Why D1 if the school is only so so?

[Anonymous]

Students attend college with the expectation of securing gainful employment and launching a successful career. However, not all schools are equal in job placement success.

Some colleges are vastly more supportive of their students’ post-graduation concerns than others. Whether it comes from excellent career centers, strong academic offerings, stellar reputations, or networking opportunities, certain colleges just flat-out do a better job of helping students launch their careers than other colleges.

I selected the below states because it seems to be the states where the majority of kids in this area go.

Top school in each state in job placement

DE - Delaware 93.8
MD - Loyola 94.1
VA - JMU 94.3
NC - ELon 94.5
TN - Rhodes 92.78
SC - Citadel 94.2
GA - Spellman 92.6

Schools in the same general area that made the top 100 for graduates who make the most income

3: Naval Academy
8: West Point
21: Washington and Lee
22: Leigh
37: Duke
38: G-Town
45: Bucknell
54: UVA
61: GW
63: NJIT
65: Wale Forest
74: Vanderbilt
77: VMI
79: Gettysburg
81: Villanova
82: Loyola, MD

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you rather go to Delaware State University to play D1 soccer or Johns Hopkins to play D3 soccer

To me there is nothing remotely attractive about going to Hopkins.

I'd do Delaware and then go to a better grad school.

My spouse is a Hopkins grad. My nephew is in grad school at Hopkins and my niece is doing medical residency there.

The academics are some of the best in the world.

Delaware--are you shitting me? A degree from Hopkins is worth so much more.

Like Yale, everyone is in the library though and it is very grueling academically. So--yeah--if you want to just party and play soccer, stay away from Hopkins.

My brother turned down a full-ride to American, G-town and a few others to follow a Coach he liked to some small D1 school in the Midwest--many have never heard of. My dad was pretty pissed but knew my academically challenged brother would not go to college if he didn't get to choose where. His first semester he roomed with 3 Wrestlers and the GPA average for the 4 of them was a 1.8. My brother never even picked up his books--which were paid for!!

I’d rather hang out with your brother

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you rather go to Delaware State University to play D1 soccer or Johns Hopkins to play D3 soccer

To me there is nothing remotely attractive about going to Hopkins.

I'd do Delaware and then go to a better grad school.

My spouse is a Hopkins grad. My nephew is in grad school at Hopkins and my niece is doing medical residency there.

The academics are some of the best in the world.

Delaware--are you shitting me? A degree from Hopkins is worth so much more.

Like Yale, everyone is in the library though and it is very grueling academically. So--yeah--if you want to just party and play soccer, stay away from Hopkins.

My brother turned down a full-ride to American, G-town and a few others to follow a Coach he liked to some small D1 school in the Midwest--many have never heard of. My dad was pretty pissed but knew my academically challenged brother would not go to college if he didn't get to choose where. His first semester he roomed with 3 Wrestlers and the GPA average for the 4 of them was a 1.8. My brother never even picked up his books--which were paid for!!

I’d rather hang out with your brother

Ha! He has always been a wild, fun time. Though if my sons (now in HS) were anything like that I had have a heart attack. I don't know how my parents managed. I think that same riskiness is why he was such a great player. He told me kids my flaw as player was that "I always played it safe on the field".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you rather go to Delaware State University to play D1 soccer or Johns Hopkins to play D3 soccer

To me there is nothing remotely attractive about going to Hopkins.

I'd do Delaware and then go to a better grad school.

My spouse is a Hopkins grad. My nephew is in grad school at Hopkins and my niece is doing medical residency there.

The academics are some of the best in the world.

Delaware--are you shitting me? A degree from Hopkins is worth so much more.

Like Yale, everyone is in the library though and it is very grueling academically. So--yeah--if you want to just party and play soccer, stay away from Hopkins.

My brother turned down a full-ride to American, G-town and a few others to follow a Coach he liked to some small D1 school in the Midwest--many have never heard of. My dad was pretty pissed but knew my academically challenged brother would not go to college if he didn't get to choose where. His first semester he roomed with 3 Wrestlers and the GPA average for the 4 of them was a 1.8. My brother never even picked up his books--which were paid for!!

I’d rather hang out with your brother

Ha! He has always been a wild, fun time. Though if my sons (now in HS) were anything like that I had have a heart attack. I don't know how my parents managed. I think that same riskiness is why he was such a great player. He told me kids my flaw as player was that "I always played it safe on the field".

His outcome?

[Anonymous]

So basically if it is to have college paid for, even partially, then it is a job for the student.

[Anonymous]

Assets put money in your pocket, and liabilities take money out!

When a program sees your kid as an asset it become less of a financial liability.

Plain and simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you rather go to Delaware State University to play D1 soccer or Johns Hopkins to play D3 soccer

To me there is nothing remotely attractive about going to Hopkins.

I'd do Delaware and then go to a better grad school.

My spouse is a Hopkins grad. My nephew is in grad school at Hopkins and my niece is doing medical residency there.

The academics are some of the best in the world.

