Poolesville - Math path

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone willing to chime in on what to take after BC Cal/ AP Stats as a junior at PHS.

I assume the normal path would be MV Cal for a kid that wants to do engineering.

Not sure if it’s an option here but SMCS kids take Linear Algebra / Discrete Math after AP Calc some of which is maybe overlap with AP stats since they took that test. Poolesville also has Vector Calculus. Linear Algebra and Vector Calculus take the UMD final and this can be used for credit.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you. He did not get in to Roberto Clemente magnet program. Does the middle school magnet program offer Algebra in grade 6, Geometry in grade 7 and Algebra 2 in grade 8?
I heard Poolesville SMACs do not offer Algebra 2? This is what is very confusing for us.

No, 6th grade Algebra is mostly offered at Wealthy Potomac Schools. I think one even offers AIM in 5th and another allows any student with >250 to take Algebra in 6th.

Good grief! Not you, again!

There appear to be a few schools where parents band together, and, having independently accelerated their children with outside enrichment during early/middle elementary, finagle an elementary principal into offering that in 5th grade, with the consequence that Algebra then is afforded to that cohort (or several of them) in 6th.

Whether or not this is advisable for any but those who are not only thus accelerated by famiy, but also more highly naturally attuned to math than would be served by the standard MCPS acceleration options, is a matter of debate. Of less debate:

-- Such accomodation, per the many prior threads that have touched on this subject, appears not to be exclusive to "Wealthy Potomac Schools," though, among the very few schools doing this, it seems to be provided at at least one school that could be described as drawing from north Potomac.

-- Such accomodation, if available at one school, should be similarly available at all schools.

-- MCPS remains reticent about this, and whether intentionally or not, fosters inequity by doing so.

-- The PP routinely shows up in related threads, often one resurrected from long enough ago as to be deprecated (certainly with more recent and relevant discussion being available in other threads), to bandy the "Wealthy Potomac Schools"/"WPES" trope.

Yes, they offer acceleration, mostly only at the Wealthy Potomac schools.

Misdirecting tripe again from you, probably aimed at engendering thoughts that, because of the way you continually send up the "Wealthy Potomac" trope, offering of such acceleration within MCPS isn't even a reality, when it is, but just not supported or communicated by MCPS central in a way that would allow more standardized access across the school district.

07:57 poster -- better to ask your question in a new thread than have to read this (the go-see-the-counselor post notwithstanding).

It's completely accurate. Why are you trying to cover this up?

For those of you just joining us, here's a poster who constantly insiunuates that special math acceleration happens in the most wealthy area. There is some truth to this, of course, as at least one ES in the north Potomac vicinity is understood to facilitate, routinely, a pathway to Algebra in 6th, a year ahead of the standard MCPS accceleration that allows for a two year advancement from Common Core over three grades. That extra accommodation is understood to be the result of group family advocacy with dedication to outside enrichment.

However, the poster's main purpose seems to be to gin up uncertainty, utilizing an assumption of group envy. They play coy with terms like "mostly", but never provide specifics, referring only to "Wealthy Potomac" and the fictional "WPES". Their messages are brief, claiming truth and casting doubt while failing to provide supports of their own. Despite the knowledge claimed, there never are concrete, actionable suggestions for how other communities or families might encourage such accommodation, themselves, if they found their children demonstrating ability and interest that would warrant such extra acceleration.

MCPS central professes availability of that accommodation on a case by case basis. However, many schools are loath to engage in the logistics that would be required to fulfill that. Whole cohorts at a few schools, and not only in areas of highest wealth, being provided the accommodation underline the MCPS failure to address needs equitably. Public acknowledgement is, therefore, avoided.

The poster, with their short, uninformative and dismissive posts, appears to hope to undermine any such notion of MCPS not living up to its obligations and professed ideals. They agree, in a way and on the surface, but in such an unsympathetic manner as to sway opinion in the opposite direction.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you. He did not get in to Roberto Clemente magnet program. Does the middle school magnet program offer Algebra in grade 6, Geometry in grade 7 and Algebra 2 in grade 8?
I heard Poolesville SMACs do not offer Algebra 2? This is what is very confusing for us.

No, 6th grade Algebra is mostly offered at Wealthy Potomac Schools. I think one even offers AIM in 5th and another allows any student with >250 to take Algebra in 6th.

Good grief! Not you, again!

There appear to be a few schools where parents band together, and, having independently accelerated their children with outside enrichment during early/middle elementary, finagle an elementary principal into offering that in 5th grade, with the consequence that Algebra then is afforded to that cohort (or several of them) in 6th.

