Legacy Admit is racist

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You need to get out more. Most legacy kids are very smart and accomplished.

Completely wrong. Most legacy kids are mediocre students, there is nothing exceptional or unique about them. I have seen this over and over again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to get out more. Most legacy kids are very smart and accomplished.

Completely wrong. Most legacy kids are mediocre students, there is nothing exceptional or unique about them. I have seen this over and over again.

What’s your source because you’re wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Most schools will only let in legacies who are well-qualified. It’s not like they are letting in D student slackers (Jared excepting) So, maybe Harvard accepts a legacy with a 1480 and a 4.2 rather than a 1560 and 4.6? Is that really that big of a difference? The 1560 got 8 more questions correct, big whoop.
My overall point is that it’s all pretty subjective, even test scores and grades.

Umm, you obviously don't know many Ivy legacy grads. Plenty who couldn't touch 1400 or a 3.5 gpa. It's all about the money and connections.

Wrong. Columbia rejects 67% of legacy applicants

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to get out more. Most legacy kids are very smart and accomplished.

Completely wrong. Most legacy kids are mediocre students, there is nothing exceptional or unique about them. I have seen this over and over again.

My kids attend a Big3 private. The legacy kids at their school are NOT mediocre. Maybe at your DC’s school they are, but not what we see AT ALL.

[Anonymous]

There is so much bitterness and misinformation in this thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I did not realize that legacy admissions started out as a way to exclude Jews and Catholics from elite universities, much like holistic admissions did.

At least today, holistic admissions often help URM. But, what does legacy admissions do for URM or the kid with no hooks from a middle class family?

I'm disgusted with how so-called elite universities espouse "diversity" and holistic approach to have diverse/broad spectrum of views in the student body, but a very large % of admits are from legacy, who are typically wealthy and white. This approach is basically "keeping the status quo".. "good ol' boys network".. "keeping it in the family".

It's disturbing that these elite institutions have retained a policy that was steeped in bigotry.

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/202...on-legacy-admissions

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/202...ty-students-smart-iq

IMO, the only reason why groups like the NAACP aren't fighting it is because URM do get a leg up. But imagine if those univ didn't give preference for URM.

If you look at the stats, it's not the URM kids who's taking spots from the MC/UMC white kid. It's the legacy admit kids who wouldn't have gotten in with the scores they have without that legacy hook.

None of this was on my radar before, but as my oldest is hitting senior year, we are looking at colleges and the whole admissions process a lot more, and what I'm finding is that the system built for and by rich white people still persists in institutions that claim they want diversity. It's just all smoke and mirrors.

Very disturbing.

+1. Agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to get out more. Most legacy kids are very smart and accomplished.

Completely wrong. Most legacy kids are mediocre students, there is nothing exceptional or unique about them. I have seen this over and over again.

My kids attend a Big3 private. The legacy kids at their school are NOT mediocre. Maybe at your DC’s school they are, but not what we see AT ALL.

They may not be all mediocre, but they are usually not the top students. The problem is the above average but not top legacy students got accepted into top schools over the top non-legacy students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to get out more. Most legacy kids are very smart and accomplished.

Completely wrong. Most legacy kids are mediocre students, there is nothing exceptional or unique about them. I have seen this over and over again.

What’s your source because you’re wrong.

Here is my source
Kids bragging since middle school about how they will go to Harvard, Cornell , Princeton etc because their parents went there. Then the same kids not taking advanced classes in high school, then the same kids posting on social media that they can’t break 1400 on the SAT. Kids know who the smart kids are based on the classes they take and the activities they are involved in. My DC’s classmates expressed their shock on learning about certain kids getting accepted to Ivies, and the conclusion was they would have not gotten in if they didn’t have a legacy there. Many more qualified kids are passed on in favor of legacy kids. It is unfair. But there isn’t much you can do about it. Just tell your kids that Ivies do not take smart kids, smart kids can be found at any college. The whole idea that a high stats kid belongs at an Ivy or a highly selective college is wrong. The system is broken. It’s much more than stats. It’s about, race, gender, athletes, minorities, legacies, it’s not about the stats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to get out more. Most legacy kids are very smart and accomplished.

Completely wrong. Most legacy kids are mediocre students, there is nothing exceptional or unique about them. I have seen this over and over again.

What’s your source because you’re wrong.

