Really great overview of Northwestern University (video)

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Anonymous wrote:We visited and liked it but we know a student there who doesn’t like it much at all and regrets going. Too many ultra wealthy, entitled, out of touch kids.

This is interesting because my impression has always been that Northwestern has more middle class kids than its peer schools.

I know two UMC kids there who went to decent private schools and were unhappy with the number of spoiled and entitled students there. Like, off-the-charts, unable to be a friend or think of others kind of entitled. But schools get what they deserve. If you only take the perfect resumes, you’re going to attract a lot of self-centered, win-at-all-costs, lie and cheat personalities that often come with it. Nice campus, location, and education though.

I think the problem is how much they leaned into ED. That’s why you have huge numbers of rich and entitled students nowadays. I went there in the early 90s and there were some ultra rich kids but not many. Tuition was also in the high teens to low 20s then . I loved my time there but there is no way it is worth $80,000 and they lost some of my respect with their reliance on ED.

In early 90s, 60%+ of students received NO financial aide. There were plenty of rich kids on campus then. I had plenty of friends who went to Europe over xmas or spring break and took a spring break trip each year. Was only able to attend because I was poor and received an amazing FA package. It was $25K per year at NU versus $5K at my top state school.

All top schools use ED, even if NU didn't do as much with ED, they would still be able to select an equal number of full pay students in RD, and likely would. The fact is, there are enough highly qualified, excellent students who can afford $80K schools. A school can only provide $40-50K FA to so many students each year, or tuition would need to go even higher.

Actually this is false. Top schools don’t use ED — Princeton, Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Caltech. None have ED. They don’t force kids into binding admission in exchange for much higher acceptance rates.

Those don't but many other T20 schools do have ED:
Columbia (#2)
Chicago (#6)
U Penn (#8)
Duke (#9)
JHU (#9) ---they have ED1 and ED2
Northwestern (#9)
Dartmouth (#13)
Brown (#14)
Vanderbilt (#15)
WashU (#16)
Cornell (#17)
Rice (#17)
Notre Dame (#19) (sort of---early restrictive action)

So 6 of the "Top 12" offer ED. And the rest of the Top 20 does except UCLA. When I refer to top schools, I tend to think T20, but for this purpose even if you make it T10 (well T12 since #9 is held by 4 schools), 6 out of the T12 do have ED. JHU even has ED1 & ED2, which is a great way for them to capture top students who didn't win the lottery at their ED1 choice and increase Yield.

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Anonymous wrote:We visited and liked it but we know a student there who doesn’t like it much at all and regrets going. Too many ultra wealthy, entitled, out of touch kids.

This is interesting because my impression has always been that Northwestern has more middle class kids than its peer schools.

I know two UMC kids there who went to decent private schools and were unhappy with the number of spoiled and entitled students there. Like, off-the-charts, unable to be a friend or think of others kind of entitled. But schools get what they deserve. If you only take the perfect resumes, you’re going to attract a lot of self-centered, win-at-all-costs, lie and cheat personalities that often come with it. Nice campus, location, and education though.

I think the problem is how much they leaned into ED. That’s why you have huge numbers of rich and entitled students nowadays. I went there in the early 90s and there were some ultra rich kids but not many. Tuition was also in the high teens to low 20s then . I loved my time there but there is no way it is worth $80,000 and they lost some of my respect with their reliance on ED.

In early 90s, 60%+ of students received NO financial aide. There were plenty of rich kids on campus then. I had plenty of friends who went to Europe over xmas or spring break and took a spring break trip each year. Was only able to attend because I was poor and received an amazing FA package. It was $25K per year at NU versus $5K at my top state school.

All top schools use ED, even if NU didn't do as much with ED, they would still be able to select an equal number of full pay students in RD, and likely would. The fact is, there are enough highly qualified, excellent students who can afford $80K schools. A school can only provide $40-50K FA to so many students each year, or tuition would need to go even higher.

Actually this is false. Top schools don’t use ED — Princeton, Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Caltech. None have ED. They don’t force kids into binding admission in exchange for much higher acceptance rates.