Delaware--are you shitting me? A degree from Hopkins is worth so much more.

Like Yale, everyone is in the library though and it is very grueling academically. So--yeah--if you want to just party and play soccer, stay away from Hopkins.

My brother turned down a full-ride to American, G-town and a few others to follow a Coach he liked to some small D1 school in the Midwest--many have never heard of. My dad was pretty pissed but knew my academically challenged brother would not go to college if he didn't get to choose where. His first semester he roomed with 3 Wrestlers and the GPA average for the 4 of them was a 1.8. My brother never even picked up his books--which were paid for!!

Nobody cares about your family. Why are you making this about you.

those wrestlers with a 1.8 GPA will be hired by boosters and will be making double what your hopkins grads will make.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you rather go to Delaware State University to play D1 soccer or Johns Hopkins to play D3 soccer

To me there is nothing remotely attractive about going to Hopkins.

I'd do Delaware and then go to a better grad school.

My spouse is a Hopkins grad. My nephew is in grad school at Hopkins and my niece is doing medical residency there.

The academics are some of the best in the world.

Delaware--are you shitting me? A degree from Hopkins is worth so much more.

Like Yale, everyone is in the library though and it is very grueling academically. So--yeah--if you want to just party and play soccer, stay away from Hopkins.

My brother turned down a full-ride to American, G-town and a few others to follow a Coach he liked to some small D1 school in the Midwest--many have never heard of. My dad was pretty pissed but knew my academically challenged brother would not go to college if he didn't get to choose where. His first semester he roomed with 3 Wrestlers and the GPA average for the 4 of them was a 1.8. My brother never even picked up his books--which were paid for!!

Nobody cares about your family. Why are you making this about you.

those wrestlers with a 1.8 GPA will be hired by boosters and will be making double what your hopkins grads will make.

So true. A students work for C students because C students have personalities and are likable.

There is a lot more to personal development then prestige of school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So basically if it is to have college paid for, even partially, then it is a job for the student.

Yes - at that point the kid is on a pro contract - they are getting f paid for their service.

But what comes with that?

1. Team bonding
2. Team workouts
3. Team meals
4. Team travel
5. Support network
6. Team study hall
7. Team tutors
8. Less financial hardships
9. Competition
10. Memories - good times

So on and so forth

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you rather go to Delaware State University to play D1 soccer or Johns Hopkins to play D3 soccer

To me there is nothing remotely attractive about going to Hopkins.

I'd do Delaware and then go to a better grad school.

My spouse is a Hopkins grad. My nephew is in grad school at Hopkins and my niece is doing medical residency there.

The academics are some of the best in the world.

Delaware--are you shitting me? A degree from Hopkins is worth so much more.

Like Yale, everyone is in the library though and it is very grueling academically. So--yeah--if you want to just party and play soccer, stay away from Hopkins.

My brother turned down a full-ride to American, G-town and a few others to follow a Coach he liked to some small D1 school in the Midwest--many have never heard of. My dad was pretty pissed but knew my academically challenged brother would not go to college if he didn't get to choose where. His first semester he roomed with 3 Wrestlers and the GPA average for the 4 of them was a 1.8. My brother never even picked up his books--which were paid for!!

I’d rather hang out with your brother

Ha! He has always been a wild, fun time. Though if my sons (now in HS) were anything like that I had have a heart attack. I don't know how my parents managed. I think that same riskiness is why he was such a great player. He told me kids my flaw as player was that "I always played it safe on the field".

It's still your flaw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically if it is to have college paid for, even partially, then it is a job for the student.

Yes - at that point the kid is on a pro contract - they are getting f paid for their service.

But what comes with that?

1. Team bonding
2. Team workouts
3. Team meals
4. Team travel
5. Support network
6. Team study hall
7. Team tutors
8. Less financial hardships
9. Competition
10. Memories - good times

So on and so forth

preferred registration
dedicated counseling
internships
boosters

[Anonymous]

In my experience with boys’ high level soccer—not sure if it’s the same for girls—there are one to three factors that typically drive the decision to pick a lesser academic D1 school over an academically elite D3. For families that are not economically secure, who are very thrifty, and/or who are not obsessed with the idea that their kid is doomed if they don’t attend a name-brand school, it’s the athletic scholarship, as others have mentioned.

For everyone else (the majority in my wealthy striver community) the boys have their self-esteem very much connected to their soccer prowess as teens, and they correctly think their peers will be much more impressed by a D1 commitment than a D3 one. I know a pretty large number of kids who turned down an Amherst or Williams level school to play at a D1 school that is in the top 75 or so on the USNWR list. Their parents don’t typically allow them to go to a no-name D1 unless they are terrible students or have learning differences or something else that makes a non-elite school a better fit. I know many families who had a really rough time reaching a compromise on this issue, and also several where the kid gambled on getting a D1 offer and in the end had to settle for a lower-ranked D3 than the one that first offered.

