FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:Two strong observations:

Why would they send the Navy island in Franklin Farm to Oak Hill? Franklin Farm on that side of the parkway goes to Crossfield. Look at the map. There is something else going on here. These kids currently go to as does Crossfield.

Thru missed a real island--though it is tiny:
Look at the boundary map for Lee's Corner. Compare it with the Crossfield boundary map. There is a street --a cul-de-sac that is split. Some go to Crossfield and some to Lee's Corner. The students that go to Crossfield must drive through the Lee's Corner boundary in order to get to Crossfield. There are a couple of other cul-de-sacs off of the street.
If you want to see it, look at Ashvale Drive. Some of it may be be Franklin Glen instead of Franklin Farm and had the boundary line drawn before the parkway was built. That would be the Lee's Corner portion.

This could be easily missed if you are not familiar with the area.

This is why they should have had people familiar with elementary school boundaries on the committee.

I can try to speak to the bolded info, but with the caveat that I have no inside info.

Navy is an AAP center that kids from Crossfield can choose to attend. If you move Navy kids to Crossfield, you are moving them from an AAP center school to a non-center school. You end up with a weird situation where the kids eligible for AAP in third grade can choose to go (back) to Navy whereas the kids who don't qualify for AAP would not have that choice. Oak Hill is an AAP center, so all the kids in the island would be moved to Oak Hill regardless of AAP or Gen Ed, and there would not be any situation where some of them end up right back at the school they got moved from.

At least some, if not all, of Ashvale Drive is definitely Franklin Glen. Franklin Farm and Franklin Glen were built before Fairfax County Parkway was such a big road. That's why some of FF is east of the parkway and some is west, and same with FG. The developers did not envision such a large highway running through. I know it would never happen, but it seems like all the homes east of the parkway should just become part of the FF HOA and all the homes west of the parkway should be FG.

This is such a stupid AAP-Centric thing to say. 1/5 of those kids are AAP, mama. You can't move all those kids to an AAP center just because one out of every five of them may end up in AAP. So stupid.

There is a teeeeeny tiny portion of Franklin Glen that is east of Fairfax County Parkway. Really, Franklin Farm should just annex those houses like they've done for other neighborhoods, it's so awkward for the families who live there. We specifically did not buy one of those houses because we didn't want our entire neighborhood to be on the other side of a major road.

Kindly F off with your “AAP mama” BS. My children are not in AAP. It’s simply a fact that moving kids from Navy to Crossfield creates a situation where some would end up right back at Navy. Oak Hill eliminates that issue. I think the Navy to Crossfield thing would actually be unfair because then some kids would get to choose to go back to their old school whereas others wouldn’t get that choice. Getting rid of AAP centers seems like it would solve some problems all over, but I will be very surprised if they do it.

Try getting rid of the massive chip on your shoulder about your kids not being in AAP and realize we are probably in agreement here that not moving these kids at all would be the preferred action.

I think the real reason they are moving that island to Oak Hill is because Oak Hill has an AAP center. It’s a more equitable transfer - kids will still have AAP at their base.

Not either of last two PP's.

Do you really think that a group who does not want to grandfather kids currently in a high school cares about that?

No, I'm not sure what this is, but this casts a far wider net. The question has been on here for years as to why a small portion of Franklin Farm goes to Navy. I think it goes back to the early history of Crossfield which was likely overcrowded by that time. However, that no longer stands as an excuse.

Look at the map. There is no reason to send these kids to Oak Hill and not Crossfield --unless it is part of the overall plan which will come later. This neighborhood is within Franklin Farm--it is not an isolated island of Franklin Farm. They are part of the Franklin Farm community on that side of 286. It makes no sense. And, as a prior poster says (as a negative), it would allow the AAP kids to stay in the same center. Why is that a bad thing?

