if I move to Canada while my kids are in college...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter whether you leave the state or the country. The effect is identical: you lose in state tuition privileges one year following abandoning the state. The only way to get around this legally is for your kids to be declared independent, but that's difficult to do because the presumption is that undergraduate students are dependents and it's hard to get around that.

BUT -- it's not that hard to sneak around it. If you have electronic billing set up, don't change your address. Everything will continue to be sent to you on line with your old address.

Worked for me.

If you change your address at the post office the school will be notified. How do you think the $$ requests follow you around?

That’s not happening. You have a lot of faith in the post office that can’t even deliver mail effectively. They’re absolutely not doing this.

The week after I moved, I received a solicitation from my college addressed to my new address. There is no other way they would have known I moved.

And you seriously believe the post office notified them of this?? Ok then. We just moved. I get tons of random crap sent to my new address. You think the post office notified bed bath and beyond and home depot that I moved? It's a thing called public records.

OP I have heard rumors that some of the VA schools don't verify residency after admission. Don't know if this is true but I've heard rumors.

You can absolutely buy this info. I work for a non profit but companies like Lowes and BBB also are very interested in knowing who has just moved. My group does not want to lose track of everyone who moves. I do not know how it might be used by universities but I am sure many Development Offices track it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter whether you leave the state or the country. The effect is identical: you lose in state tuition privileges one year following abandoning the state. The only way to get around this legally is for your kids to be declared independent, but that's difficult to do because the presumption is that undergraduate students are dependents and it's hard to get around that.

BUT -- it's not that hard to sneak around it. If you have electronic billing set up, don't change your address. Everything will continue to be sent to you on line with your old address.

Worked for me.

What would be the ways around it? OP's kids would have to get married, have a kid, or enlist in the military...any other options?

At age 18+, aren't the children eligible to no longer be "dependents" regardless of marital, veteran, etc status? if the kids are living in VA, even at a rented apartment, and paying VA taxes, AND assuming the kids aren't getting grants/aid from FAFSA, then why not age 18? (My kids are still in HS, so I am not fully knowledgeable about being declared independent.)

If you are paying for their college, they are on your health insurance, you are paying for their apartment they are dependents for the college's purpose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the statute:

Section 23-7.4 of the Code of Virginia, relevant excerpt:

If the person through whom the dependent student or unemancipated minor established such domicile and eligibility for in-state tuition abandons his Virginia domicile, the dependent student or unemancipated minor shall be entitled to such in-state tuition for one year from the date of such abandonment.

So it sounds like you could move when the youngest is a junior?

[Anonymous]

If you moved soon, you may just have two years of out of state tuition for the younger one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter whether you leave the state or the country. The effect is identical: you lose in state tuition privileges one year following abandoning the state. The only way to get around this legally is for your kids to be declared independent, but that's difficult to do because the presumption is that undergraduate students are dependents and it's hard to get around that.

BUT -- it's not that hard to sneak around it. If you have electronic billing set up, don't change your address. Everything will continue to be sent to you on line with your old address.

Worked for me.

If you change your address at the post office the school will be notified. How do you think the $$ requests follow you around?

That’s not happening. You have a lot of faith in the post office that can’t even deliver mail effectively. They’re absolutely not doing this.

The week after I moved, I received a solicitation from my college addressed to my new address. There is no other way they would have known I moved.

And you seriously believe the post office notified them of this?? Ok then. We just moved. I get tons of random crap sent to my new address. You think the post office notified bed bath and beyond and home depot that I moved? It's a thing called public records.

OP I have heard rumors that some of the VA schools don't verify residency after admission. Don't know if this is true but I've heard rumors.

You can absolutely buy this info. I work for a non profit but companies like Lowes and BBB also are very interested in knowing who has just moved. My group does not want to lose track of everyone who moves. I do not know how it might be used by universities but I am sure many Development Offices track it.

How would a US Post Office get the address of someone who lives in Canada? LOL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter whether you leave the state or the country. The effect is identical: you lose in state tuition privileges one year following abandoning the state. The only way to get around this legally is for your kids to be declared independent, but that's difficult to do because the presumption is that undergraduate students are dependents and it's hard to get around that.

BUT -- it's not that hard to sneak around it. If you have electronic billing set up, don't change your address. Everything will continue to be sent to you on line with your old address.

Worked for me.

If you change your address at the post office the school will be notified. How do you think the $$ requests follow you around?

That’s not happening. You have a lot of faith in the post office that can’t even deliver mail effectively. They’re absolutely not doing this.

The week after I moved, I received a solicitation from my college addressed to my new address. There is no other way they would have known I moved.

And you seriously believe the post office notified them of this?? Ok then. We just moved. I get tons of random crap sent to my new address. You think the post office notified bed bath and beyond and home depot that I moved? It's a thing called public records.