Whether or not this is advisable for any but those who are not only thus accelerated by famiy, but also more highly naturally attuned to math than would be served by the standard MCPS acceleration options, is a matter of debate. Of less debate:

-- Such accomodation, per the many prior threads that have touched on this subject, appears not to be exclusive to "Wealthy Potomac Schools," though, among the very few schools doing this, it seems to be provided at at least one school that could be described as drawing from north Potomac.

-- Such accomodation, if available at one school, should be similarly available at all schools.

-- MCPS remains reticent about this, and whether intentionally or not, fosters inequity by doing so.

-- The PP routinely shows up in related threads, often one resurrected from long enough ago as to be deprecated (certainly with more recent and relevant discussion being available in other threads), to bandy the "Wealthy Potomac Schools"/"WPES" trope.

Yes, they offer acceleration, mostly only at the Wealthy Potomac schools.

Misdirecting tripe again from you, probably aimed at engendering thoughts that, because of the way you continually send up the "Wealthy Potomac" trope, offering of such acceleration within MCPS isn't even a reality, when it is, but just not supported or communicated by MCPS central in a way that would allow more standardized access across the school district.

07:57 poster -- better to ask your question in a new thread than have to read this (the go-see-the-counselor post notwithstanding).

It's completely accurate. Why are you trying to cover this up?

For those of you just joining us, here's a poster who constantly insiunuates that special math acceleration happens in the most wealthy area. There is some truth to this, of course, as at least one ES in the north Potomac vicinity is understood to facilitate, routinely, a pathway to Algebra in 6th, a year ahead of the standard MCPS accceleration that allows for a two year advancement from Common Core over three grades. That extra accommodation is understood to be the result of group family advocacy with dedication to outside enrichment.

However, the poster's main purpose seems to be to gin up uncertainty, utilizing an assumption of group envy. They play coy with terms like "mostly", but never provide specifics, referring only to "Wealthy Potomac" and the fictional "WPES". Their messages are brief, claiming truth and casting doubt while failing to provide supports of their own. Despite the knowledge claimed, there never are concrete, actionable suggestions for how other communities or families might encourage such accommodation, themselves, if they found their children demonstrating ability and interest that would warrant such extra acceleration.

MCPS central professes availability of that accommodation on a case by case basis. However, many schools are loath to engage in the logistics that would be required to fulfill that. Whole cohorts at a few schools, and not only in areas of highest wealth, being provided the accommodation underline the MCPS failure to address needs equitably. Public acknowledgement is, therefore, avoided.

The poster, with their short, uninformative and dismissive posts, appears to hope to undermine any such notion of MCPS not living up to its obligations and professed ideals. They agree, in a way and on the surface, but in such an unsympathetic manner as to sway opinion in the opposite direction.

What they're saying completely squares with my experience. At our school, I asked if there were enrichment opportunities for ES children with MAP-M scores over 250. They said no. My child later attended TPMS, where all the students who were in algebra or higher in 6th grade came from the same wealthy Potomac schools the poster is talking about.

The more likely explanation is people who benefit from this are trying to keep it under wraps because they know it's wrong.

[Anonymous]

WPES parents sign a non-disclosure about the special programs their kids get.

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Anonymous wrote:WPES parents sign a non-disclosure about the special programs their kids get.

That’s funny. But seriously, what good does it do a kid long-term to take Alg in 5th grade? Do W schools have past MVC? My kid took in 7th and started UMD having finished all the math classes required for a CS degree. How much more advanced would you want to be?

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Anonymous wrote:WPES parents sign a non-disclosure about the special programs their kids get.

That’s funny. But seriously, what good does it do a kid long-term to take Alg in 5th grade? Do W schools have past MVC? My kid took in 7th and started UMD having finished all the math classes required for a CS degree. How much more advanced would you want to be?

In my experience as a magnet parent. One of the WPES offers AIM in 5th to many advanced students. I suspect there's a large cohort of advanced students there relative to other schools, so it's not all that shocking that there's some pressure to do this. Similarly, another WPES MS offers Algebra to any 6th-grade student who can score over 250 on the 5th-grade map. Some rare kids advance even more, but it's also a function of parental pressure. Even at TPMS they won't advance students without considerable parental pressure.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you. He did not get in to Roberto Clemente magnet program. Does the middle school magnet program offer Algebra in grade 6, Geometry in grade 7 and Algebra 2 in grade 8?
I heard Poolesville SMACs do not offer Algebra 2? This is what is very confusing for us.