Yes, I'm confused about why that PP is insisting that the non-AAP kids need to be at an AAP center, too. They'll be in general ed classes either way. It seems to me that it would make the most sense for the kids who are in AAP (and let's be real, this is a very small number of kids - 10 at most in AAP) to be able to stay at Navy and everyone else to be able to go to the same school as their surrounding neighbors in Franklin Farm and the neighborhoods it is connected to via Ashburton Ave. This is why I'm thinking the reason they're moving these kids to Oak Hill is solely because Franklin is under capacity so they want those kids to stay zoned to Franklin.

Do you realize that kids tend to make more friends at their school than in their neighborhood? Kids who spend all day together at school are much more likely to form strong bonds. Living a few streets away from someone who doesn’t go to your school does not exactly create a friendship. Think about neighborhoods where a lot of people go to private school and the kids all go different places. It’s not some small deal to move kids who have been at Navy for years over to a different school just because some of their neighbors have been going there. The majority of these Navy kids’ friends are kids who live outside of Franklin Farm because it’s such a small number from Franklin Farm kids that go there anyway. If someone thinks it’s fine to uproot kids as late as fifth grade because they will have neighbors they don’t know all that well at their new school, they are seriously misguided.

If Navy stays zoned for Franklin, moving those Navy kids to Oak Hill is probably better than moving them to Crossfield. They will at least be back with old friends for middle school as opposed to ending up on a completely different path.

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Anonymous wrote:Two strong observations:

Why would they send the Navy island in Franklin Farm to Oak Hill? Franklin Farm on that side of the parkway goes to Crossfield. Look at the map. There is something else going on here. These kids currently go to as does Crossfield.

Thru missed a real island--though it is tiny:
Look at the boundary map for Lee's Corner. Compare it with the Crossfield boundary map. There is a street --a cul-de-sac that is split. Some go to Crossfield and some to Lee's Corner. The students that go to Crossfield must drive through the Lee's Corner boundary in order to get to Crossfield. There are a couple of other cul-de-sacs off of the street.
If you want to see it, look at Ashvale Drive. Some of it may be be Franklin Glen instead of Franklin Farm and had the boundary line drawn before the parkway was built. That would be the Lee's Corner portion.

This could be easily missed if you are not familiar with the area.

This is why they should have had people familiar with elementary school boundaries on the committee.

I can try to speak to the bolded info, but with the caveat that I have no inside info.

Navy is an AAP center that kids from Crossfield can choose to attend. If you move Navy kids to Crossfield, you are moving them from an AAP center school to a non-center school. You end up with a weird situation where the kids eligible for AAP in third grade can choose to go (back) to Navy whereas the kids who don't qualify for AAP would not have that choice. Oak Hill is an AAP center, so all the kids in the island would be moved to Oak Hill regardless of AAP or Gen Ed, and there would not be any situation where some of them end up right back at the school they got moved from.

At least some, if not all, of Ashvale Drive is definitely Franklin Glen. Franklin Farm and Franklin Glen were built before Fairfax County Parkway was such a big road. That's why some of FF is east of the parkway and some is west, and same with FG. The developers did not envision such a large highway running through. I know it would never happen, but it seems like all the homes east of the parkway should just become part of the FF HOA and all the homes west of the parkway should be FG.

This is such a stupid AAP-Centric thing to say. 1/5 of those kids are AAP, mama. You can't move all those kids to an AAP center just because one out of every five of them may end up in AAP. So stupid.

There is a teeeeeny tiny portion of Franklin Glen that is east of Fairfax County Parkway. Really, Franklin Farm should just annex those houses like they've done for other neighborhoods, it's so awkward for the families who live there. We specifically did not buy one of those houses because we didn't want our entire neighborhood to be on the other side of a major road.

Kindly F off with your “AAP mama” BS. My children are not in AAP. It’s simply a fact that moving kids from Navy to Crossfield creates a situation where some would end up right back at Navy. Oak Hill eliminates that issue. I think the Navy to Crossfield thing would actually be unfair because then some kids would get to choose to go back to their old school whereas others wouldn’t get that choice. Getting rid of AAP centers seems like it would solve some problems all over, but I will be very surprised if they do it.

