Out of State - AAP Chances with WISC & other scores

[Anonymous]

We are relocating to Fairfax county this summer from out of state and after finding out about the AAP program we got our son (current 2nd grader) tested. His scores were as follows:

Cogat composite- 120 (89 percentile)
NNAT2 - 156 (99 percentile)
WISC - FSIQ -135 (99 percentile) <Got Wisc done to be on the safe side since Cogat was lower>
Woodcock Johnson III - Broad Math - 133 (99 percentile) & Broad Reading 124 (94 percentile)

Based on your experience, what are the chances he will get accepted into the program & how long will it take for the results to come back assuming we apply sometime in July ?

Please advise.

Thanks in advance
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[Anonymous]

Well, first I want to say that you needn't have spent your money. The school district tests all new students, regardless of what grade they're in.

That said, I can't say what your chances are (although the WISC looks ok). You'll have to parent refer in the fall through a specific process; that is, unless, the school has already tested and referred your student on their own.

Either way, you won't find out prior to coming here, enrolling in the local school, and going through the application process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, first I want to say that you needn't have spent your money. The school district tests all new students, regardless of what grade they're in.

That said, I can't say what your chances are (although the WISC looks ok). You'll have to parent refer in the fall through a specific process; that is, unless, the school has already tested and referred your student on their own.

Either way, you won't find out prior to coming here, enrolling in the local school, and going through the application process.

Thanks !

[Anonymous]

It is my understanding that coming from out of state, the application process is different and can be started as soon as a student is registered, not just on the fall. This would allow the decision to be made during the summer, so that a child does not have to switch classes or schools right after starting. It would be helpful for you to get a few letters from current teachers directly addressing whether they feel your child is in need of Advanced instruction. GL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that coming from out of state, the application process is different and can be started as soon as a student is registered, not just on the fall. This would allow the decision to be made during the summer, so that a child does not have to switch classes or schools right after starting. It would be helpful for you to get a few letters from current teachers directly addressing whether they feel your child is in need of Advanced instruction. GL

Thanks , this was my understanding too, this is the reason we went ahead and did the testing so my son could be placed in AAP in fall if found eligible without any wait time.
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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that coming from out of state, the application process is different and can be started as soon as a student is registered, not just on the fall. This would allow the decision to be made during the summer, so that a child does not have to switch classes or schools right after starting. It would be helpful for you to get a few letters from current teachers directly addressing whether they feel your child is in need of Advanced instruction. GL

Also my understanding. It can take about 10 days/2 weeks for review, but everything is based on first registering at the local (FCPS) school and then working with the Advanced Academic Resource Teacher (AART) at that school.

http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/identificationntc.shtml

[Anonymous]

No GBRS required. No prior teacher comment or evaluation. Huh, not really apples to apples.

[Anonymous]

From the URL noted above -

Step 3

Schedule an appointment with the Advanced Academic Resource Teacher (AART) at your local school or the Director of Student Services (DSS) at the middle school.

The AART or DSS will review the information and share the processes for referring and screening for school-based services (Levels II-III) or full-time placement (Level IV).

That doesn't sound to me as though a child will be placed into AAP outside of the regularly scheduled screening cycle.

I see that one of the items to include in Step 2 is a "record of previous advanced academic or gifted services (if applicable), so I can see how it might be possible if the child was receiving services in the prior school system.

Has anyone ever actually done this?

[Anonymous]

It is simple for out of state transfers.

Hand carry: last 2 years report cards, any score reports (must be official copies), any letter from previous district stated gifted enrollment/qualification, gbrs form from this year's teacher (found in the out of state packet on fcps site). If the school year is over and you can't get this form, don't stress. It is not a big deal. Don't worry about work samples, coach rec letters, etc. Not really necessary. Fill out the online packet. Have your current district send out official transcript BEFORE they go on summer break.

Step 1: move into house

Step 2: register at bese school and let them know you are applying for AAP. They will put you in the system and give you something w/the student number.

Step 3: hand carry that, and all documents above to the district AAP office and turn them in (you need an appointment.)

Step 4: Wait. It takes about 2 weeks to get the acceptance letter (I think the commitee meets every other week in the summer).