No, 6th grade Algebra is mostly offered at Wealthy Potomac Schools. I think one even offers AIM in 5th and another allows any student with >250 to take Algebra in 6th.

Good grief! Not you, again!

There appear to be a few schools where parents band together, and, having independently accelerated their children with outside enrichment during early/middle elementary, finagle an elementary principal into offering that in 5th grade, with the consequence that Algebra then is afforded to that cohort (or several of them) in 6th.

Whether or not this is advisable for any but those who are not only thus accelerated by famiy, but also more highly naturally attuned to math than would be served by the standard MCPS acceleration options, is a matter of debate. Of less debate:

-- Such accomodation, per the many prior threads that have touched on this subject, appears not to be exclusive to "Wealthy Potomac Schools," though, among the very few schools doing this, it seems to be provided at at least one school that could be described as drawing from north Potomac.

-- Such accomodation, if available at one school, should be similarly available at all schools.

-- MCPS remains reticent about this, and whether intentionally or not, fosters inequity by doing so.

-- The PP routinely shows up in related threads, often one resurrected from long enough ago as to be deprecated (certainly with more recent and relevant discussion being available in other threads), to bandy the "Wealthy Potomac Schools"/"WPES" trope.

Yes, they offer acceleration, mostly only at the Wealthy Potomac schools.

Misdirecting tripe again from you, probably aimed at engendering thoughts that, because of the way you continually send up the "Wealthy Potomac" trope, offering of such acceleration within MCPS isn't even a reality, when it is, but just not supported or communicated by MCPS central in a way that would allow more standardized access across the school district.

07:57 poster -- better to ask your question in a new thread than have to read this (the go-see-the-counselor post notwithstanding).

It's completely accurate. Why are you trying to cover this up?

For those of you just joining us, here's a poster who constantly insiunuates that special math acceleration happens in the most wealthy area. There is some truth to this, of course, as at least one ES in the north Potomac vicinity is understood to facilitate, routinely, a pathway to Algebra in 6th, a year ahead of the standard MCPS accceleration that allows for a two year advancement from Common Core over three grades. That extra accommodation is understood to be the result of group family advocacy with dedication to outside enrichment.

However, the poster's main purpose seems to be to gin up uncertainty, utilizing an assumption of group envy. They play coy with terms like "mostly", but never provide specifics, referring only to "Wealthy Potomac" and the fictional "WPES". Their messages are brief, claiming truth and casting doubt while failing to provide supports of their own. Despite the knowledge claimed, there never are concrete, actionable suggestions for how other communities or families might encourage such accommodation, themselves, if they found their children demonstrating ability and interest that would warrant such extra acceleration.

MCPS central professes availability of that accommodation on a case by case basis. However, many schools are loath to engage in the logistics that would be required to fulfill that. Whole cohorts at a few schools, and not only in areas of highest wealth, being provided the accommodation underline the MCPS failure to address needs equitably. Public acknowledgement is, therefore, avoided.

The poster, with their short, uninformative and dismissive posts, appears to hope to undermine any such notion of MCPS not living up to its obligations and professed ideals. They agree, in a way and on the surface, but in such an unsympathetic manner as to sway opinion in the opposite direction.

What they're saying completely squares with my experience. At our school, I asked if there were enrichment opportunities for ES children with MAP-M scores over 250. They said no. My child later attended TPMS, where all the students who were in algebra or higher in 6th grade came from the same wealthy Potomac schools the poster is talking about.

The more likely explanation is people who benefit from this are trying to keep it under wraps because they know it's wrong.

Same with my experience. My kid had a 260-range score in 3rd grade and I was told there was nothing per county policy. Came to find later out that parents at other schools had successfully lobbied for more. Near as I can tell in the long run, this accomplished nothing other than bragging rights as the kids all ended up in the same math class later and all took Calc BC in 10th grade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone willing to chime in on what to take after BC Cal/ AP Stats as a junior at PHS.

I assume the normal path would be MV Cal for a kid that wants to do engineering.

That’s the normal path at other HS. Take MVC as a senior, then take that class again at college (make sure you are solid and hopefully easy A)

Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:WPES parents sign a non-disclosure about the special programs their kids get.

That’s funny. But seriously, what good does it do a kid long-term to take Alg in 5th grade? Do W schools have past MVC? My kid took in 7th and started UMD having finished all the math classes required for a CS degree. How much more advanced would you want to be?

