Comment obviously not nice, but not sure what was meant

[Anonymous]

A bit odd that by the time you have a kid playing u14 you would not understand basic style of play but it is harder to play on smaller fields.

It is a simple style of play rarely used if opponents are physically equal. The US women will still sometimes use a “very direct” style (dump and run, kick and run) because they sometimes will play a relevant game against a team whose defenders are simply unable to back track quick enough. So - the US team might dump a ball behind the defenders and let someone like Morgan (okay a Morgan of a few years back) run onto it and then be in 1v1 against the keeper.

On the full size field at young ages (u13/u14) some teams will still try it because against kids who are not yet organized defensively (still sorting out how to play on the bigger field) or may be slower; it could be effective. Once kids/teams get some basics down - unless you have the physical mismatches like the US women sometimes can get - the strategy becomes very ineffective. You end up just turning it over to the other team. What happens? Your team tries to dump it in and let a forward run on to it. A defender wins the race to the ball. If they win by a lot they may turn and play it themselves. Otherwise they will pass to another defender who also came back, or pass back to the keeper who then starts the play moving forward.

One of the big overall strategies is to maintain possession of the ball as much as possible. If you have the ball 2 big positives occur (1) your team can score, and (2) your team will not be giving up a goal. Once you give it up to play “direct”, you have to win it back before you can do anything else. And, that means the opponent can (and frankly should) win it, and then they get to play their own control game.

[Anonymous]

A bit odd that by the time you have a kid playing u14 you would not understand basic style of play but it is harder to play on smaller fields.

I appreciate the explanation, genuinely. Soccer and sports are not my thing, I am the mom. Unfortunately, DS's father, my ex, who is much more involved in DS' sports, is currently overseas. He's a ok guy, and I could ask if he were here and I happened to see him, but he's not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A bit odd that by the time you have a kid playing u14 you would not understand basic style of play but it is harder to play on smaller fields.

It is a simple style of play rarely used if opponents are physically equal. The US women will still sometimes use a “very direct” style (dump and run, kick and run) because they sometimes will play a relevant game against a team whose defenders are simply unable to back track quick enough. So - the US team might dump a ball behind the defenders and let someone like Morgan (okay a Morgan of a few years back) run onto it and then be in 1v1 against the keeper.

On the full size field at young ages (u13/u14) some teams will still try it because against kids who are not yet organized defensively (still sorting out how to play on the bigger field) or may be slower; it could be effective. Once kids/teams get some basics down - unless you have the physical mismatches like the US women sometimes can get - the strategy becomes very ineffective. You end up just turning it over to the other team. What happens? Your team tries to dump it in and let a forward run on to it. A defender wins the race to the ball. If they win by a lot they may turn and play it themselves. Otherwise they will pass to another defender who also came back, or pass back to the keeper who then starts the play moving forward.

One of the big overall strategies is to maintain possession of the ball as much as possible. If you have the ball 2 big positives occur (1) your team can score, and (2) your team will not be giving up a goal. Once you give it up to play “direct”, you have to win it back before you can do anything else. And, that means the opponent can (and frankly should) win it, and then they get to play their own control game.

Great explanation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It was just a comment. I don't think it was meant to be offensive.

I agree. Relax, OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was just a comment. I don't think it was meant to be offensive.

I agree. Relax, OP.

Agree, and try watching the Premier League every weekend, you might actually learn something about the sport.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was just a comment. I don't think it was meant to be offensive.

I agree. Relax, OP.

Agree, and try watching the Premier League every weekend, you might actually learn something about the sport.

Yeah, if you want to learn more about kickball!
Watch La Liga in Spain or Serie A in Italy if you're seriously interested in learning tactical soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. I have noticed that my son does have a different style of play than some teammates (he plays fustal seriously year rould outside of soccer and is very tiny). But, as I mentioned, I don't know the most about soccer or any sports, really. I feel like he is reasonably appreciated on the team. I am not sure exactly what "kickball" entails. Can someone explain?

BS if you're on this forum you know exactly what kickball is

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A bit odd that by the time you have a kid playing u14 you would not understand basic style of play but it is harder to play on smaller fields.

It is a simple style of play rarely used if opponents are physically equal. The US women will still sometimes use a “very direct” style (dump and run, kick and run) because they sometimes will play a relevant game against a team whose defenders are simply unable to back track quick enough. So - the US team might dump a ball behind the defenders and let someone like Morgan (okay a Morgan of a few years back) run onto it and then be in 1v1 against the keeper.

