Which private school gets the most kids into top 20 colleges?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, public schools are the best for college admissions. Move to a W pyramid. If your children distinguishes themselves, top 20s will follows. Worked for us. Used the money we saved on private school to pay for college.

What amazing advice. Nobody ever thought of this before. Many kids who would not be pushed or excel in a class of 1000 may be able to when given the tools and platform to do so. If you can afford it, it makes sense for those kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I have high school kids at two Big3 schools and have spent way too much time thinking about this.
The Ivy admits are 90% legacy or athletes or URMs or generally 2 of the 3. Actually you can probably say 95%.
I.e. if you're not 2 of the 3 you're not getting into an Ivy from a Big3. Period.
Might as well cross it off. Your odds are attending an Ivy are higher from a public.

Now the rest of the top 20 college spots go in part to the top academic achievers. Some also go to legacy/athletes/URM.
but many if not most are available to the top "smart kids" (i.e the top 10-20% of the class academically).

The next problem is, how to have one of the "smart kids". It's easier said than done. The work is hard, grade deflation is real and most
of the kids at the school are smart. It's not easy to be at the top of the class.

If it easier for URM to be admitted than for non-URM, soon enough there wouldn’t be URM anymore, right? This reasoning doesn’t sound right.

URM is a bit of a misnomer. It means certain preferred groups, regardless of whether the groups are actually under represented. Proponents of preferential admissions for URMs will never say "okay, the problem is solved, so we now can have race blind admissions."

Well just think of the hundreds of years race has mattered in admissions and URMS couldn’t even be considered. Now because you think there has been a push for URM’s, you want everything to be race blind? Interesting.

No, that is not quite what I said. I said that even when representation of minorities in elite schools is proportionate (or even ahead) of their numbers in society generally, proponents of preferential admissions will want preferential admissions to continue indefinitely; in other words, there is no end point. In your opinion, am I right about that or am I wrong? On this one, I would be happy to be wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I have high school kids at two Big3 schools and have spent way too much time thinking about this.
The Ivy admits are 90% legacy or athletes or URMs or generally 2 of the 3. Actually you can probably say 95%.
I.e. if you're not 2 of the 3 you're not getting into an Ivy from a Big3. Period.
Might as well cross it off. Your odds are attending an Ivy are higher from a public.

Now the rest of the top 20 college spots go in part to the top academic achievers. Some also go to legacy/athletes/URM.
but many if not most are available to the top "smart kids" (i.e the top 10-20% of the class academically).

The next problem is, how to have one of the "smart kids". It's easier said than done. The work is hard, grade deflation is real and most
of the kids at the school are smart. It's not easy to be at the top of the class.

This 1000%

1000% wrong. if 20 kids get in 19 are legacy/recruited athlete/URM? not at all.

It’s pretty close to true. Replace legacy with rich enough to endow a building, and add the top 3 kids academically. I can think of only one kid among the Ivy admits at my son’s school last year who didn’t fall into one of those categories. And maybe that one was a legacy, who knows?

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Anonymous wrote:I have high school kids at two Big3 schools and have spent way too much time thinking about this.
The Ivy admits are 90% legacy or athletes or URMs or generally 2 of the 3. Actually you can probably say 95%.
I.e. if you're not 2 of the 3 you're not getting into an Ivy from a Big3. Period.
Might as well cross it off. Your odds are attending an Ivy are higher from a public.

Now the rest of the top 20 college spots go in part to the top academic achievers. Some also go to legacy/athletes/URM.
but many if not most are available to the top "smart kids" (i.e the top 10-20% of the class academically).

The next problem is, how to have one of the "smart kids". It's easier said than done. The work is hard, grade deflation is real and most
of the kids at the school are smart. It's not easy to be at the top of the class.

If it easier for URM to be admitted than for non-URM, soon enough there wouldn’t be URM anymore, right? This reasoning doesn’t sound right.

URM is a bit of a misnomer. It means certain preferred groups, regardless of whether the groups are actually under represented. Proponents of preferential admissions for URMs will never say "okay, the problem is solved, so we now can have race blind admissions."

Well just think of the hundreds of years race has mattered in admissions and URMS couldn’t even be considered. Now because you think there has been a push for URM’s, you want everything to be race blind? Interesting.

No, that is not quite what I said. I said that even when representation of minorities in elite schools is proportionate (or even ahead) of their numbers in society generally, proponents of preferential admissions will want preferential admissions to continue indefinitely; in other words, there is no end point. In your opinion, am I right about that or am I wrong? On this one, I would be happy to be wrong.

This is basically an argument for replacing Asian admits with white admits.

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Not Maret!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This only covers three colleges, matriculation not acceptance, but gives you a good idea:

https://polarislist.com/

This list is a joke. They rank based on the number of admits, not the percentage. So a school with 800 graduates that sends 80 kids to the 3 chosen colleges will rank way higher than the school with 80 graduates that sends 20. And why just those 3 colleges? Yale, Stanford, etc. are not equally prestigious?