In my experience as a magnet parent. One of the WPES offers AIM in 5th to many advanced students. I suspect there's a large cohort of advanced students there relative to other schools, so it's not all that shocking that there's some pressure to do this. Similarly, another WPES MS offers Algebra to any 6th-grade student who can score over 250 on the 5th-grade map. Some rare kids advance even more, but it's also a function of parental pressure. Even at TPMS they won't advance students without considerable parental pressure.

Why the reticence in naming the ES & MS, instead referring to them as WPES (which isn't a school)?

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you. He did not get in to Roberto Clemente magnet program. Does the middle school magnet program offer Algebra in grade 6, Geometry in grade 7 and Algebra 2 in grade 8?
I heard Poolesville SMACs do not offer Algebra 2? This is what is very confusing for us.

No, 6th grade Algebra is mostly offered at Wealthy Potomac Schools. I think one even offers AIM in 5th and another allows any student with >250 to take Algebra in 6th.

Good grief! Not you, again!

There appear to be a few schools where parents band together, and, having independently accelerated their children with outside enrichment during early/middle elementary, finagle an elementary principal into offering that in 5th grade, with the consequence that Algebra then is afforded to that cohort (or several of them) in 6th.

Whether or not this is advisable for any but those who are not only thus accelerated by famiy, but also more highly naturally attuned to math than would be served by the standard MCPS acceleration options, is a matter of debate. Of less debate:

-- Such accomodation, per the many prior threads that have touched on this subject, appears not to be exclusive to "Wealthy Potomac Schools," though, among the very few schools doing this, it seems to be provided at at least one school that could be described as drawing from north Potomac.

-- Such accomodation, if available at one school, should be similarly available at all schools.

-- MCPS remains reticent about this, and whether intentionally or not, fosters inequity by doing so.

-- The PP routinely shows up in related threads, often one resurrected from long enough ago as to be deprecated (certainly with more recent and relevant discussion being available in other threads), to bandy the "Wealthy Potomac Schools"/"WPES" trope.

Yes, they offer acceleration, mostly only at the Wealthy Potomac schools.

Misdirecting tripe again from you, probably aimed at engendering thoughts that, because of the way you continually send up the "Wealthy Potomac" trope, offering of such acceleration within MCPS isn't even a reality, when it is, but just not supported or communicated by MCPS central in a way that would allow more standardized access across the school district.

07:57 poster -- better to ask your question in a new thread than have to read this (the go-see-the-counselor post notwithstanding).

It's completely accurate. Why are you trying to cover this up?

For those of you just joining us, here's a poster who constantly insiunuates that special math acceleration happens in the most wealthy area. There is some truth to this, of course, as at least one ES in the north Potomac vicinity is understood to facilitate, routinely, a pathway to Algebra in 6th, a year ahead of the standard MCPS accceleration that allows for a two year advancement from Common Core over three grades. That extra accommodation is understood to be the result of group family advocacy with dedication to outside enrichment.

However, the poster's main purpose seems to be to gin up uncertainty, utilizing an assumption of group envy. They play coy with terms like "mostly", but never provide specifics, referring only to "Wealthy Potomac" and the fictional "WPES". Their messages are brief, claiming truth and casting doubt while failing to provide supports of their own. Despite the knowledge claimed, there never are concrete, actionable suggestions for how other communities or families might encourage such accommodation, themselves, if they found their children demonstrating ability and interest that would warrant such extra acceleration.

MCPS central professes availability of that accommodation on a case by case basis. However, many schools are loath to engage in the logistics that would be required to fulfill that. Whole cohorts at a few schools, and not only in areas of highest wealth, being provided the accommodation underline the MCPS failure to address needs equitably. Public acknowledgement is, therefore, avoided.

The poster, with their short, uninformative and dismissive posts, appears to hope to undermine any such notion of MCPS not living up to its obligations and professed ideals. They agree, in a way and on the surface, but in such an unsympathetic manner as to sway opinion in the opposite direction.

What they're saying completely squares with my experience. At our school, I asked if there were enrichment opportunities for ES children with MAP-M scores over 250. They said no. My child later attended TPMS, where all the students who were in algebra or higher in 6th grade came from the same wealthy Potomac schools the poster is talking about.

The more likely explanation is people who benefit from this are trying to keep it under wraps because they know it's wrong.

Same with my experience. My kid had a 260-range score in 3rd grade and I was told there was nothing per county policy. Came to find later out that parents at other schools had successfully lobbied for more. Near as I can tell in the long run, this accomplished nothing other than bragging rights as the kids all ended up in the same math class later and all took Calc BC in 10th grade.