Try getting rid of the massive chip on your shoulder about your kids not being in AAP and realize we are probably in agreement here that not moving these kids at all would be the preferred action.

I think the real reason they are moving that island to Oak Hill is because Oak Hill has an AAP center. It’s a more equitable transfer - kids will still have AAP at their base.

Not either of last two PP's.

Do you really think that a group who does not want to grandfather kids currently in a high school cares about that?

No, I'm not sure what this is, but this casts a far wider net. The question has been on here for years as to why a small portion of Franklin Farm goes to Navy. I think it goes back to the early history of Crossfield which was likely overcrowded by that time. However, that no longer stands as an excuse.

Look at the map. There is no reason to send these kids to Oak Hill and not Crossfield --unless it is part of the overall plan which will come later. This neighborhood is within Franklin Farm--it is not an isolated island of Franklin Farm. They are part of the Franklin Farm community on that side of 286. It makes no sense. And, as a prior poster says (as a negative), it would allow the AAP kids to stay in the same center. Why is that a bad thing?

Yes, I'm confused about why that PP is insisting that the non-AAP kids need to be at an AAP center, too. They'll be in general ed classes either way. It seems to me that it would make the most sense for the kids who are in AAP (and let's be real, this is a very small number of kids - 10 at most in AAP) to be able to stay at Navy and everyone else to be able to go to the same school as their surrounding neighbors in Franklin Farm and the neighborhoods it is connected to via Ashburton Ave. This is why I'm thinking the reason they're moving these kids to Oak Hill is solely because Franklin is under capacity so they want those kids to stay zoned to Franklin.

Do you realize that kids tend to make more friends at their school than in their neighborhood? Kids who spend all day together at school are much more likely to form strong bonds. Living a few streets away from someone who doesn’t go to your school does not exactly create a friendship. Think about neighborhoods where a lot of people go to private school and the kids all go different places. It’s not some small deal to move kids who have been at Navy for years over to a different school just because some of their neighbors have been going there. The majority of these Navy kids’ friends are kids who live outside of Franklin Farm because it’s such a small number from Franklin Farm kids that go there anyway. If someone thinks it’s fine to uproot kids as late as fifth grade because they will have neighbors they don’t know all that well at their new school, they are seriously misguided.

If Navy stays zoned for Franklin, moving those Navy kids to Oak Hill is probably better than moving them to Crossfield. They will at least be back with old friends for middle school as opposed to ending up on a completely different path.

If they go to Crossfield, they will make friends there and be with their neighbors. Their new Oak Hill friends will go to a different high school from them.

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Anonymous wrote:Two strong observations:

Why would they send the Navy island in Franklin Farm to Oak Hill? Franklin Farm on that side of the parkway goes to Crossfield. Look at the map. There is something else going on here. These kids currently go to as does Crossfield.

Thru missed a real island--though it is tiny:
Look at the boundary map for Lee's Corner. Compare it with the Crossfield boundary map. There is a street --a cul-de-sac that is split. Some go to Crossfield and some to Lee's Corner. The students that go to Crossfield must drive through the Lee's Corner boundary in order to get to Crossfield. There are a couple of other cul-de-sacs off of the street.
If you want to see it, look at Ashvale Drive. Some of it may be be Franklin Glen instead of Franklin Farm and had the boundary line drawn before the parkway was built. That would be the Lee's Corner portion.

This could be easily missed if you are not familiar with the area.

This is why they should have had people familiar with elementary school boundaries on the committee.

I can try to speak to the bolded info, but with the caveat that I have no inside info.

Navy is an AAP center that kids from Crossfield can choose to attend. If you move Navy kids to Crossfield, you are moving them from an AAP center school to a non-center school. You end up with a weird situation where the kids eligible for AAP in third grade can choose to go (back) to Navy whereas the kids who don't qualify for AAP would not have that choice. Oak Hill is an AAP center, so all the kids in the island would be moved to Oak Hill regardless of AAP or Gen Ed, and there would not be any situation where some of them end up right back at the school they got moved from.