Those don't but many other T20 schools do have ED:
Columbia (#2)
Chicago (#6)
U Penn (#8)
Duke (#9)
JHU (#9) ---they have ED1 and ED2
Northwestern (#9)
Dartmouth (#13)
Brown (#14)
Vanderbilt (#15)
WashU (#16)
Cornell (#17)
Rice (#17)
Notre Dame (#19) (sort of---early restrictive action)

So 6 of the "Top 12" offer ED. And the rest of the Top 20 does except UCLA. When I refer to top schools, I tend to think T20, but for this purpose even if you make it T10 (well T12 since #9 is held by 4 schools), 6 out of the T12 do have ED. JHU even has ED1 & ED2, which is a great way for them to capture top students who didn't win the lottery at their ED1 choice and increase Yield.

+1. The criticisms against Northwestern in this thread are applicable to pretty much every other top school.

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Anonymous wrote:We visited and liked it but we know a student there who doesn’t like it much at all and regrets going. Too many ultra wealthy, entitled, out of touch kids.

This is interesting because my impression has always been that Northwestern has more middle class kids than its peer schools.

I know two UMC kids there who went to decent private schools and were unhappy with the number of spoiled and entitled students there. Like, off-the-charts, unable to be a friend or think of others kind of entitled. But schools get what they deserve. If you only take the perfect resumes, you’re going to attract a lot of self-centered, win-at-all-costs, lie and cheat personalities that often come with it. Nice campus, location, and education though.

I think the problem is how much they leaned into ED. That’s why you have huge numbers of rich and entitled students nowadays. I went there in the early 90s and there were some ultra rich kids but not many. Tuition was also in the high teens to low 20s then . I loved my time there but there is no way it is worth $80,000 and they lost some of my respect with their reliance on ED.

In early 90s, 60%+ of students received NO financial aide. There were plenty of rich kids on campus then. I had plenty of friends who went to Europe over xmas or spring break and took a spring break trip each year. Was only able to attend because I was poor and received an amazing FA package. It was $25K per year at NU versus $5K at my top state school.

All top schools use ED, even if NU didn't do as much with ED, they would still be able to select an equal number of full pay students in RD, and likely would. The fact is, there are enough highly qualified, excellent students who can afford $80K schools. A school can only provide $40-50K FA to so many students each year, or tuition would need to go even higher.

Actually this is false. Top schools don’t use ED — Princeton, Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Caltech. None have ED. They don’t force kids into binding admission in exchange for much higher acceptance rates.

Those don't but many other T20 schools do have ED:
Columbia (#2)
Chicago (#6)
U Penn (#8)
Duke (#9)
JHU (#9) ---they have ED1 and ED2
Northwestern (#9)
Dartmouth (#13)
Brown (#14)
Vanderbilt (#15)
WashU (#16)
Cornell (#17)
Rice (#17)
Notre Dame (#19) (sort of---early restrictive action)

So 6 of the "Top 12" offer ED. And the rest of the Top 20 does except UCLA. When I refer to top schools, I tend to think T20, but for this purpose even if you make it T10 (well T12 since #9 is held by 4 schools), 6 out of the T12 do have ED. JHU even has ED1 & ED2, which is a great way for them to capture top students who didn't win the lottery at their ED1 choice and increase Yield.

+1. The criticisms against Northwestern in this thread are applicable to pretty much every other top school.

Yup! I attended two T10-20 schools, including NU. Eons ago. Both had tons of rich kids back then. It is the same at all T20-30 schools---it has to be with the costs of them

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Anonymous wrote:My son hates it but missed so much because of the way they handled Covid, there’s no point in leaving now.

FYI, Northwestern ended its booster mandate yesterday.

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Anonymous wrote:I promise I'm not affiliated with this YT channel, but a friend of my DC shared this video (they just finished junior yr in HS), and we thought it was such a great, balanced overview of the school.

The channel creator also has some other great similar rundowns about other universities.

That campus looks IMMACULATE

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Anonymous wrote:I promise I'm not affiliated with this YT channel, but a friend of my DC shared this video (they just finished junior yr in HS), and we thought it was such a great, balanced overview of the school.

The channel creator also has some other great similar rundowns about other universities.

That campus looks IMMACULATE

We went for admitted students day. It was!!! And, the view of Chicago is stunning as are views from the Welcome center and Music building. Beautiful campus.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I promise I'm not affiliated with this YT channel, but a friend of my DC shared this video (they just finished junior yr in HS), and we thought it was such a great, balanced overview of the school.

The channel creator also has some other great similar rundowns about other universities.

That campus looks IMMACULATE

We went for admitted students day. It was!!! And, the view of Chicago is stunning as are views from the Welcome center and Music building. Beautiful campus.

Congrats! What a tremendous accomplishment for you and your kid.