What path was taken by kids who didn't do Algebra in 6th but did Cacl BC in 10th? Summer school? Algebra 2 and Geometry at the same time in 8th? Combo Algebra 2 & Precalc in 9th? Admission to SMACS with its unique program?

Other than the last, were the MS/HS administrations supportive or was it a fight?

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you. He did not get in to Roberto Clemente magnet program. Does the middle school magnet program offer Algebra in grade 6, Geometry in grade 7 and Algebra 2 in grade 8?
I heard Poolesville SMACs do not offer Algebra 2? This is what is very confusing for us.

No, 6th grade Algebra is mostly offered at Wealthy Potomac Schools. I think one even offers AIM in 5th and another allows any student with >250 to take Algebra in 6th.

Good grief! Not you, again!

There appear to be a few schools where parents band together, and, having independently accelerated their children with outside enrichment during early/middle elementary, finagle an elementary principal into offering that in 5th grade, with the consequence that Algebra then is afforded to that cohort (or several of them) in 6th.

Whether or not this is advisable for any but those who are not only thus accelerated by famiy, but also more highly naturally attuned to math than would be served by the standard MCPS acceleration options, is a matter of debate. Of less debate:

-- Such accomodation, per the many prior threads that have touched on this subject, appears not to be exclusive to "Wealthy Potomac Schools," though, among the very few schools doing this, it seems to be provided at at least one school that could be described as drawing from north Potomac.

-- Such accomodation, if available at one school, should be similarly available at all schools.

-- MCPS remains reticent about this, and whether intentionally or not, fosters inequity by doing so.

-- The PP routinely shows up in related threads, often one resurrected from long enough ago as to be deprecated (certainly with more recent and relevant discussion being available in other threads), to bandy the "Wealthy Potomac Schools"/"WPES" trope.

Yes, they offer acceleration, mostly only at the Wealthy Potomac schools.

Misdirecting tripe again from you, probably aimed at engendering thoughts that, because of the way you continually send up the "Wealthy Potomac" trope, offering of such acceleration within MCPS isn't even a reality, when it is, but just not supported or communicated by MCPS central in a way that would allow more standardized access across the school district.

07:57 poster -- better to ask your question in a new thread than have to read this (the go-see-the-counselor post notwithstanding).

It's completely accurate. Why are you trying to cover this up?

For those of you just joining us, here's a poster who constantly insiunuates that special math acceleration happens in the most wealthy area. There is some truth to this, of course, as at least one ES in the north Potomac vicinity is understood to facilitate, routinely, a pathway to Algebra in 6th, a year ahead of the standard MCPS accceleration that allows for a two year advancement from Common Core over three grades. That extra accommodation is understood to be the result of group family advocacy with dedication to outside enrichment.

However, the poster's main purpose seems to be to gin up uncertainty, utilizing an assumption of group envy. They play coy with terms like "mostly", but never provide specifics, referring only to "Wealthy Potomac" and the fictional "WPES". Their messages are brief, claiming truth and casting doubt while failing to provide supports of their own. Despite the knowledge claimed, there never are concrete, actionable suggestions for how other communities or families might encourage such accommodation, themselves, if they found their children demonstrating ability and interest that would warrant such extra acceleration.

MCPS central professes availability of that accommodation on a case by case basis. However, many schools are loath to engage in the logistics that would be required to fulfill that. Whole cohorts at a few schools, and not only in areas of highest wealth, being provided the accommodation underline the MCPS failure to address needs equitably. Public acknowledgement is, therefore, avoided.

The poster, with their short, uninformative and dismissive posts, appears to hope to undermine any such notion of MCPS not living up to its obligations and professed ideals. They agree, in a way and on the surface, but in such an unsympathetic manner as to sway opinion in the opposite direction.

What they're saying completely squares with my experience. At our school, I asked if there were enrichment opportunities for ES children with MAP-M scores over 250. They said no. My child later attended TPMS, where all the students who were in algebra or higher in 6th grade came from the same wealthy Potomac schools the poster is talking about.

The more likely explanation is people who benefit from this are trying to keep it under wraps because they know it's wrong.

Same with my experience. My kid had a 260-range score in 3rd grade and I was told there was nothing per county policy. Came to find later out that parents at other schools had successfully lobbied for more. Near as I can tell in the long run, this accomplished nothing other than bragging rights as the kids all ended up in the same math class later and all took Calc BC in 10th grade.

I could have written this myself.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you. He did not get in to Roberto Clemente magnet program. Does the middle school magnet program offer Algebra in grade 6, Geometry in grade 7 and Algebra 2 in grade 8?
I heard Poolesville SMACs do not offer Algebra 2? This is what is very confusing for us.

