Preschools mandating COVID vaccines

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t see what’s there to discuss. If it doesn’t work for you (it wouldn’t for me) you change the schools.
I held my kid back from a summer program at on private school premises because of the mandate there.

DP. Not all of us have access to an easy alternative. It’s hard enough to get a spot in daycare in DC. My child is older so this is more about camp and school - and there are very few camps that work for him, and I can’t have him excluded from school due to vaccination status. So, I have no choice. Current camp just announced that 5-11s also have to be boosted and that really pisses me off. We were not convinced about boosters and wanted to wait until the fall when there’s a covid wave anticipation, and the omicron versions might be available.

I get it. But again what is there to discuss?
Unfortunately all we have left is fuming over insane policies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Our country is falling apart because conservatives elected Trump president. The rest of us aren’t to blame, sorry not sorry.

I certainly agree that is one major factor. But you're pretty much proving my point for me. Instant, knee-jerk reaction to blame others. I would argue that anyone who silences discussion or who can't have a civil discussion with people who don't think exactly like they do IS to blame. Nice try passing the blame though. Like I said, closed-mindedness will be the death of our country. And it should be obvious to everyone by now that both parties do the same dirty, win at all costs, lying, propaganda, and manipulation. Both sides can be equally awful. I hope more people wise up and stop being non-thinking cult members of whichever party they've chosen. The irony when the far-left goes hysterical over the far-right boggles the mind. I find both extremes to be just that. Everybody just seems to want to drink their version of kool-aid. I just really wish we had a moderate, normal, non-screeching third party. *sigh*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ours in VA is mandating vaccines. First shot has to be done by August. So grateful; I would only choose a preschool with a vaccine mandate.

Why is that? You know the vaccines don't do much to protect against symptomatic disease, and there's no evidence they protect against severe disease in this age group?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ours in VA is mandating vaccines. First shot has to be done by August. So grateful; I would only choose a preschool with a vaccine mandate.

Why is that? You know the vaccines don't do much to protect against symptomatic disease, and there's no evidence they protect against severe disease in this age group?

This is not true. Scroll down to the 10:20 AM update.

https://www.statnews.com/2022/06/15/tracking-an-fda-advisory-panel-meeting-on-covid-vaccines-in-young-children/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ours in VA is mandating vaccines. First shot has to be done by August. So grateful; I would only choose a preschool with a vaccine mandate.

Why is that? You know the vaccines don't do much to protect against symptomatic disease, and there's no evidence they protect against severe disease in this age group?

This is not true. Scroll down to the 10:20 AM update.

https://www.statnews.com/2022/06/15/tracking-an-fda-advisory-panel-meeting-on-covid-vaccines-in-young-children/

Also the vaccine helps reduce pressure on the hospitals, so it’s for the societal good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ours in VA is mandating vaccines. First shot has to be done by August. So grateful; I would only choose a preschool with a vaccine mandate.

Why is that? You know the vaccines don't do much to protect against symptomatic disease, and there's no evidence they protect against severe disease in this age group?

This is not true. Scroll down to the 10:20 AM update.

https://www.statnews.com/2022/06/15/tracking-an-fda-advisory-panel-meeting-on-covid-vaccines-in-young-children/

This was an interesting tidbit from that section: “But there was also a problem researchers didn’t expect when they designed the study. The parents of very little children, those younger than 2 years old, didn’t want to bring them in for sick visits during the Omicron wave. That meant they couldn’t get the PCR results that Moderna was using as the main measure of Covid in the study.”

Why on earth would you sign up for a vaccine trial if you were t willing to get your kid tested when needed?? This is baffling to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ours in VA is mandating vaccines. First shot has to be done by August. So grateful; I would only choose a preschool with a vaccine mandate.

Why is that? You know the vaccines don't do much to protect against symptomatic disease, and there's no evidence they protect against severe disease in this age group?

This is not true. Scroll down to the 10:20 AM update.

https://www.statnews.com/2022/06/15/tracking-an-fda-advisory-panel-meeting-on-covid-vaccines-in-young-children/

The confidence interval in that slide is enormous. It means you can't make heads or tails of the data. Sorry, that's extremely weak if that's your "evidence."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ours in VA is mandating vaccines. First shot has to be done by August. So grateful; I would only choose a preschool with a vaccine mandate.

