. What would that look like? Working 40 hrs a week at a job that pays wnough to cover rent/food/transportation, and only going to school parttime.

Self-supporting could also be existence of a 529 or UGMA account. I got in-state tuition at 21 in Fla after living there for a year, based on the assets in my UGMA account because my part-time serving job certainly wasn’t paying the bills alone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She could establish residency herself but you would no longer be able to claim her on taxes, car insurance, health insurance, etc

It requires more than that. The student would have to prove (a) that she is self-supporting, and (b) that she is not primarily living in VA to go to school. What would that look like? Working 40 hrs a week at a job that pays wnough to cover rent/food/transportation, and only going to school parttime.

Self-supporting could also be existence of a 529 or UGMA account. I got in-state tuition at 21 in Fla after living there for a year, based on the assets in my UGMA account because my part-time serving job certainly wasn’t paying the bills alone.

That’s Florida, not Virginia. Every state is different, and referring to another state just isn’t helpful.

[Anonymous]

I'm an attorney and among other things, lying about residency for the purposes of getting in state tuition is actually illegal in most states, including Virginia. You can be charged with theft for the amount of the difference in tuition plus penalties and fees- as a well as a conviction on your record. This is not only theoretical there is actual case law of this happening.

I sympathize, especially since I pay OOS tuition myself, but this is not something I would recommend attempting. The PP got very, very lucky.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A ha - OP, do you work in VA? If you do and pay VA income tax, then you might be able to swing it. But obviously, talk to a good accountant who knows SALT stuff well.

https://law.justia.com/codes/virginia/2014/title-23/section-23-7.4-2

oops, this is more current version of the Code https://law.justia.com/codes/virginia/2021/title-23-1/chapter-5/section-23-1-506/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That will be a very expensive move. UVA OOS tuition is astronomical. The bottom line is, there is no way you can move and get in-state tuition. Many have tried, they are well aware of all the tricks and I have never once heard of anyone pulling it off- in any state- and I work in higher ed.

Welp, a poster above you described how her family did just that.

[Anonymous]

Interesting discussion. 30 years ago I was told if you filed your previous years tax return for the state of VA, then you qualified for in state tuition. Maybe that is buried somewhere in the financial info?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your DD can establish VA residency on her own. She needs to change her permanent address to where she lives.

Then wouldn’t every OOS student do that and IS tuition?

It's more than the moment, you need to be in state for a longer period of time and establish residency

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm an attorney and among other things, lying about residency for the purposes of getting in state tuition is actually illegal in most states, including Virginia. You can be charged with theft for the amount of the difference in tuition plus penalties and fees- as a well as a conviction on your record. This is not only theoretical there is actual case law of this happening.

I sympathize, especially since I pay OOS tuition myself, but this is not something I would recommend attempting. The PP got very, very lucky.

HAHAHAHA Speeding is illegal too but we do it every day.

[Anonymous]

You’re laughing because I don’t endorse fraud against the state and taxpayers of Virginia? Yeah, funny.

[Anonymous]

I’m the PP who moved out of state when my kid was still a UVA student. It appears the law has changed. According to UVA’s website:

1. “If an enrolled student's parent moves from Virginia, the student is expected to notify the Office of Virginia Status of the parent's move. The student has a two academic term ‘grace-period’ of continued entitlement to in-state tuition . . . Where a parent is no longer a Virginia domicile and the two term grace-period has passed, the student may seek continued entitlement for in state tuition. Under these circumstances, the student will complete an Application for Virginia Student Status. The student may claim either the establishment of an independent Virginia domicile despite the parent's move or seek continued entitlement under the Tuition Equity Provision.”

2. Under the “Tuition Equity Provision,” a student who proves that she “attended a Virginia high school for at least two years and graduated from a Virginia high school after 2008” and whose parents or guardians paid VA income taxes during that time is entitled to continued in state tuition.

The “tuition equity provision” was adopted primarily to make it easier for undocumented immigrants living in Virginia to get Virginia residency for college tuition purposes, but it also benefited all students who graduated from Virginia high schools after 2008 whose parents moved out of state after they enrolled in college.

In our case, the one thing we did not do was notify the school that we the parents had moved. Had we done so, we clearly would have continued to qualify for in-state tuition. So, no harm no foul.

OP here is the link:

https://vastatus.virginia.edu/virginia-domicile-requirements