99% scores are fine. The process is nowhere near as drama filled as it is on this board. FYI, as a summer transfer, you will not be taken into account when they put together the bus schedule, so don't expect a stop nearby unless there are several other AAP kids in your neighborhood.

Your kid will start at the center in the fall like everyone else instead of transferring mid year.

Good luck!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is simple for out of state transfers.

Hand carry: last 2 years report cards, any score reports (must be official copies), any letter from previous district stated gifted enrollment/qualification, gbrs form from this year's teacher (found in the out of state packet on fcps site). If the school year is over and you can't get this form, don't stress. It is not a big deal. Don't worry about work samples, coach rec letters, etc. Not really necessary. Fill out the online packet. Have your current district send out official transcript BEFORE they go on summer break.

Step 1: move into house

Step 2: register at bese school and let them know you are applying for AAP. They will put you in the system and give you something w/the student number.

Step 3: hand carry that, and all documents above to the district AAP office and turn them in (you need an appointment.)

Step 4: Wait. It takes about 2 weeks to get the acceptance letter (I think the commitee meets every other week in the summer).

99% scores are fine. The process is nowhere near as drama filled as it is on this board. FYI, as a summer transfer, you will not be taken into account when they put together the bus schedule, so don't expect a stop nearby unless there are several other AAP kids in your neighborhood.

Your kid will start at the center in the fall like everyone else instead of transferring mid year.

Good luck!

Op here- thank you for this very useful information
Quick question, is the official transcript from present school necessary to register in the new school or for the aap application process ?
Please advise

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[Anonymous]

What kind of parent asks this question on an anonymous message board? Do you even know what school your child will be attending? If so, have you considered that the school has a staff fully qualified and competent to answer this kind of question?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What kind of parent asks this question on an anonymous message board? Do you even know what school your child will be attending? If so, have you considered that the school has a staff fully qualified and competent to answer this kind of question?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No GBRS required. No prior teacher comment or evaluation. Huh, not really apples to apples.

Probably for the same reason fcps supposedly does not take private school teacher recs at the same value as fcps teachers. The district has no way of knowing if the teacher knew how to evaluate the student properly, or even if it was an actual teacher filling out the form.

The parent hand carries & delivers the screening file; for all the district knows, the parent could have filled out the teacher form.


Makes perfect sense why that form would not be important for out of state transfers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is simple for out of state transfers.

Hand carry: last 2 years report cards, any score reports (must be official copies), any letter from previous district stated gifted enrollment/qualification, gbrs form from this year's teacher (found in the out of state packet on fcps site). If the school year is over and you can't get this form, don't stress. It is not a big deal. Don't worry about work samples, coach rec letters, etc. Not really necessary. Fill out the online packet. Have your current district send out official transcript BEFORE they go on summer break.

Step 1: move into house

Step 2: register at bese school and let them know you are applying for AAP. They will put you in the system and give you something w/the student number.

Step 3: hand carry that, and all documents above to the district AAP office and turn them in (you need an appointment.)

Step 4: Wait. It takes about 2 weeks to get the acceptance letter (I think the commitee meets every other week in the summer).

99% scores are fine. The process is nowhere near as drama filled as it is on this board. FYI, as a summer transfer, you will not be taken into account when they put together the bus schedule, so don't expect a stop nearby unless there are several other AAP kids in your neighborhood.

Your kid will start at the center in the fall like everyone else instead of transferring mid year.

Good luck!

This is a much easier road into the program than the standard application process. No GBRS to muck up a good standard score. Why can't my Fairfax County child apply this way and not have to deal with a teachers evaluation and just sand on his scores and grades? What if the child is rejected, is there an appeal with no info. similar to the standard process?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No GBRS required. No prior teacher comment or evaluation. Huh, not really apples to apples.

Probably for the same reason fcps supposedly does not take private school teacher recs at the same value as fcps teachers. The district has no way of knowing if the teacher knew how to evaluate the student properly, or even if it was an actual teacher filling out the form.

The parent hand carries & delivers the screening file; for all the district knows, the parent could have filled out the teacher form.


Makes perfect sense why that form would not be important for out of state transfers.

I would bet that fcps sees mostly 156 and 16 gbrs recs from kids transferring in from out of state. That is probably why those forms aren't as important.