ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SY means August 1-July 31 cut off. One calendar year. Please stop the incorrect argument that kids that are redshirted with be playing with little Johnny after the age change. It’s not happening.

But school year cut off isnt August 1. It's September 30. So SY should mean Oct 1 - Sept 30.

That is where this doesn't make sense.

My 9 year old August born child is in 4th grade. He plays on a 2015 team with mostly other 4th graders and a few late year 3rd graders. He would be either the very oldest on a new team with kids entirely in the grade below him, or he would need some sort of waiver to stay with his current team?

No waiver required to play up. You just have to make the team. Let's say he wants to make the 4th grade A team. If he can make it, great, no issues, he plays with his class on his desired team. If he can't make it, the club may offer a choice to play with the B team with 4th grade, or with the A team for 3rd grade. He would have to decide which to accept. Basically, he *could* play for many teams, but it will come down to which teams he can make, i.e., which teams the clubs offers him.

Correct, it feels like they wanted to go with the earliest school cut off, 7/31 or 8/1, to make sure everyone had the opportunity to play with their grade if they wanted to, but also take into account you can always play up but you cant always play down. The kids hurt the most, and there probably aren't many of them, are the kids that were accelerated and started K before they "needed" to. Like a June 1st birthday who was mature and parents wanted to get them started in school early

I think you mean the opposite. June 1 is firmly in the "go to school at age 5" camp. If a family did not send their kid on time, they would then be forced to play with the grade level above them if they play soccer. They would be trapped come 8th grade.

I thought she was referring to kids that started K early not late? A mature 4 year old vs a redshirt 6 year old?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SY means August 1-July 31 cut off. One calendar year. Please stop the incorrect argument that kids that are redshirted with be playing with little Johnny after the age change. It’s not happening.

But school year cut off isnt August 1. It's September 30. So SY should mean Oct 1 - Sept 30.

That is where this doesn't make sense.

My 9 year old August born child is in 4th grade. He plays on a 2015 team with mostly other 4th graders and a few late year 3rd graders. He would be either the very oldest on a new team with kids entirely in the grade below him, or he would need some sort of waiver to stay with his current team?

No waiver required to play up. You just have to make the team. Let's say he wants to make the 4th grade A team. If he can make it, great, no issues, he plays with his class on his desired team. If he can't make it, the club may offer a choice to play with the B team with 4th grade, or with the A team for 3rd grade. He would have to decide which to accept. Basically, he *could* play for many teams, but it will come down to which teams he can make, i.e., which teams the clubs offers him.

Correct, it feels like they wanted to go with the earliest school cut off, 7/31 or 8/1, to make sure everyone had the opportunity to play with their grade if they wanted to, but also take into account you can always play up but you cant always play down. The kids hurt the most, and there probably aren't many of them, are the kids that were accelerated and started K before they "needed" to. Like a June 1st birthday who was mature and parents wanted to get them started in school early

I think you mean the opposite. June 1 is firmly in the "go to school at age 5" camp. If a family did not send their kid on time, they would then be forced to play with the grade level above them if they play soccer. They would be trapped come 8th grade.

I thought she was referring to kids that started K early not late? A mature 4 year old vs a redshirt 6 year old?

Is that even a thing? I thought most states require kids to be at least 5 by a certain age to enter K. Sure there’s Mensa kids, but school districts don’t allow kids to enter K early because they are ‘mature.’

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SY means August 1-July 31 cut off. One calendar year. Please stop the incorrect argument that kids that are redshirted with be playing with little Johnny after the age change. It’s not happening.

But school year cut off isnt August 1. It's September 30. So SY should mean Oct 1 - Sept 30.

That is where this doesn't make sense.

My 9 year old August born child is in 4th grade. He plays on a 2015 team with mostly other 4th graders and a few late year 3rd graders. He would be either the very oldest on a new team with kids entirely in the grade below him, or he would need some sort of waiver to stay with his current team?

No waiver required to play up. You just have to make the team. Let's say he wants to make the 4th grade A team. If he can make it, great, no issues, he plays with his class on his desired team. If he can't make it, the club may offer a choice to play with the B team with 4th grade, or with the A team for 3rd grade. He would have to decide which to accept. Basically, he *could* play for many teams, but it will come down to which teams he can make, i.e., which teams the clubs offers him.

Correct, it feels like they wanted to go with the earliest school cut off, 7/31 or 8/1, to make sure everyone had the opportunity to play with their grade if they wanted to, but also take into account you can always play up but you cant always play down. The kids hurt the most, and there probably aren't many of them, are the kids that were accelerated and started K before they "needed" to. Like a June 1st birthday who was mature and parents wanted to get them started in school early

I think you mean the opposite. June 1 is firmly in the "go to school at age 5" camp. If a family did not send their kid on time, they would then be forced to play with the grade level above them if they play soccer. They would be trapped come 8th grade.