On the full size field at young ages (u13/u14) some teams will still try it because against kids who are not yet organized defensively (still sorting out how to play on the bigger field) or may be slower; it could be effective. Once kids/teams get some basics down - unless you have the physical mismatches like the US women sometimes can get - the strategy becomes very ineffective. You end up just turning it over to the other team. What happens? Your team tries to dump it in and let a forward run on to it. A defender wins the race to the ball. If they win by a lot they may turn and play it themselves. Otherwise they will pass to another defender who also came back, or pass back to the keeper who then starts the play moving forward.

One of the big overall strategies is to maintain possession of the ball as much as possible. If you have the ball 2 big positives occur (1) your team can score, and (2) your team will not be giving up a goal. Once you give it up to play “direct”, you have to win it back before you can do anything else. And, that means the opponent can (and frankly should) win it, and then they get to play their own control game.

Great explanation.

+1 as a newer family to soccer and as a parent who didn’t play, I greatly appreciate the explanation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A bit odd that by the time you have a kid playing u14 you would not understand basic style of play but it is harder to play on smaller fields.

It is a simple style of play rarely used if opponents are physically equal. The US women will still sometimes use a “very direct” style (dump and run, kick and run) because they sometimes will play a relevant game against a team whose defenders are simply unable to back track quick enough. So - the US team might dump a ball behind the defenders and let someone like Morgan (okay a Morgan of a few years back) run onto it and then be in 1v1 against the keeper.

On the full size field at young ages (u13/u14) some teams will still try it because against kids who are not yet organized defensively (still sorting out how to play on the bigger field) or may be slower; it could be effective. Once kids/teams get some basics down - unless you have the physical mismatches like the US women sometimes can get - the strategy becomes very ineffective. You end up just turning it over to the other team. What happens? Your team tries to dump it in and let a forward run on to it. A defender wins the race to the ball. If they win by a lot they may turn and play it themselves. Otherwise they will pass to another defender who also came back, or pass back to the keeper who then starts the play moving forward.

One of the big overall strategies is to maintain possession of the ball as much as possible. If you have the ball 2 big positives occur (1) your team can score, and (2) your team will not be giving up a goal. Once you give it up to play “direct”, you have to win it back before you can do anything else. And, that means the opponent can (and frankly should) win it, and then they get to play their own control game.

Great explanation.

+1 as a newer family to soccer and as a parent who didn’t play, I greatly appreciate the explanation.

Ditto. OP the soccer forum has a bunch of jerks, ignore them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, my son has played for a possession-based club and a more kickball-eque club. At the end of the day, I am glad he had both experiences, because it is good to learn what all of your options are.

OMG. YES! I grew up playing soccer, raised by a soccer coach, etc. I really don't love to watch kickball. I actively sought out Clubs that focused on ball skill very young and then possession based clubs so my boys would get lots of touches.

BUT--the majority of soccer played in the US is based on pure athleticism, aggression and speed. I kept my older kid a year too long in the possession Club (thanks Covid) so when he went onto the high school field and to a new Club he was literally like 'WTF?' He had a hard time realizing that teammates would not be making the runs or anticipating the passes and he was to go forward no matter what. There was also a much greater level of air ball plays. We had to drill in his head 'stop trying to finesse and play pretty'---just frickin' GO!! and GO HARD--into every player ball . Play those long balls out to the wing that your new coaches love or you will be riding the pine the entire season. We were frustrated with our kids incessant need to play it back even with no pressure as an automatic first touch/play as the were taught. Very few of the players around you understand what you are trying to do and will not anticipate you playing it to them so it just looks like you made a shitty pass. And when you are anywhere near the box take the damn shot.

I see the value in putting a kid in both styles. We learned and made the switch with the younger one a year early and the Coach still values touches but has a more Liverpool attacking style which I love after watching our kids teams beautifully possess, posses, possess and never finish.

There is value in playing all styles. BUT--you really need to have the possession and tactics down FIRST before going to the more direct, kickball style. It's next to impossible to teach older kids how to learn possession/reading the field at the teen ages. We saw this at our old Club A LOT.

We had the exact same experience when our DD played HS soccer. Basically, “Forget everything you’ve learned in the last decade of club soccer, and think of this as a different sport (though you still can’t use your hands).”

[Anonymous]

If you want to watch high quality kickball, go watch an ACC game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was just a comment. I don't think it was meant to be offensive.

I agree. Relax, OP.

Agree, and try watching the Premier League every weekend, you might actually learn something about the sport.

Yeah, if you want to learn more about kickball!
Watch La Liga in Spain or Serie A in Italy if you're seriously interested in learning tactical soccer.

Get out of here with that wanker

[Anonymous]

Ah, the ol' 4-0-6, my favorite setup