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Andover, Exeter, Brearley… oh wait, you meant DC private schools? None.

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PP is way behind the times.

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Anonymous wrote:I have high school kids at two Big3 schools and have spent way too much time thinking about this.
The Ivy admits are 90% legacy or athletes or URMs or generally 2 of the 3. Actually you can probably say 95%.
I.e. if you're not 2 of the 3 you're not getting into an Ivy from a Big3. Period.
Might as well cross it off. Your odds are attending an Ivy are higher from a public.

Now the rest of the top 20 college spots go in part to the top academic achievers. Some also go to legacy/athletes/URM.
but many if not most are available to the top "smart kids" (i.e the top 10-20% of the class academically).

The next problem is, how to have one of the "smart kids". It's easier said than done. The work is hard, grade deflation is real and most
of the kids at the school are smart. It's not easy to be at the top of the class.

Nope. My white, non-legacy, non-athlete DD from GDS got into multiple Ivy League schools.

And that woudl put her in the 5-10% of PP's comment. So you are not supporting your 'nope.' How many students in her graduating class did not get into any Ivies at all? Most right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The right answer is none. No local private *gets anyone in*. The kids get themselves in, and would have had approximately the same shot coming from a different school.

The right answer is that for many, being surrounded by over achievers makes one want to achieve. This is why we sent our son to a top private school (not a big 3) and to a top 20 university (not an ivy). He is doing great...well prepared and surrounded by high achieving kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I have high school kids at two Big3 schools and have spent way too much time thinking about this.
The Ivy admits are 90% legacy or athletes or URMs or generally 2 of the 3. Actually you can probably say 95%.
I.e. if you're not 2 of the 3 you're not getting into an Ivy from a Big3. Period.
Might as well cross it off. Your odds are attending an Ivy are higher from a public.

Now the rest of the top 20 college spots go in part to the top academic achievers. Some also go to legacy/athletes/URM.
but many if not most are available to the top "smart kids" (i.e the top 10-20% of the class academically).

The next problem is, how to have one of the "smart kids". It's easier said than done. The work is hard, grade deflation is real and most
of the kids at the school are smart. It's not easy to be at the top of the class.

If it easier for URM to be admitted than for non-URM, soon enough there wouldn’t be URM anymore, right? This reasoning doesn’t sound right.

URM is a bit of a misnomer. It means certain preferred groups, regardless of whether the groups are actually under represented. Proponents of preferential admissions for URMs will never say "okay, the problem is solved, so we now can have race blind admissions."

Well just think of the hundreds of years race has mattered in admissions and URMS couldn’t even be considered. Now because you think there has been a push for URM’s, you want everything to be race blind? Interesting.

No, that is not quite what I said. I said that even when representation of minorities in elite schools is proportionate (or even ahead) of their numbers in society generally, proponents of preferential admissions will want preferential admissions to continue indefinitely; in other words, there is no end point. In your opinion, am I right about that or am I wrong? On this one, I would be happy to be wrong.

This is basically an argument for replacing Asian admits with white admits.

It’s not an argument, it is a question. At what point do preference’s for URMs end?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have high school kids at two Big3 schools and have spent way too much time thinking about this.
The Ivy admits are 90% legacy or athletes or URMs or generally 2 of the 3. Actually you can probably say 95%.
I.e. if you're not 2 of the 3 you're not getting into an Ivy from a Big3. Period.
Might as well cross it off. Your odds are attending an Ivy are higher from a public.

Now the rest of the top 20 college spots go in part to the top academic achievers. Some also go to legacy/athletes/URM.
but many if not most are available to the top "smart kids" (i.e the top 10-20% of the class academically).

The next problem is, how to have one of the "smart kids". It's easier said than done. The work is hard, grade deflation is real and most
of the kids at the school are smart. It's not easy to be at the top of the class.

Nope. My white, non-legacy, non-athlete DD from GDS got into multiple Ivy League schools.

And that woudl put her in the 5-10% of PP's comment. So you are not supporting your 'nope.' How many students in her graduating class did not get into any Ivies at all? Most right?

PP pulled 90% out of her ass. Give me break. There’s no evidence it’s true.

[Anonymous]

Question should be: which private is a hinderance in college admissions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question should be: which private is a hinderance in college admissions?

Whichever one taught you how to spell.

[Anonymous]

At GDS, no one is getting recruited for a sport, but I'd guesstimate that 1/4 to 1/3 of the students are undergraduate legacy at one of the Ivies. Probably closer to half if you include grad school. And that's true of the URM students too. I'd be surprised if it was not the same or higher at SFS or STA or NCS. Only a fraction of them get admitted to their parents' alma maters. The ones who do get admitted (except for the development cases) are also among the strongest students in the whole class and not very different than the non-legacy Ivy admits. So your best strategy for an Ivy admit is the same as any other school - take the most advanced classes, get great grades, and be a leader. And if you don't get into an Ivy you'll still end up at a great college.