Experiences with Early College at MC?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP - My niece and nephew went through the program. Both went onto UMCP and now are each respectively in graduate school in in-demand fields.

The snobby subtext the PP either espouses or alludes to is it’s widely looked down upon by wealthier schools as a program for poor kids. This isn't true - my brother and SIL are well off -but MoCo folks like to keep people who deviate from the academic norm in check if they aren’t at a W school. That stigma keeps kids out of the program.

Plenty of W HS kids do this program.

You are the snob. One of my neighbor's homes over $10 mil kids did this. Stop lumping all of the W parents into one group.

Give me a break. Show me the data that kids from W schools are in this track. No. They aren’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Depends what your kid is seeking. If it is acceleration/peer group for a highly abled kid, I've been told that taking the most rigorous classes in H.S. is the better way to achieve this. If it is college credit, finishing college sooner, or being more independent than a typical H.S.er, then classes at MC is the better approach.

This sounds like a reasonable summation.

But specifically for Early College students, they are with a cohort of high achieving students, not just taking a handful of random classes with the general MC population.

AP Language is equivalent to English 101
AP Calculus is equivalent to Calculus 101 (or whatever the actual course code is)

I wouldn’t say the most rigorous AP courses are actually better than the equivalent college credit class. There’s a reason some schools will take college credit classes when they won’t give credit just because you took an AP class.

MC is definitely not providing the experience that highly able kids would get at a real college. What is your familiarity with AP courses?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Depends what your kid is seeking. If it is acceleration/peer group for a highly abled kid, I've been told that taking the most rigorous classes in H.S. is the better way to achieve this. If it is college credit, finishing college sooner, or being more independent than a typical H.S.er, then classes at MC is the better approach.

This sounds like a reasonable summation.

But specifically for Early College students, they are with a cohort of high achieving students, not just taking a handful of random classes with the general MC population.

AP Language is equivalent to English 101
AP Calculus is equivalent to Calculus 101 (or whatever the actual course code is)

I wouldn’t say the most rigorous AP courses are actually better than the equivalent college credit class. There’s a reason some schools will take college credit classes when they won’t give credit just because you took an AP class.

MC is definitely not providing the experience that highly able kids would get at a real college. What is your familiarity with AP courses?

I teach one. 🙄 Also have had kids in various HS magnets and can compare AP and IB level courses. Also work with MC professors on some projects. Your bias is showing if you don’t think MC is a “real” college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Depends what your kid is seeking. If it is acceleration/peer group for a highly abled kid, I've been told that taking the most rigorous classes in H.S. is the better way to achieve this. If it is college credit, finishing college sooner, or being more independent than a typical H.S.er, then classes at MC is the better approach.

This sounds like a reasonable summation.

But specifically for Early College students, they are with a cohort of high achieving students, not just taking a handful of random classes with the general MC population.

AP Language is equivalent to English 101
AP Calculus is equivalent to Calculus 101 (or whatever the actual course code is)

I wouldn’t say the most rigorous AP courses are actually better than the equivalent college credit class. There’s a reason some schools will take college credit classes when they won’t give credit just because you took an AP class.

MC is definitely not providing the experience that highly able kids would get at a real college. What is your familiarity with AP courses?

I teach one. 🙄 Also have had kids in various HS magnets and can compare AP and IB level courses. Also work with MC professors on some projects. Your bias is showing if you don’t think MC is a “real” college.

Agree, PP. Moreover, the EC program provided students an AA with a jumpstart on a major which through Montgomery College translates to a Junior within a four year degree. It’s great for students who want an accelerated path to a BA / BS and can literally save families tens of thousands of dollars in college tuition. I hope when the time comes my kids will consider it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Depends what your kid is seeking. If it is acceleration/peer group for a highly abled kid, I've been told that taking the most rigorous classes in H.S. is the better way to achieve this. If it is college credit, finishing college sooner, or being more independent than a typical H.S.er, then classes at MC is the better approach.

This sounds like a reasonable summation.

But specifically for Early College students, they are with a cohort of high achieving students, not just taking a handful of random classes with the general MC population.

AP Language is equivalent to English 101
AP Calculus is equivalent to Calculus 101 (or whatever the actual course code is)

I wouldn’t say the most rigorous AP courses are actually better than the equivalent college credit class. There’s a reason some schools will take college credit classes when they won’t give credit just because you took an AP class.

MC is definitely not providing the experience that highly able kids would get at a real college. What is your familiarity with AP courses?

NP
Do you have kids in the early college program?
If not , you are just guessing about this few years old program.
This students took AP at 9th and 10th grade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Depends what your kid is seeking. If it is acceleration/peer group for a highly abled kid, I've been told that taking the most rigorous classes in H.S. is the better way to achieve this. If it is college credit, finishing college sooner, or being more independent than a typical H.S.er, then classes at MC is the better approach.