The other potential factor is that some kids hope to go pro, and while that’s very difficult for boys to do if they opt to go the college route, it does happen every year, and is vastly more likely to happen if you play at a strong D1 program. Many of the schools with great D1 programs are academically excellent, but only a tiny number of kids get recruited to academically elite schools with great soccer programs. Some kids also focus a lot on how much they like the coach and future teammates, though that wasn’t a big factor for most of the kids I know. It’s actually really hard to figure out potential fit unless you know kids on the team well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you rather go to Delaware State University to play D1 soccer or Johns Hopkins to play D3 soccer

To me there is nothing remotely attractive about going to Hopkins.

I'd do Delaware and then go to a better grad school.

My spouse is a Hopkins grad. My nephew is in grad school at Hopkins and my niece is doing medical residency there.

The academics are some of the best in the world.

Delaware--are you shitting me? A degree from Hopkins is worth so much more.

Like Yale, everyone is in the library though and it is very grueling academically. So--yeah--if you want to just party and play soccer, stay away from Hopkins.

My brother turned down a full-ride to American, G-town and a few others to follow a Coach he liked to some small D1 school in the Midwest--many have never heard of. My dad was pretty pissed but knew my academically challenged brother would not go to college if he didn't get to choose where. His first semester he roomed with 3 Wrestlers and the GPA average for the 4 of them was a 1.8. My brother never even picked up his books--which were paid for!!

I’d rather hang out with your brother

Ha! He has always been a wild, fun time. Though if my sons (now in HS) were anything like that I had have a heart attack. I don't know how my parents managed. I think that same riskiness is why he was such a great player. He told me kids my flaw as player was that "I always played it safe on the field".

It's still your flaw.

It certainly is. I am a Fed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In my experience with boys’ high level soccer—not sure if it’s the same for girls—there are one to three factors that typically drive the decision to pick a lesser academic D1 school over an academically elite D3. For families that are not economically secure, who are very thrifty, and/or who are not obsessed with the idea that their kid is doomed if they don’t attend a name-brand school, it’s the athletic scholarship, as others have mentioned.

For everyone else (the majority in my wealthy striver community) the boys have their self-esteem very much connected to their soccer prowess as teens, and they correctly think their peers will be much more impressed by a D1 commitment than a D3 one. I know a pretty large number of kids who turned down an Amherst or Williams level school to play at a D1 school that is in the top 75 or so on the USNWR list. Their parents don’t typically allow them to go to a no-name D1 unless they are terrible students or have learning differences or something else that makes a non-elite school a better fit. I know many families who had a really rough time reaching a compromise on this issue, and also several where the kid gambled on getting a D1 offer and in the end had to settle for a lower-ranked D3 than the one that first offered.

The other potential factor is that some kids hope to go pro, and while that’s very difficult for boys to do if they opt to go the college route, it does happen every year, and is vastly more likely to happen if you play at a strong D1 program. Many of the schools with great D1 programs are academically excellent, but only a tiny number of kids get recruited to academically elite schools with great soccer programs. Some kids also focus a lot on how much they like the coach and future teammates, though that wasn’t a big factor for most of the kids I know. It’s actually really hard to figure out potential fit unless you know kids on the team well.

Find the sweet spot in the middle. It’s called compromise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In my experience with boys’ high level soccer—not sure if it’s the same for girls—there are one to three factors that typically drive the decision to pick a lesser academic D1 school over an academically elite D3. For families that are not economically secure, who are very thrifty, and/or who are not obsessed with the idea that their kid is doomed if they don’t attend a name-brand school, it’s the athletic scholarship, as others have mentioned.

For everyone else (the majority in my wealthy striver community) the boys have their self-esteem very much connected to their soccer prowess as teens, and they correctly think their peers will be much more impressed by a D1 commitment than a D3 one. I know a pretty large number of kids who turned down an Amherst or Williams level school to play at a D1 school that is in the top 75 or so on the USNWR list. Their parents don’t typically allow them to go to a no-name D1 unless they are terrible students or have learning differences or something else that makes a non-elite school a better fit. I know many families who had a really rough time reaching a compromise on this issue, and also several where the kid gambled on getting a D1 offer and in the end had to settle for a lower-ranked D3 than the one that first offered.

The other potential factor is that some kids hope to go pro, and while that’s very difficult for boys to do if they opt to go the college route, it does happen every year, and is vastly more likely to happen if you play at a strong D1 program. Many of the schools with great D1 programs are academically excellent, but only a tiny number of kids get recruited to academically elite schools with great soccer programs. Some kids also focus a lot on how much they like the coach and future teammates, though that wasn’t a big factor for most of the kids I know. It’s actually really hard to figure out potential fit unless you know kids on the team well.

I agree that the possibility of going pro would be a factor. Honestly, college is not a concern for us at all in that we don’t care to be recruited. I have a promise from my child that be will get a college degree at some point (we have a college fund for him) but we’re gunning for a pro career. If in high school, that’s not looking likely, we’d pick college based on academics and maximizing his college fund. Of course if he gets a scholarship to play in college, we’d take it but the priority is the best school academically. He is also a very good student so I imagine that would be most important for him too.