Here is my source
Kids bragging since middle school about how they will go to Harvard, Cornell , Princeton etc because their parents went there. Then the same kids not taking advanced classes in high school, then the same kids posting on social media that they can’t break 1400 on the SAT. Kids know who the smart kids are based on the classes they take and the activities they are involved in. My DC’s classmates expressed their shock on learning about certain kids getting accepted to Ivies, and the conclusion was they would have not gotten in if they didn’t have a legacy there. Many more qualified kids are passed on in favor of legacy kids. It is unfair. But there isn’t much you can do about it. Just tell your kids that Ivies do not take smart kids, smart kids can be found at any college. The whole idea that a high stats kid belongs at an Ivy or a highly selective college is wrong. The system is broken. It’s much more than stats. It’s about, race, gender, athletes, minorities, legacies, it’s not about the stats.

PP here- and let’s not forget that colleges try to check off as many boxes as possible with every single admit. So if they look for a girl, Asian, legacy, athlete etc. plush don’t forget kids lying about race etc on the applications. Again, it’s not about the stats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to get out more. Most legacy kids are very smart and accomplished.

Completely wrong. Most legacy kids are mediocre students, there is nothing exceptional or unique about them. I have seen this over and over again.

What’s your source because you’re wrong.

Here is my source
Kids bragging since middle school about how they will go to Harvard, Cornell , Princeton etc because their parents went there. Then the same kids not taking advanced classes in high school, then the same kids posting on social media that they can’t break 1400 on the SAT. Kids know who the smart kids are based on the classes they take and the activities they are involved in. My DC’s classmates expressed their shock on learning about certain kids getting accepted to Ivies, and the conclusion was they would have not gotten in if they didn’t have a legacy there. Many more qualified kids are passed on in favor of legacy kids. It is unfair. But there isn’t much you can do about it. Just tell your kids that Ivies do not take smart kids, smart kids can be found at any college. The whole idea that a high stats kid belongs at an Ivy or a highly selective college is wrong. The system is broken. It’s much more than stats. It’s about, race, gender, athletes, minorities, legacies, it’s not about the stats.

Its creepy that you stalk children on social media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to get out more. Most legacy kids are very smart and accomplished.

Completely wrong. Most legacy kids are mediocre students, there is nothing exceptional or unique about them. I have seen this over and over again.

What’s your source because you’re wrong.

Here is my source
Kids bragging since middle school about how they will go to Harvard, Cornell , Princeton etc because their parents went there. Then the same kids not taking advanced classes in high school, then the same kids posting on social media that they can’t break 1400 on the SAT. Kids know who the smart kids are based on the classes they take and the activities they are involved in. My DC’s classmates expressed their shock on learning about certain kids getting accepted to Ivies, and the conclusion was they would have not gotten in if they didn’t have a legacy there. Many more qualified kids are passed on in favor of legacy kids. It is unfair. But there isn’t much you can do about it. Just tell your kids that Ivies do not take smart kids, smart kids can be found at any college. The whole idea that a high stats kid belongs at an Ivy or a highly selective college is wrong. The system is broken. It’s much more than stats. It’s about, race, gender, athletes, minorities, legacies, it’s not about the stats.

Its creepy that you stalk children on social media.

Its funny that you would think that but i know from my kids.

[Anonymous]

So your source is just different children. Got it. Well-argued.

[Anonymous]

Legacy gets you the leg up if you are full pay and ED. That's how the top schools maintain their tuition revenue base.

[Anonymous]

The promise of legacy admissions is a huge factor in a school's ability to fundraise from alumni. If this were truly eliminated, fundraising would crater, and so would the ability of elite schools to be need-blind for minorities and first-generation college students. Just like anything, there is a balance to this equation. To all of those who scream "racism" at anything that isn't perfectly equitable immediately, remember that we still live in a free market system (thankfully) where self-interest plays at least some role. And if you want out of that--well, I encourage you to check out the elite university system of the Soviet Union circa 1980 that admitted sons and daughters of Party members in numbers much higher than today's Ivy legacy rates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The promise of legacy admissions is a huge factor in a school's ability to fundraise from alumni. If this were truly eliminated, fundraising would crater, and so would the ability of elite schools to be need-blind for minorities and first-generation college students. Just like anything, there is a balance to this equation. To all of those who scream "racism" at anything that isn't perfectly equitable immediately, remember that we still live in a free market system (thankfully) where self-interest plays at least some role. And if you want out of that--well, I encourage you to check out the elite university system of the Soviet Union circa 1980 that admitted sons and daughters of Party members in numbers much higher than today's Ivy legacy rates.

Yes, we see this happening at MIT right now!

Oh, wait…

Nevermind.