OP I have heard rumors that some of the VA schools don't verify residency after admission. Don't know if this is true but I've heard rumors.

You can absolutely buy this info. I work for a non profit but companies like Lowes and BBB also are very interested in knowing who has just moved. My group does not want to lose track of everyone who moves. I do not know how it might be used by universities but I am sure many Development Offices track it.

How would a US Post Office get the address of someone who lives in Canada? LOL.

I think pp’s are assuming that OP would have their mail forwarded.

Google is your friend.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamtanner/2013/07/08/how-the-post-office-sells-your-new-address-with-anyone-who-pays-and-the-little-known-loophole-to-opt-out/?sh=49676a6739f3

[Anonymous]

https://www.schev.edu/index/tuition-aid/in-state-residency

[Anonymous]

Can't you just keep a VA residence and pay VA taxes while your kids are in college? You'll want to compare the difference between that option and out of state tuition to see which is least expensive. Definitely consult a tax attorney or at least a CPA who is familiar with international tax rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.schev.edu/index/tuition-aid/in-state-residency

OP, this is actually helpful information, versus "try this."

Especially this newer section:

TUITION EQUITY PROVISION FOR HIGH SCHOOL COMPLETERS.
Virginia’s newest in-state tuition provision is reserved for high school completers and is often referred to as the Tuition Equity provision. Please note that under this provision, the legal status of the parent is immaterial. The basic provisions require that:

The Student not have a current valid student (F), trainee (H3), exchange visitor (J) or vocational (M) visa;
The Student attend at least two years of high school in Virginia;
The Student complete high school requirements (high school graduation or complete GED) in Virginia, on or after July 1, 2008;
The Student, or if dependent, the dependent student’s parents, file Virginia income taxes for at least two years; and
The Student register into a Virginia public college or university.
For details, consult with your institution’s domicile officer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.schev.edu/index/tuition-aid/in-state-residency

Fascinating, what is the purpose of the High School Completers provision?

[Anonymous]

I thought the completers provisions were written for students without documentation of citizenship. Could be wrong...

It does seem odd if you are a expat living overseas and are not associated with the US military or US State Dept. and are a VA resident that you don't qualify for instate tuition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter whether you leave the state or the country. The effect is identical: you lose in state tuition privileges one year following abandoning the state. The only way to get around this legally is for your kids to be declared independent, but that's difficult to do because the presumption is that undergraduate students are dependents and it's hard to get around that.

BUT -- it's not that hard to sneak around it. If you have electronic billing set up, don't change your address. Everything will continue to be sent to you on line with your old address.

Worked for me.

If you change your address at the post office the school will be notified. How do you think the $$ requests follow you around?

That’s not happening. You have a lot of faith in the post office that can’t even deliver mail effectively. They’re absolutely not doing this.

The week after I moved, I received a solicitation from my college addressed to my new address. There is no other way they would have known I moved.

And you seriously believe the post office notified them of this?? Ok then. We just moved. I get tons of random crap sent to my new address. You think the post office notified bed bath and beyond and home depot that I moved? It's a thing called public records.

OP I have heard rumors that some of the VA schools don't verify residency after admission. Don't know if this is true but I've heard rumors.

You can absolutely buy this info. I work for a non profit but companies like Lowes and BBB also are very interested in knowing who has just moved. My group does not want to lose track of everyone who moves. I do not know how it might be used by universities but I am sure many Development Offices track it.

How would a US Post Office get the address of someone who lives in Canada? LOL.

Because almost everyone who moves wants their mail forwarded and therefore gives the post office the address. LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter whether you leave the state or the country. The effect is identical: you lose in state tuition privileges one year following abandoning the state. The only way to get around this legally is for your kids to be declared independent, but that's difficult to do because the presumption is that undergraduate students are dependents and it's hard to get around that.

BUT -- it's not that hard to sneak around it. If you have electronic billing set up, don't change your address. Everything will continue to be sent to you on line with your old address.

Worked for me.

What would be the ways around it? OP's kids would have to get married, have a kid, or enlist in the military...any other options?

At age 18+, aren't the children eligible to no longer be "dependents" regardless of marital, veteran, etc status? if the kids are living in VA, even at a rented apartment, and paying VA taxes, AND assuming the kids aren't getting grants/aid from FAFSA, then why not age 18? (My kids are still in HS, so I am not fully knowledgeable about being declared independent.)

No. There is a presumption that kids under 24 are dependents and you need to overcome that presumption by clear and convincing evidence.

Does the age at 24 hold true even if the children aren't getting any loans, grants, or other aid???

What is germane is if the child is receiving assistance from the parents. ANY assistance from the parents qualifies the child as a dependent, not emancipated. If there was not a strict line on this then every Tom, Dick, and Harry would claim their kid was on their own.