At least some, if not all, of Ashvale Drive is definitely Franklin Glen. Franklin Farm and Franklin Glen were built before Fairfax County Parkway was such a big road. That's why some of FF is east of the parkway and some is west, and same with FG. The developers did not envision such a large highway running through. I know it would never happen, but it seems like all the homes east of the parkway should just become part of the FF HOA and all the homes west of the parkway should be FG.

This is such a stupid AAP-Centric thing to say. 1/5 of those kids are AAP, mama. You can't move all those kids to an AAP center just because one out of every five of them may end up in AAP. So stupid.

There is a teeeeeny tiny portion of Franklin Glen that is east of Fairfax County Parkway. Really, Franklin Farm should just annex those houses like they've done for other neighborhoods, it's so awkward for the families who live there. We specifically did not buy one of those houses because we didn't want our entire neighborhood to be on the other side of a major road.

Kindly F off with your “AAP mama” BS. My children are not in AAP. It’s simply a fact that moving kids from Navy to Crossfield creates a situation where some would end up right back at Navy. Oak Hill eliminates that issue. I think the Navy to Crossfield thing would actually be unfair because then some kids would get to choose to go back to their old school whereas others wouldn’t get that choice. Getting rid of AAP centers seems like it would solve some problems all over, but I will be very surprised if they do it.

Try getting rid of the massive chip on your shoulder about your kids not being in AAP and realize we are probably in agreement here that not moving these kids at all would be the preferred action.

I think the real reason they are moving that island to Oak Hill is because Oak Hill has an AAP center. It’s a more equitable transfer - kids will still have AAP at their base.

Not either of last two PP's.

Do you really think that a group who does not want to grandfather kids currently in a high school cares about that?

No, I'm not sure what this is, but this casts a far wider net. The question has been on here for years as to why a small portion of Franklin Farm goes to Navy. I think it goes back to the early history of Crossfield which was likely overcrowded by that time. However, that no longer stands as an excuse.

Look at the map. There is no reason to send these kids to Oak Hill and not Crossfield --unless it is part of the overall plan which will come later. This neighborhood is within Franklin Farm--it is not an isolated island of Franklin Farm. They are part of the Franklin Farm community on that side of 286. It makes no sense. And, as a prior poster says (as a negative), it would allow the AAP kids to stay in the same center. Why is that a bad thing?

Yes, I'm confused about why that PP is insisting that the non-AAP kids need to be at an AAP center, too. They'll be in general ed classes either way. It seems to me that it would make the most sense for the kids who are in AAP (and let's be real, this is a very small number of kids - 10 at most in AAP) to be able to stay at Navy and everyone else to be able to go to the same school as their surrounding neighbors in Franklin Farm and the neighborhoods it is connected to via Ashburton Ave. This is why I'm thinking the reason they're moving these kids to Oak Hill is solely because Franklin is under capacity so they want those kids to stay zoned to Franklin.

Do you realize that kids tend to make more friends at their school than in their neighborhood? Kids who spend all day together at school are much more likely to form strong bonds. Living a few streets away from someone who doesn’t go to your school does not exactly create a friendship. Think about neighborhoods where a lot of people go to private school and the kids all go different places. It’s not some small deal to move kids who have been at Navy for years over to a different school just because some of their neighbors have been going there. The majority of these Navy kids’ friends are kids who live outside of Franklin Farm because it’s such a small number from Franklin Farm kids that go there anyway. If someone thinks it’s fine to uproot kids as late as fifth grade because they will have neighbors they don’t know all that well at their new school, they are seriously misguided.

If Navy stays zoned for Franklin, moving those Navy kids to Oak Hill is probably better than moving them to Crossfield. They will at least be back with old friends for middle school as opposed to ending up on a completely different path.

