Why are some graduation gowns STILL gendered?

[Anonymous]

You really have too much time on your hands if this is your biggest problem of the day

[Anonymous]

At least you’re not smart enough to make it further than high school so you won’t be offended by hood colors
at college graduation.

[Anonymous]

I wish they wouldn't do white for the girls.

It looks bad when the girls who do not like dresses wear dark pants under their white gowns.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think they look nice and it helps family members pick them out of a crowd. But maybe that was my school- my graduating class was over 1k.

How about the trans kids then? kids who are they/them?

There are a miniscule number of trans kids and presumably they would wear the color of the gender with which they identify. This isn't hard. Why are trying to make it so?

There are lots of nonbinary kids who don't identify with either gender, and thus, can't do what you are suggesting.

It's a stupid tradition. My high school used to have separate valedictorians, male and female. That was also a stupid tradition. There is no reason not to just have one color.

No, see. There are not "a lot." There's a miniscule number. They can still choose one or the other. The rest of society does not need to bend over backwards to accommodate them or subjugate traditions because it makes them uncomfortable. We'll accept them for who they are, but they also need to just get with the program and realize that a small number of people who march to a different drummer don't get to make demands on society at large that upend the norm. It doesn't work that way.

This is DCUM. Of course it does.

[Anonymous]

My high school (in a conservative state) and my kids high school all have the same (one) color. Gowns were ordered by height.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When my daughter was in K her class rebelled and refused to wear the gendered gowns, the (elementary) school then switched to school tshirts for graduation.

Why do I doubt the impetus for such a rebellion did NOT come from the kindergartners themselves?

We didn't do Kindergarten graduation, but at that age my younger kid was at the height of getting upset about "unfair" random things. If his female friends had gotten to wear his favorite color and he didn't? He would have been indignant, and I very well might have said "you know what, it is kind of a silly rule" and advocated for him to get the color he wanted.

Or you could explain that guess what, the world isn't always "fair" from one person's individual point of view, sometimes we don't always get what we want because we're all part of a larger community that requires compromise, and people can and should save their political capital and pick battles over really important things. But way to teach your special darling that he's the center of the world and worth creating a big ruckus and hassle for a lot of other people over. (And yes, I get that you also think you're the center of the world and your kid is an extension of you and your righteous importance.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My high school (in a conservative state) and my kids high school all have the same (one) color. Gowns were ordered by height.

Same but my HS was in California. One color, easy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they look nice and it helps family members pick them out of a crowd. But maybe that was my school- my graduating class was over 1k.

How about the trans kids then? kids who are they/them?

There are a miniscule number of trans kids and presumably they would wear the color of the gender with which they identify. This isn't hard. Why are trying to make it so?

There are lots of nonbinary kids who don't identify with either gender, and thus, can't do what you are suggesting.

It's a stupid tradition. My high school used to have separate valedictorians, male and female. That was also a stupid tradition. There is no reason not to just have one color.

They can still pick whichever color they prefer to wear. Everyone. Not just the transgender/non-binary students.
The "reason" for 2 colors is USUALLY school colors, of which there are typically two. The poster whose school put the girls in white probably did so nobody had to wear an ugly yellow or gold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they look nice and it helps family members pick them out of a crowd. But maybe that was my school- my graduating class was over 1k.

How about the trans kids then? kids who are they/them?

There are a miniscule number of trans kids and presumably they would wear the color of the gender with which they identify. This isn't hard. Why are trying to make it so?

There are lots of nonbinary kids who don't identify with either gender, and thus, can't do what you are suggesting.

It's a stupid tradition. My high school used to have separate valedictorians, male and female. That was also a stupid tradition. There is no reason not to just have one color.

They can still pick whichever color they prefer to wear. Everyone. Not just the transgender/non-binary students.
The "reason" for 2 colors is USUALLY school colors, of which there are typically two. The poster whose school put the girls in white probably did so nobody had to wear an ugly yellow or gold.

If everyone is picking the color they like then how are the boys in one color and the girls in another?