No, 6th grade Algebra is mostly offered at Wealthy Potomac Schools. I think one even offers AIM in 5th and another allows any student with >250 to take Algebra in 6th.

Good grief! Not you, again!

There appear to be a few schools where parents band together, and, having independently accelerated their children with outside enrichment during early/middle elementary, finagle an elementary principal into offering that in 5th grade, with the consequence that Algebra then is afforded to that cohort (or several of them) in 6th.

Whether or not this is advisable for any but those who are not only thus accelerated by famiy, but also more highly naturally attuned to math than would be served by the standard MCPS acceleration options, is a matter of debate. Of less debate:

-- Such accomodation, per the many prior threads that have touched on this subject, appears not to be exclusive to "Wealthy Potomac Schools," though, among the very few schools doing this, it seems to be provided at at least one school that could be described as drawing from north Potomac.

-- Such accomodation, if available at one school, should be similarly available at all schools.

-- MCPS remains reticent about this, and whether intentionally or not, fosters inequity by doing so.

-- The PP routinely shows up in related threads, often one resurrected from long enough ago as to be deprecated (certainly with more recent and relevant discussion being available in other threads), to bandy the "Wealthy Potomac Schools"/"WPES" trope.

Yes, they offer acceleration, mostly only at the Wealthy Potomac schools.

Misdirecting tripe again from you, probably aimed at engendering thoughts that, because of the way you continually send up the "Wealthy Potomac" trope, offering of such acceleration within MCPS isn't even a reality, when it is, but just not supported or communicated by MCPS central in a way that would allow more standardized access across the school district.

07:57 poster -- better to ask your question in a new thread than have to read this (the go-see-the-counselor post notwithstanding).

It's completely accurate. Why are you trying to cover this up?

For those of you just joining us, here's a poster who constantly insiunuates that special math acceleration happens in the most wealthy area. There is some truth to this, of course, as at least one ES in the north Potomac vicinity is understood to facilitate, routinely, a pathway to Algebra in 6th, a year ahead of the standard MCPS accceleration that allows for a two year advancement from Common Core over three grades. That extra accommodation is understood to be the result of group family advocacy with dedication to outside enrichment.

However, the poster's main purpose seems to be to gin up uncertainty, utilizing an assumption of group envy. They play coy with terms like "mostly", but never provide specifics, referring only to "Wealthy Potomac" and the fictional "WPES". Their messages are brief, claiming truth and casting doubt while failing to provide supports of their own. Despite the knowledge claimed, there never are concrete, actionable suggestions for how other communities or families might encourage such accommodation, themselves, if they found their children demonstrating ability and interest that would warrant such extra acceleration.

MCPS central professes availability of that accommodation on a case by case basis. However, many schools are loath to engage in the logistics that would be required to fulfill that. Whole cohorts at a few schools, and not only in areas of highest wealth, being provided the accommodation underline the MCPS failure to address needs equitably. Public acknowledgement is, therefore, avoided.

The poster, with their short, uninformative and dismissive posts, appears to hope to undermine any such notion of MCPS not living up to its obligations and professed ideals. They agree, in a way and on the surface, but in such an unsympathetic manner as to sway opinion in the opposite direction.

What they're saying completely squares with my experience. At our school, I asked if there were enrichment opportunities for ES children with MAP-M scores over 250. They said no. My child later attended TPMS, where all the students who were in algebra or higher in 6th grade came from the same wealthy Potomac schools the poster is talking about.

The more likely explanation is people who benefit from this are trying to keep it under wraps because they know it's wrong.

Same with my experience. My kid had a 260-range score in 3rd grade and I was told there was nothing per county policy. Came to find later out that parents at other schools had successfully lobbied for more. Near as I can tell in the long run, this accomplished nothing other than bragging rights as the kids all ended up in the same math class later and all took Calc BC in 10th grade.

What path was taken by kids who didn't do Algebra in 6th but did Cacl BC in 10th? Summer school? Algebra 2 and Geometry at the same time in 8th? Combo Algebra 2 & Precalc in 9th? Admission to SMACS with its unique program?

Other than the last, were the MS/HS administrations supportive or was it a fight?

Functions in ninth @smcs

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you. He did not get in to Roberto Clemente magnet program. Does the middle school magnet program offer Algebra in grade 6, Geometry in grade 7 and Algebra 2 in grade 8?
I heard Poolesville SMACs do not offer Algebra 2? This is what is very confusing for us.