If they go to Crossfield, they will make friends there and be with their neighbors. Their new Oak Hill friends will go to a different high school from them.

I can imagine that island would end up being Oak Hill/Franklin/Oakton. It’s more likely to end up at Chantilly since Oak Hill is part of the Chantilly pyramid.

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Anonymous wrote:Two strong observations:

Why would they send the Navy island in Franklin Farm to Oak Hill? Franklin Farm on that side of the parkway goes to Crossfield. Look at the map. There is something else going on here. These kids currently go to as does Crossfield.

Thru missed a real island--though it is tiny:
Look at the boundary map for Lee's Corner. Compare it with the Crossfield boundary map. There is a street --a cul-de-sac that is split. Some go to Crossfield and some to Lee's Corner. The students that go to Crossfield must drive through the Lee's Corner boundary in order to get to Crossfield. There are a couple of other cul-de-sacs off of the street.
If you want to see it, look at Ashvale Drive. Some of it may be be Franklin Glen instead of Franklin Farm and had the boundary line drawn before the parkway was built. That would be the Lee's Corner portion.

This could be easily missed if you are not familiar with the area.

This is why they should have had people familiar with elementary school boundaries on the committee.

I can try to speak to the bolded info, but with the caveat that I have no inside info.

Navy is an AAP center that kids from Crossfield can choose to attend. If you move Navy kids to Crossfield, you are moving them from an AAP center school to a non-center school. You end up with a weird situation where the kids eligible for AAP in third grade can choose to go (back) to Navy whereas the kids who don't qualify for AAP would not have that choice. Oak Hill is an AAP center, so all the kids in the island would be moved to Oak Hill regardless of AAP or Gen Ed, and there would not be any situation where some of them end up right back at the school they got moved from.

At least some, if not all, of Ashvale Drive is definitely Franklin Glen. Franklin Farm and Franklin Glen were built before Fairfax County Parkway was such a big road. That's why some of FF is east of the parkway and some is west, and same with FG. The developers did not envision such a large highway running through. I know it would never happen, but it seems like all the homes east of the parkway should just become part of the FF HOA and all the homes west of the parkway should be FG.

This is such a stupid AAP-Centric thing to say. 1/5 of those kids are AAP, mama. You can't move all those kids to an AAP center just because one out of every five of them may end up in AAP. So stupid.

There is a teeeeeny tiny portion of Franklin Glen that is east of Fairfax County Parkway. Really, Franklin Farm should just annex those houses like they've done for other neighborhoods, it's so awkward for the families who live there. We specifically did not buy one of those houses because we didn't want our entire neighborhood to be on the other side of a major road.

Kindly F off with your “AAP mama” BS. My children are not in AAP. It’s simply a fact that moving kids from Navy to Crossfield creates a situation where some would end up right back at Navy. Oak Hill eliminates that issue. I think the Navy to Crossfield thing would actually be unfair because then some kids would get to choose to go back to their old school whereas others wouldn’t get that choice. Getting rid of AAP centers seems like it would solve some problems all over, but I will be very surprised if they do it.

Try getting rid of the massive chip on your shoulder about your kids not being in AAP and realize we are probably in agreement here that not moving these kids at all would be the preferred action.

I think the real reason they are moving that island to Oak Hill is because Oak Hill has an AAP center. It’s a more equitable transfer - kids will still have AAP at their base.

Not either of last two PP's.

Do you really think that a group who does not want to grandfather kids currently in a high school cares about that?

No, I'm not sure what this is, but this casts a far wider net. The question has been on here for years as to why a small portion of Franklin Farm goes to Navy. I think it goes back to the early history of Crossfield which was likely overcrowded by that time. However, that no longer stands as an excuse.

Look at the map. There is no reason to send these kids to Oak Hill and not Crossfield --unless it is part of the overall plan which will come later. This neighborhood is within Franklin Farm--it is not an isolated island of Franklin Farm. They are part of the Franklin Farm community on that side of 286. It makes no sense. And, as a prior poster says (as a negative), it would allow the AAP kids to stay in the same center. Why is that a bad thing?