Why is that? You know the vaccines don't do much to protect against symptomatic disease, and there's no evidence they protect against severe disease in this age group?

This is not true. Scroll down to the 10:20 AM update.

https://www.statnews.com/2022/06/15/tracking-an-fda-advisory-panel-meeting-on-covid-vaccines-in-young-children/

Also the vaccine helps reduce pressure on the hospitals, so it’s for the societal good.

There is no evidence that the vaccine reduces severe disease in young kids at this point--absolutely none. Go ahead and read through the FDA briefing documents and see for yourself. Severe disease leads to hospitalization. Sorry, that claim is just wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So DCUM is deleting posts that ask questions about the wisdom of vaxing very young children? That's awful! My fam is all vaxxed, but I personally wouldn't vax a toddler for covid, neither would I criticize anyone who who chose that option. To each their own. Its a lot like other medical decisions that are now being restricted. Why ok in one area but not others? Silencing reasonable discussion is abhorent. I guess this post will get deleted. I can't understand the desire to silence and control people. I agree with PP that silencing people just leads to entrenchment. Our country is falling apart - and I believe ultimately will collapse - because there are almost no moderate politicians anymore. The closed silos of both parties is horrific to me. And now so many people do the same thing in their personal life and refuse to speak or interact with anyone who thinks differently than they do. Aren't we all supposed to value diversity? I l love diversity, whether race, religion, or politics. It's how we learn from each other. I can't imagine only being around clones of myself. How boring! Shutting off dissenting opinions is truly sophomoric. And sad. Especially about something that actual MDs disagree about. Ask me how I know... If you have to shut down opposing positions on anything, it means you have a weak case. Make better arguments. Prove your case. The closed mindedness of people these days is just so heartbreaking.

Our country is falling apart because conservatives elected Trump president. The rest of us aren’t to blame, sorry not sorry.

It is truly shocking how oblivious democrats are to what they are doing. The economist has an issue this week with the cover “wake up, democrats!” You should read it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ours in VA is mandating vaccines. First shot has to be done by August. So grateful; I would only choose a preschool with a vaccine mandate.

Why is that? You know the vaccines don't do much to protect against symptomatic disease, and there's no evidence they protect against severe disease in this age group?

This is not true. Scroll down to the 10:20 AM update.

https://www.statnews.com/2022/06/15/tracking-an-fda-advisory-panel-meeting-on-covid-vaccines-in-young-children/

The confidence interval in that slide is enormous. It means you can't make heads or tails of the data. Sorry, that's extremely weak if that's your "evidence."

The confidence interval is 32.4-67.9; i.e. well above 0. The vaccine clearly prevents infection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ours in VA is mandating vaccines. First shot has to be done by August. So grateful; I would only choose a preschool with a vaccine mandate.

Why is that? You know the vaccines don't do much to protect against symptomatic disease, and there's no evidence they protect against severe disease in this age group?

This is not true. Scroll down to the 10:20 AM update.

https://www.statnews.com/2022/06/15/tracking-an-fda-advisory-panel-meeting-on-covid-vaccines-in-young-children/

The confidence interval in that slide is enormous. It means you can't make heads or tails of the data. Sorry, that's extremely weak if that's your "evidence."

The confidence interval is 32.4-67.9; i.e. well above 0. The vaccine clearly prevents infection.

How long does it prevent infection? For the couple of weeks that the trial followed the kids? Should toddlers be getting boosters every few months because vaccine efficacy wanes so quickly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ours in VA is mandating vaccines. First shot has to be done by August. So grateful; I would only choose a preschool with a vaccine mandate.

Why is that? You know the vaccines don't do much to protect against symptomatic disease, and there's no evidence they protect against severe disease in this age group?