No, 6th grade Algebra is mostly offered at Wealthy Potomac Schools. I think one even offers AIM in 5th and another allows any student with >250 to take Algebra in 6th.

Good grief! Not you, again!

There appear to be a few schools where parents band together, and, having independently accelerated their children with outside enrichment during early/middle elementary, finagle an elementary principal into offering that in 5th grade, with the consequence that Algebra then is afforded to that cohort (or several of them) in 6th.

Whether or not this is advisable for any but those who are not only thus accelerated by famiy, but also more highly naturally attuned to math than would be served by the standard MCPS acceleration options, is a matter of debate. Of less debate:

-- Such accomodation, per the many prior threads that have touched on this subject, appears not to be exclusive to "Wealthy Potomac Schools," though, among the very few schools doing this, it seems to be provided at at least one school that could be described as drawing from north Potomac.

-- Such accomodation, if available at one school, should be similarly available at all schools.

-- MCPS remains reticent about this, and whether intentionally or not, fosters inequity by doing so.

-- The PP routinely shows up in related threads, often one resurrected from long enough ago as to be deprecated (certainly with more recent and relevant discussion being available in other threads), to bandy the "Wealthy Potomac Schools"/"WPES" trope.

Yes, they offer acceleration, mostly only at the Wealthy Potomac schools.

Misdirecting tripe again from you, probably aimed at engendering thoughts that, because of the way you continually send up the "Wealthy Potomac" trope, offering of such acceleration within MCPS isn't even a reality, when it is, but just not supported or communicated by MCPS central in a way that would allow more standardized access across the school district.

07:57 poster -- better to ask your question in a new thread than have to read this (the go-see-the-counselor post notwithstanding).

It's completely accurate. Why are you trying to cover this up?

For those of you just joining us, here's a poster who constantly insiunuates that special math acceleration happens in the most wealthy area. There is some truth to this, of course, as at least one ES in the north Potomac vicinity is understood to facilitate, routinely, a pathway to Algebra in 6th, a year ahead of the standard MCPS accceleration that allows for a two year advancement from Common Core over three grades. That extra accommodation is understood to be the result of group family advocacy with dedication to outside enrichment.

However, the poster's main purpose seems to be to gin up uncertainty, utilizing an assumption of group envy. They play coy with terms like "mostly", but never provide specifics, referring only to "Wealthy Potomac" and the fictional "WPES". Their messages are brief, claiming truth and casting doubt while failing to provide supports of their own. Despite the knowledge claimed, there never are concrete, actionable suggestions for how other communities or families might encourage such accommodation, themselves, if they found their children demonstrating ability and interest that would warrant such extra acceleration.

MCPS central professes availability of that accommodation on a case by case basis. However, many schools are loath to engage in the logistics that would be required to fulfill that. Whole cohorts at a few schools, and not only in areas of highest wealth, being provided the accommodation underline the MCPS failure to address needs equitably. Public acknowledgement is, therefore, avoided.

The poster, with their short, uninformative and dismissive posts, appears to hope to undermine any such notion of MCPS not living up to its obligations and professed ideals. They agree, in a way and on the surface, but in such an unsympathetic manner as to sway opinion in the opposite direction.

What they're saying completely squares with my experience. At our school, I asked if there were enrichment opportunities for ES children with MAP-M scores over 250. They said no. My child later attended TPMS, where all the students who were in algebra or higher in 6th grade came from the same wealthy Potomac schools the poster is talking about.

The more likely explanation is people who benefit from this are trying to keep it under wraps because they know it's wrong.

Same with my experience. My kid had a 260-range score in 3rd grade and I was told there was nothing per county policy. Came to find later out that parents at other schools had successfully lobbied for more. Near as I can tell in the long run, this accomplished nothing other than bragging rights as the kids all ended up in the same math class later and all took Calc BC in 10th grade.

What path was taken by kids who didn't do Algebra in 6th but did Cacl BC in 10th? Summer school? Algebra 2 and Geometry at the same time in 8th? Combo Algebra 2 & Precalc in 9th? Admission to SMACS with its unique program?

Other than the last, were the MS/HS administrations supportive or was it a fight?

Functions in ninth @smcs

Got it. So, not generally available, and for any not admitted to SMCS but wanting that more highly advanced set of math options in HS, the extra acceleration afforded in 5th leading to Algebra in 6th would make a difference.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you. He did not get in to Roberto Clemente magnet program. Does the middle school magnet program offer Algebra in grade 6, Geometry in grade 7 and Algebra 2 in grade 8?
I heard Poolesville SMACs do not offer Algebra 2? This is what is very confusing for us.