Yes, I'm confused about why that PP is insisting that the non-AAP kids need to be at an AAP center, too. They'll be in general ed classes either way. It seems to me that it would make the most sense for the kids who are in AAP (and let's be real, this is a very small number of kids - 10 at most in AAP) to be able to stay at Navy and everyone else to be able to go to the same school as their surrounding neighbors in Franklin Farm and the neighborhoods it is connected to via Ashburton Ave. This is why I'm thinking the reason they're moving these kids to Oak Hill is solely because Franklin is under capacity so they want those kids to stay zoned to Franklin.

Do you realize that kids tend to make more friends at their school than in their neighborhood? Kids who spend all day together at school are much more likely to form strong bonds. Living a few streets away from someone who doesn’t go to your school does not exactly create a friendship. Think about neighborhoods where a lot of people go to private school and the kids all go different places. It’s not some small deal to move kids who have been at Navy for years over to a different school just because some of their neighbors have been going there. The majority of these Navy kids’ friends are kids who live outside of Franklin Farm because it’s such a small number from Franklin Farm kids that go there anyway. If someone thinks it’s fine to uproot kids as late as fifth grade because they will have neighbors they don’t know all that well at their new school, they are seriously misguided.

If Navy stays zoned for Franklin, moving those Navy kids to Oak Hill is probably better than moving them to Crossfield. They will at least be back with old friends for middle school as opposed to ending up on a completely different path.

If they go to Crossfield, they will make friends there and be with their neighbors. Their new Oak Hill friends will go to a different high school from them.

I can imagine that island would end up being Oak Hill/Franklin/Oakton. It’s more likely to end up at Chantilly since Oak Hill is part of the Chantilly pyramid.

*can’t

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly this attack on AAP programs is just a race to the bottom advocated by people who don’t qualify for the services. Speaking from experience, Carson and Franklin AAP programs are not equivalents.

You're right that they are not equivalent programs.

I sent my own kids through both programs, and my brother did the same for his kids. We both found Franklin's program to be far superior to Carson's program.

DP. I am glad you had a good experience at Franklin. Both the center program and local level four are available for students who qualify. Is your good experience with the option you chose a valid reason to seek the removal of the other option that may be better fit for others? Would you even be making this argument outside of the context of concern about a boundary result?

I don't have a kid in AAP, but I have noticed with neighbors that they get really weird about the Carson vs. Franklin thing for AAP. They seem to be convinced that Franklin isn't good enough for their kids and that their kids "need" Carson. I think it is inherently inequitable that kids who qualify for AAP get to choose their school when other kids do not, if the base school offers a program that is deemed by the district to be equivalent.

100% this!

YES - when we were house hunting 10 years ago, it was so weird to see the schools listed in the description as "Navy ES, Franklin OR Carson MS, Oakton HS" like it was a choice. It's not a choice, your kid has to get into AAP first, but from what I've read here, almost everyone at Navy gets into AAP. There is definitely something fishy going on at that school. No other centers have more AAP classes than general education with only one school feeding in 5 students at most each year.

Where are you getting this false information? It’s not that easy to get into AAP at Navy. In fact it seems harder than it is for friend kids to get into the local program at non center schools. My child’s grade has 4 Gen Ed and 2 AAP classes. I don’t know of any grade that has more AAP than Gen Ed, though I don’t have a kid in every grade 3-6.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that they just “bridge” the Timberlane attendance island shows how dumb this whole thing is.

Let’s not pretend that moving an adjacent street arbitrarily somehow improves the community in any way whatsoever.

What they put out there was half-baked, as they identified moving a relatively small part of Shrevewood to Longfellow/McLean. So they'd "bridge" the Timber Lane island, but in the process turn Shrevewood into a lopsided split feeder to Kilmer/Marshall and Longfellow/McLean.