Having two colors, with everyone picking what the like is fine. Assigning colors by gender is silly at best and can be hurtful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When my daughter was in K her class rebelled and refused to wear the gendered gowns, the (elementary) school then switched to school tshirts for graduation.

Why do I doubt the impetus for such a rebellion did NOT come from the kindergartners themselves?

We didn't do Kindergarten graduation, but at that age my younger kid was at the height of getting upset about "unfair" random things. If his female friends had gotten to wear his favorite color and he didn't? He would have been indignant, and I very well might have said "you know what, it is kind of a silly rule" and advocated for him to get the color he wanted.

Or you could explain that guess what, the world isn't always "fair" from one person's individual point of view, sometimes we don't always get what we want because we're all part of a larger community that requires compromise, and people can and should save their political capital and pick battles over really important things. But way to teach your special darling that he's the center of the world and worth creating a big ruckus and hassle for a lot of other people over. (And yes, I get that you also think you're the center of the world and your kid is an extension of you and your righteous importance.)

No, I'm saying that kids could have come up with the idea. But I don't tell my kids that they should save their political capital for really important things. i tell them to speak up when they see sexism, racism, ableism etc . . . Every time.

[Anonymous]

You need a hobby.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they look nice and it helps family members pick them out of a crowd. But maybe that was my school- my graduating class was over 1k.

How about the trans kids then? kids who are they/them?

There are a miniscule number of trans kids and presumably they would wear the color of the gender with which they identify. This isn't hard. Why are trying to make it so?

There are lots of nonbinary kids who don't identify with either gender, and thus, can't do what you are suggesting.

It's a stupid tradition. My high school used to have separate valedictorians, male and female. That was also a stupid tradition. There is no reason not to just have one color.

They can still pick whichever color they prefer to wear. Everyone. Not just the transgender/non-binary students.
The "reason" for 2 colors is USUALLY school colors, of which there are typically two. The poster whose school put the girls in white probably did so nobody had to wear an ugly yellow or gold.

If everyone is picking the color they like then how are the boys in one color and the girls in another?

Having two colors, with everyone picking what the like is fine. Assigning colors by gender is silly at best and can be hurtful.

Hurtful?

Are you saying that gender is important? I thought you wanted to erase gender with gender neutral monocolor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they look nice and it helps family members pick them out of a crowd. But maybe that was my school- my graduating class was over 1k.

How about the trans kids then? kids who are they/them?

There are a miniscule number of trans kids and presumably they would wear the color of the gender with which they identify. This isn't hard. Why are trying to make it so?

There are lots of nonbinary kids who don't identify with either gender, and thus, can't do what you are suggesting.

It's a stupid tradition. My high school used to have separate valedictorians, male and female. That was also a stupid tradition. There is no reason not to just have one color.

They can still pick whichever color they prefer to wear. Everyone. Not just the transgender/non-binary students.
The "reason" for 2 colors is USUALLY school colors, of which there are typically two. The poster whose school put the girls in white probably did so nobody had to wear an ugly yellow or gold.

If everyone is picking the color they like then how are the boys in one color and the girls in another?

Having two colors, with everyone picking what the like is fine. Assigning colors by gender is silly at best and can be hurtful.

I wasn't saying that they currently all pick. I was just saying that they could
And that everyone could pick so it isn't just the minority of students having to make a choice.
IMO, a classic black graduation gown with ribbons/tassles in the school colors would be sufficient for everyone everywhere. Why is this a problem?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can’t stand the tradition of girls wearing white. I actually wrote my college application essay on this topic 25 years ago. Our colors were green and gold but the gowns were green (boys) and white (girls).

My school (in California, not the DMV area) colors were black and gold. At graduation boys wore black and girls wore an ugly shade of yellow that was supposed to be "gold." Anyone with a GPA above 4.0 wore white. A big part of my best friend's motivation for good grades was to be able to wear the white gown instead of the ugly yellow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At least you’re not smart enough to make it further than high school so you won’t be offended by hood colors
at college graduation.

Graduated from GMU all green !!!