This is not true. Scroll down to the 10:20 AM update.

https://www.statnews.com/2022/06/15/tracking-an-fda-advisory-panel-meeting-on-covid-vaccines-in-young-children/

The confidence interval in that slide is enormous. It means you can't make heads or tails of the data. Sorry, that's extremely weak if that's your "evidence."

The confidence interval is 32.4-67.9; i.e. well above 0. The vaccine clearly prevents infection.

How long does it prevent infection? For the couple of weeks that the trial followed the kids? Should toddlers be getting boosters every few months because vaccine efficacy wanes so quickly?

Don't even know why I'm biting, but sure. A booster every 6 months or so. Why not?

In the link, it shows that the immune response to the vaccine is consistent across all age groups. Are you saying adults shouldn't get the vaccine?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ours in VA is mandating vaccines. First shot has to be done by August. So grateful; I would only choose a preschool with a vaccine mandate.

Why is that? You know the vaccines don't do much to protect against symptomatic disease, and there's no evidence they protect against severe disease in this age group?

This is not true. Scroll down to the 10:20 AM update.

https://www.statnews.com/2022/06/15/tracking-an-fda-advisory-panel-meeting-on-covid-vaccines-in-young-children/

The confidence interval in that slide is enormous. It means you can't make heads or tails of the data. Sorry, that's extremely weak if that's your "evidence."

The confidence interval is 32.4-67.9; i.e. well above 0. The vaccine clearly prevents infection.

How long does it prevent infection? For the couple of weeks that the trial followed the kids? Should toddlers be getting boosters every few months because vaccine efficacy wanes so quickly?

Don't even know why I'm biting, but sure. A booster every 6 months or so. Why not?

In the link, it shows that the immune response to the vaccine is consistent across all age groups. Are you saying adults shouldn't get the vaccine?

I'm saying that the risks of covid to young children are far lower than the risks of covid for adults--by several orders of magnitude. Therefore the risk/benefit calculation of vaccination and repeated boosters is extremely different. Should my elderly parents keep getting boosters? Probably, because the risk of death and severe disease of covid are so high for that age group. Should my healthy toddler who likely has already been exposed to the virus get vaccinated and get endless boosters when there doesn't seem to be a clear benefit and the risks to him from the virus are so low? Probably not.

[Anonymous]

Our preschool in NWDC is not requiring but strongly encouraging. My kids (both under 5) already had their first shot. I assume most of the other kids at the school have, too, based on the neighborhood leanings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ours in VA is mandating vaccines. First shot has to be done by August. So grateful; I would only choose a preschool with a vaccine mandate.

Why is that? You know the vaccines don't do much to protect against symptomatic disease, and there's no evidence they protect against severe disease in this age group?

This is not true. Scroll down to the 10:20 AM update.

https://www.statnews.com/2022/06/15/tracking-an-fda-advisory-panel-meeting-on-covid-vaccines-in-young-children/

The confidence interval in that slide is enormous. It means you can't make heads or tails of the data. Sorry, that's extremely weak if that's your "evidence."

The confidence interval is 32.4-67.9; i.e. well above 0. The vaccine clearly prevents infection.

How long does it prevent infection? For the couple of weeks that the trial followed the kids? Should toddlers be getting boosters every few months because vaccine efficacy wanes so quickly?

Don't even know why I'm biting, but sure. A booster every 6 months or so. Why not?

In the link, it shows that the immune response to the vaccine is consistent across all age groups. Are you saying adults shouldn't get the vaccine?

I'm saying that the risks of covid to young children are far lower than the risks of covid for adults--by several orders of magnitude. Therefore the risk/benefit calculation of vaccination and repeated boosters is extremely different. Should my elderly parents keep getting boosters? Probably, because the risk of death and severe disease of covid are so high for that age group. Should my healthy toddler who likely has already been exposed to the virus get vaccinated and get endless boosters when there doesn't seem to be a clear benefit and the risks to him from the virus are so low? Probably not.

The risk of covid to young children may be low, but it is not zero. There are thousands of children who have died worldwide from covid, and many more who have had MIS-C or other severe cases. Yes, that number is very low, but what if it was your kid and you could have prevented it with the vaccine? So why not get the vaccine? I don't see the downside.