To your point, would anyone currently in the Timber Lane island assigned to Longfellow/McLean feel more "connected" to the community if the Falls Hill area also on the same side of Route 7 is dragged along for the ride? And, even if they might, wouldn't it come at the expense of Shrevewood families whose kids might end up sent to a different middle and high school than the vast majority of the Shrevewood kids?

Of course, the suggestion is that this process is iterative, and that they may look at the problems they've created on 4/11 in the later sessions in April/May. But, boy, isn't this a lot of potentially moving kids around for relatively little benefit?

To be fair, the majority of th Shrevewood kids live in that one neighborhood. It's already very "elite" so moving it wouldn't make much of a difference in parental snobbery.

The majority of the Shrevewood kids don’t live in that neighborhood. If they did, moving it would have a bigger impact on the Longfellow/McLean numbers than indicated.

If they want to move and don’t mind being in the minority at a new split feeder at Shrevewood, fine, but it’s weird to fix one purported “problem” (an attendance island) by creating another one (a new split feeder).

All of these newly created split feeders will be redefined in the next iteration on 4/25.

As long as the regional BRAC members didn’t say “this is completely wrong” to an attendance island, they’ll move forward.

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I don’t understand what these changes are even… like is it 1) this is how we could fix the attendance islands 2) this (future slide show) will show how we can fix split feeders and 3) this (future slide show) will show how we can fix crowding? And then they’ll do all of it? Some combination? Seems cruel to make all the changes, because for some kids that would mean changing schools twice. Like sure if you could start from the ground up and redraw everything from the very beginning, maybe all of these changes would make sense - but they’re making the perfect the enemy of the good here.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand what these changes are even… like is it 1) this is how we could fix the attendance islands 2) this (future slide show) will show how we can fix split feeders and 3) this (future slide show) will show how we can fix crowding? And then they’ll do all of it? Some combination? Seems cruel to make all the changes, because for some kids that would mean changing schools twice. Like sure if you could start from the ground up and redraw everything from the very beginning, maybe all of these changes would make sense - but they’re making the perfect the enemy of the good here.

They’re making $hit the enemy of the incompetent with these unnecessary boundary changes.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that they just “bridge” the Timberlane attendance island shows how dumb this whole thing is.

Let’s not pretend that moving an adjacent street arbitrarily somehow improves the community in any way whatsoever.

What they put out there was half-baked, as they identified moving a relatively small part of Shrevewood to Longfellow/McLean. So they'd "bridge" the Timber Lane island, but in the process turn Shrevewood into a lopsided split feeder to Kilmer/Marshall and Longfellow/McLean.

To your point, would anyone currently in the Timber Lane island assigned to Longfellow/McLean feel more "connected" to the community if the Falls Hill area also on the same side of Route 7 is dragged along for the ride? And, even if they might, wouldn't it come at the expense of Shrevewood families whose kids might end up sent to a different middle and high school than the vast majority of the Shrevewood kids?

Of course, the suggestion is that this process is iterative, and that they may look at the problems they've created on 4/11 in the later sessions in April/May. But, boy, isn't this a lot of potentially moving kids around for relatively little benefit?

To be fair, the majority of th Shrevewood kids live in that one neighborhood. It's already very "elite" so moving it wouldn't make much of a difference in parental snobbery.

The majority of the Shrevewood kids don’t live in that neighborhood. If they did, moving it would have a bigger impact on the Longfellow/McLean numbers than indicated.

If they want to move and don’t mind being in the minority at a new split feeder at Shrevewood, fine, but it’s weird to fix one purported “problem” (an attendance island) by creating another one (a new split feeder).

All of these newly created split feeders will be redefined in the next iteration on 4/25.

As long as the regional BRAC members didn’t say “this is completely wrong” to an attendance island, they’ll move forward.

But in some cases they created the new split feeders to balance the enrollments after they purported to address the attendance islands.