I thought she was referring to kids that started K early not late? A mature 4 year old vs a redshirt 6 year old?

Is that even a thing? I thought most states require kids to be at least 5 by a certain age to enter K. Sure there’s Mensa kids, but school districts don’t allow kids to enter K early because they are ‘mature.’

Correct. School districts don’t allow - but private schools do. So, how many kids started at 4 at St. Someone at now they will be the youngest? Or, they did the private K at 4, and then transferred into public at 1st…same issue.

[Anonymous]

There will be a small number of outliers yes, but the majority of kids will covered

[Anonymous]

If they do switch i wonder if it'll turn in to the situation you have with lacrosse and basketball with holdbacks

[Anonymous]

Here's what will happen...

BY->SY->GY

This is what college recruiters really want. If college recruiters want it so will ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they do switch i wonder if it'll turn in to the situation you have with lacrosse and basketball with holdbacks

No because hold backs will still need to play with their birth year- just a different cut off

Totally different from basketball where birth year has no application.

[Anonymous]

GA is facing an existential choice.

[Anonymous]

Is it a fair summarization to say that parents in favor of SY generally likely have kids with late calendar birthdays and those in favor of BY generally likely have early calendar birthdays? Are there really parents who think BY is philosophically better because it more purely aligns to international u17/u19/u21 standards (a reminder that your kid has a <.1% of going pro), or are they just irritated about the change to SY because their BY kid is an early calendar birthday and the change from BY to SY will no longer mean they're no longer the oldest and most developed on the team? My theory is that all the dialog on here is from Jan-Apr and Sept-Dec parents meanwhile the the May-Aug crowd doesnt really give an f.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it a fair summarization to say that parents in favor of SY generally likely have kids with late calendar birthdays and those in favor of BY generally likely have early calendar birthdays? Are there really parents who think BY is philosophically better because it more purely aligns to international u17/u19/u21 standards (a reminder that your kid has a <.1% of going pro), or are they just irritated about the change to SY because their BY kid is an early calendar birthday and the change from BY to SY will no longer mean they're no longer the oldest and most developed on the team? My theory is that all the dialog on here is from Jan-Apr and Sept-Dec parents meanwhile the the May-Aug crowd doesnt really give an f.

May-July moves from middle of line to back. And Jan-Apr moves from front to middle.

But the youth orgs, from there limited communication so far, didn't seem like they were interested in a parent vote. (Not saying they should be either.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it a fair summarization to say that parents in favor of SY generally likely have kids with late calendar birthdays and those in favor of BY generally likely have early calendar birthdays? Are there really parents who think BY is philosophically better because it more purely aligns to international u17/u19/u21 standards (a reminder that your kid has a <.1% of going pro), or are they just irritated about the change to SY because their BY kid is an early calendar birthday and the change from BY to SY will no longer mean they're no longer the oldest and most developed on the team? My theory is that all the dialog on here is from Jan-Apr and Sept-Dec parents meanwhile the the May-Aug crowd doesnt really give an f.

From other thread:


ADVOCATES AGAINST CHANGE
-Short term disruption
-Q1 or Q2 average player parent
-Alignment with something to do with international norms?

ADVOCATES FOR CHANGE
-More engagement at U-little level
-College coaches want it as it aligns much more with college recruitment
-Elmination of 95%+ trapped player issues
-Q3 Q4 average players

It would seem like it is pretty clear that if we are solving for what is best for the ALL of youth soccer, meaning make it better for the majority, the switch to School year makes the most sense. But I totally see the issues with clubs and the disruption as well as parents of kids that will be significantly impacted by potentially moving down a team.

There is no perfect solution. Sometimes you pick the least bad or fall back on pure Machiavellian precepts.

[Anonymous]

Wish USSSA would come out with a statement like the other leagues. If they do everyone could just accept it and plan accordingly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:GA is facing an existential choice.

I’m pretty sure they are going school year as well..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wish USSSA would come out with a statement like the other leagues. If they do everyone could just accept it and plan accordingly.

DPL is part of USSSA.. they are speaking for DPL and GA

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wish USSSA would come out with a statement like the other leagues. If they do everyone could just accept it and plan accordingly.

DPL is part of USSSA.. they are speaking for DPL and GA

Why would DPL speak for GA? GA is top organization, not DPL for girls under the USSSA umbrella