This sounds like a reasonable summation.

But specifically for Early College students, they are with a cohort of high achieving students, not just taking a handful of random classes with the general MC population.

AP Language is equivalent to English 101
AP Calculus is equivalent to Calculus 101 (or whatever the actual course code is)

I wouldn’t say the most rigorous AP courses are actually better than the equivalent college credit class. There’s a reason some schools will take college credit classes when they won’t give credit just because you took an AP class.

MC is definitely not providing the experience that highly able kids would get at a real college. What is your familiarity with AP courses?

I teach one. 🙄 Also have had kids in various HS magnets and can compare AP and IB level courses. Also work with MC professors on some projects. Your bias is showing if you don’t think MC is a “real” college.

I have taught multiple AP courses for 12 years and have had students in both my classes and at MC. Even the students say the MC courses are easier, and any glance at the syllabi will let you know that MC classes may be comparable to directional state schools, but not the schools that most MCPS parents aspire to.

If your AP course is not better than a MC course, you need to step it up. Mine are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've taken some classes at MC, and they were easier than my HS courses, and half the class was barely literate in English. If you can't afford a university, then this program is great, but if you have $ send your kid to UMD.

You’ve totally missed the point of this program. These are HS kids taking college courses. Most of them could not get into UMD at 14, 15, 16 without a HS diploma.

I don’t know what you are talking about. But my son had the same teacher in Montgomery college for organic chemistry 1 as he did for organic chemistry 2 in UMCP. Montgomery College is great and attracts amazing professors who are not interested in research and tenure. Or, was this an anti-Latino snark?

Your post doesn't speak too highly for the quality of education at UMCP. I can also tell you don't know much about careers in post-secondary education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've taken some classes at MC, and they were easier than my HS courses, and half the class was barely literate in English. If you can't afford a university, then this program is great, but if you have $ send your kid to UMD.

You’ve totally missed the point of this program. These are HS kids taking college courses. Most of them could not get into UMD at 14, 15, 16 without a HS diploma.

I don’t know what you are talking about. But my son had the same teacher in Montgomery college for organic chemistry 1 as he did for organic chemistry 2 in UMCP. Montgomery College is great and attracts amazing professors who are not interested in research and tenure. Or, was this an anti-Latino snark?

My DD is taking organic chemistry as early college and likes her professor.
I think the pp took some easy classes after high school.

I have no idea why the two of you are attacking me. I’m on your side. One of my children is taking MC classes in high school via Middle College.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Depends what your kid is seeking. If it is acceleration/peer group for a highly abled kid, I've been told that taking the most rigorous classes in H.S. is the better way to achieve this. If it is college credit, finishing college sooner, or being more independent than a typical H.S.er, then classes at MC is the better approach.

This sounds like a reasonable summation.

But specifically for Early College students, they are with a cohort of high achieving students, not just taking a handful of random classes with the general MC population.

AP Language is equivalent to English 101
AP Calculus is equivalent to Calculus 101 (or whatever the actual course code is)

I wouldn’t say the most rigorous AP courses are actually better than the equivalent college credit class. There’s a reason some schools will take college credit classes when they won’t give credit just because you took an AP class.

MC is definitely not providing the experience that highly able kids would get at a real college. What is your familiarity with AP courses?

I teach one. 🙄 Also have had kids in various HS magnets and can compare AP and IB level courses. Also work with MC professors on some projects. Your bias is showing if you don’t think MC is a “real” college.

Okay. I'll bite. I took a Biology course at MC as a career changer. My adjunct professor revealed that her day job was teaching the AP version of the same class at a well-respected MCPS high school. I asked her how the two courses compared and her response was that she could cover more material in her AP course.

That being said, one of my other classes had a Dual Enrollment (Early College?) student in it from Northwood. She was a standout and very mature. I think she would have done fine in a magnet or W school as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Depends what your kid is seeking. If it is acceleration/peer group for a highly abled kid, I've been told that taking the most rigorous classes in H.S. is the better way to achieve this. If it is college credit, finishing college sooner, or being more independent than a typical H.S.er, then classes at MC is the better approach.

This sounds like a reasonable summation.

But specifically for Early College students, they are with a cohort of high achieving students, not just taking a handful of random classes with the general MC population.

AP Language is equivalent to English 101
AP Calculus is equivalent to Calculus 101 (or whatever the actual course code is)

I wouldn’t say the most rigorous AP courses are actually better than the equivalent college credit class. There’s a reason some schools will take college credit classes when they won’t give credit just because you took an AP class.

MC is definitely not providing the experience that highly able kids would get at a real college. What is your familiarity with AP courses?

I teach one. 🙄 Also have had kids in various HS magnets and can compare AP and IB level courses. Also work with MC professors on some projects. Your bias is showing if you don’t think MC is a “real” college.