No, 6th grade Algebra is mostly offered at Wealthy Potomac Schools. I think one even offers AIM in 5th and another allows any student with >250 to take Algebra in 6th.

Good grief! Not you, again!

There appear to be a few schools where parents band together, and, having independently accelerated their children with outside enrichment during early/middle elementary, finagle an elementary principal into offering that in 5th grade, with the consequence that Algebra then is afforded to that cohort (or several of them) in 6th.

Whether or not this is advisable for any but those who are not only thus accelerated by famiy, but also more highly naturally attuned to math than would be served by the standard MCPS acceleration options, is a matter of debate. Of less debate:

-- Such accomodation, per the many prior threads that have touched on this subject, appears not to be exclusive to "Wealthy Potomac Schools," though, among the very few schools doing this, it seems to be provided at at least one school that could be described as drawing from north Potomac.

-- Such accomodation, if available at one school, should be similarly available at all schools.

-- MCPS remains reticent about this, and whether intentionally or not, fosters inequity by doing so.

-- The PP routinely shows up in related threads, often one resurrected from long enough ago as to be deprecated (certainly with more recent and relevant discussion being available in other threads), to bandy the "Wealthy Potomac Schools"/"WPES" trope.

Yes, they offer acceleration, mostly only at the Wealthy Potomac schools.

Misdirecting tripe again from you, probably aimed at engendering thoughts that, because of the way you continually send up the "Wealthy Potomac" trope, offering of such acceleration within MCPS isn't even a reality, when it is, but just not supported or communicated by MCPS central in a way that would allow more standardized access across the school district.

07:57 poster -- better to ask your question in a new thread than have to read this (the go-see-the-counselor post notwithstanding).

It's completely accurate. Why are you trying to cover this up?

For those of you just joining us, here's a poster who constantly insiunuates that special math acceleration happens in the most wealthy area. There is some truth to this, of course, as at least one ES in the north Potomac vicinity is understood to facilitate, routinely, a pathway to Algebra in 6th, a year ahead of the standard MCPS accceleration that allows for a two year advancement from Common Core over three grades. That extra accommodation is understood to be the result of group family advocacy with dedication to outside enrichment.

However, the poster's main purpose seems to be to gin up uncertainty, utilizing an assumption of group envy. They play coy with terms like "mostly", but never provide specifics, referring only to "Wealthy Potomac" and the fictional "WPES". Their messages are brief, claiming truth and casting doubt while failing to provide supports of their own. Despite the knowledge claimed, there never are concrete, actionable suggestions for how other communities or families might encourage such accommodation, themselves, if they found their children demonstrating ability and interest that would warrant such extra acceleration.

MCPS central professes availability of that accommodation on a case by case basis. However, many schools are loath to engage in the logistics that would be required to fulfill that. Whole cohorts at a few schools, and not only in areas of highest wealth, being provided the accommodation underline the MCPS failure to address needs equitably. Public acknowledgement is, therefore, avoided.

The poster, with their short, uninformative and dismissive posts, appears to hope to undermine any such notion of MCPS not living up to its obligations and professed ideals. They agree, in a way and on the surface, but in such an unsympathetic manner as to sway opinion in the opposite direction.

What they're saying completely squares with my experience. At our school, I asked if there were enrichment opportunities for ES children with MAP-M scores over 250. They said no. My child later attended TPMS, where all the students who were in algebra or higher in 6th grade came from the same wealthy Potomac schools the poster is talking about.

The more likely explanation is people who benefit from this are trying to keep it under wraps because they know it's wrong.

Same with my experience. My kid had a 260-range score in 3rd grade and I was told there was nothing per county policy. Came to find later out that parents at other schools had successfully lobbied for more. Near as I can tell in the long run, this accomplished nothing other than bragging rights as the kids all ended up in the same math class later and all took Calc BC in 10th grade.

What path was taken by kids who didn't do Algebra in 6th but did Cacl BC in 10th? Summer school? Algebra 2 and Geometry at the same time in 8th? Combo Algebra 2 & Precalc in 9th? Admission to SMACS with its unique program?

Other than the last, were the MS/HS administrations supportive or was it a fight?

Functions in ninth @smcs

Got it. So, not generally available, and for any not admitted to SMCS but wanting that more highly advanced set of math options in HS, the extra acceleration afforded in 5th leading to Algebra in 6th would make a difference.

Yes, but that's only offered at a few wealthy schools.