Okay. I'll bite. I took a Biology course at MC as a career changer. My adjunct professor revealed that her day job was teaching the AP version of the same class at a well-respected MCPS high school. I asked her how the two courses compared and her response was that she could cover more material in her AP course.

That being said, one of my other classes had a Dual Enrollment (Early College?) student in it from Northwood. She was a standout and very mature. I think she would have done fine in a magnet or W school as well.

NP
Like I said previously early college and dual enrollment are not the same.
Early college students cover a subject in a semester like regular college instead of year long for AP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone’s kid done the early college at MC where they get an associate’s degree at the same time as an MCPS high school diploma? My 10th grader is thinking about applying and I’m looking for some stories to add to the details on the web pages.

I don't have any info about this program with MC/MCPS, however there was a similar program in the state where I grew up. I went to a state school and was unaware of this program when I arrived as a Freshman. Let me say that I was somewhat irritated to find out that other first year Freshman already had a full year of credits and were effectively Sophmores. None had AA's but all had credits from community college that transfers to our public 4-year university. Getting an AA is another level.

I'd say go for it if your kid is intent on going to a state school. You will save a lot of money and they will start college with a massive credit cushion so they should be able to probably complete a BA + MA in 4-5 years, which would be an awesome way to get started in life.

[Anonymous]

We're listening to the zoom right now and it sounds like a para-professional program, not something for highly-abled students who are interested (and can afford) in attending competitive colleges. True?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We're listening to the zoom right now and it sounds like a para-professional program, not something for highly-abled students who are interested (and can afford) in attending competitive colleges. True?

My DD has had straight As since seventh grade and is now a 10th grader three years above grade level in math. She’s taking two APs and an MC class this semester. Is that highly-abled enough for you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Depends what your kid is seeking. If it is acceleration/peer group for a highly abled kid, I've been told that taking the most rigorous classes in H.S. is the better way to achieve this. If it is college credit, finishing college sooner, or being more independent than a typical H.S.er, then classes at MC is the better approach.

This sounds like a reasonable summation.

But specifically for Early College students, they are with a cohort of high achieving students, not just taking a handful of random classes with the general MC population.

AP Language is equivalent to English 101
AP Calculus is equivalent to Calculus 101 (or whatever the actual course code is)

I wouldn’t say the most rigorous AP courses are actually better than the equivalent college credit class. There’s a reason some schools will take college credit classes when they won’t give credit just because you took an AP class.

MC is definitely not providing the experience that highly able kids would get at a real college. What is your familiarity with AP courses?

I teach one. 🙄 Also have had kids in various HS magnets and can compare AP and IB level courses. Also work with MC professors on some projects. Your bias is showing if you don’t think MC is a “real” college.

Okay. I'll bite. I took a Biology course at MC as a career changer. My adjunct professor revealed that her day job was teaching the AP version of the same class at a well-respected MCPS high school. I asked her how the two courses compared and her response was that she could cover more material in her AP course.

That being said, one of my other classes had a Dual Enrollment (Early College?) student in it from Northwood. She was a standout and very mature. I think she would have done fine in a magnet or W school as well.

NP
Like I said previously early college and dual enrollment are not the same.
Early college students cover a subject in a semester like regular college instead of year long for AP.

AP Bio receives credit for two college courses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Depends what your kid is seeking. If it is acceleration/peer group for a highly abled kid, I've been told that taking the most rigorous classes in H.S. is the better way to achieve this. If it is college credit, finishing college sooner, or being more independent than a typical H.S.er, then classes at MC is the better approach.

This sounds like a reasonable summation.

But specifically for Early College students, they are with a cohort of high achieving students, not just taking a handful of random classes with the general MC population.

AP Language is equivalent to English 101
AP Calculus is equivalent to Calculus 101 (or whatever the actual course code is)

I wouldn’t say the most rigorous AP courses are actually better than the equivalent college credit class. There’s a reason some schools will take college credit classes when they won’t give credit just because you took an AP class.

MC is definitely not providing the experience that highly able kids would get at a real college. What is your familiarity with AP courses?

I teach one. 🙄 Also have had kids in various HS magnets and can compare AP and IB level courses. Also work with MC professors on some projects. Your bias is showing if you don’t think MC is a “real” college.

Okay. I'll bite. I took a Biology course at MC as a career changer. My adjunct professor revealed that her day job was teaching the AP version of the same class at a well-respected MCPS high school. I asked her how the two courses compared and her response was that she could cover more material in her AP course.

That being said, one of my other classes had a Dual Enrollment (Early College?) student in it from Northwood. She was a standout and very mature. I think she would have done fine in a magnet or W school as well.

NP
Like I said previously early college and dual enrollment are not the same.
Early college students cover a subject in a semester like regular college instead of year long for AP.

AP Bio receives credit for two college courses.

If and only if your college accepts it. Many don't now, and many others only accept it as a prereq rather than for credit.