In any event, they can "move forward" with whatever they want, but the fact that BRAC members didn't object on the same day that they first saw the proposed changes to the islands isn't going to mean squat if community members object in large numbers.

We also have no assurance that BRAC members actually are honoring their commitments to attend all the meetings.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand what these changes are even… like is it 1) this is how we could fix the attendance islands 2) this (future slide show) will show how we can fix split feeders and 3) this (future slide show) will show how we can fix crowding? And then they’ll do all of it? Some combination? Seems cruel to make all the changes, because for some kids that would mean changing schools twice. Like sure if you could start from the ground up and redraw everything from the very beginning, maybe all of these changes would make sense - but they’re making the perfect the enemy of the good here.

It already seems pretty clear that what they are coming up with is imperfect, just like the current boundaries.

That being the case, it's not clear why they feel hellbent on replacing one set of imperfect boundaries with another set of equally imperfect, just in different ways, boundaries.

An attendance island or split feeder never killed anyone.

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Waiting on word about changes for Waples.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand what these changes are even… like is it 1) this is how we could fix the attendance islands 2) this (future slide show) will show how we can fix split feeders and 3) this (future slide show) will show how we can fix crowding? And then they’ll do all of it? Some combination? Seems cruel to make all the changes, because for some kids that would mean changing schools twice. Like sure if you could start from the ground up and redraw everything from the very beginning, maybe all of these changes would make sense - but they’re making the perfect the enemy of the good here.

+1. They are really creating confusion with the clumsy way this is unfolding and the lack of clarity as to what exactly is going to happen next.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that they just “bridge” the Timberlane attendance island shows how dumb this whole thing is.

Let’s not pretend that moving an adjacent street arbitrarily somehow improves the community in any way whatsoever.

What they put out there was half-baked, as they identified moving a relatively small part of Shrevewood to Longfellow/McLean. So they'd "bridge" the Timber Lane island, but in the process turn Shrevewood into a lopsided split feeder to Kilmer/Marshall and Longfellow/McLean.

To your point, would anyone currently in the Timber Lane island assigned to Longfellow/McLean feel more "connected" to the community if the Falls Hill area also on the same side of Route 7 is dragged along for the ride? And, even if they might, wouldn't it come at the expense of Shrevewood families whose kids might end up sent to a different middle and high school than the vast majority of the Shrevewood kids?

Of course, the suggestion is that this process is iterative, and that they may look at the problems they've created on 4/11 in the later sessions in April/May. But, boy, isn't this a lot of potentially moving kids around for relatively little benefit?

To be fair, the majority of th Shrevewood kids live in that one neighborhood. It's already very "elite" so moving it wouldn't make much of a difference in parental snobbery.

The majority of the Shrevewood kids don’t live in that neighborhood. If they did, moving it would have a bigger impact on the Longfellow/McLean numbers than indicated.

If they want to move and don’t mind being in the minority at a new split feeder at Shrevewood, fine, but it’s weird to fix one purported “problem” (an attendance island) by creating another one (a new split feeder).

The majority of Shrevewood kids are in the dense parts of the district such as the apartments and townhouses by Jefferson Park and over closer to Dunn Loring. The proposed map would increase Shrevewood's already elevated FARMS rate, perhaps significantly, by carving out the Falls Hill area and replacing it with the multifamily housing area off of Hollywood. Of course, if this is just a prelude to getting rid of the area W of 495 in a Dunn Loring/Stenwood shift, it might make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I think connecting the timber lane island with a bit from falls hill so it’s “connected” on map is fine if it’s needed but don’t think we need to extend to 50. My kid went to timber lane. Longfellow, and now is at McLean. We are equal distant to McLean, Marshall, and Falls church but the kids by 50 are much closer to falls church.

They are doing anything to bump capacity up at Cooper and Langley to cut FHES to Herndon.

Sending kids that border Loudoun Co. to Langley is insane.

As insane as sending kids near 50 to McLean? because I looked and it adds the exact same amount of time to their commute.

Like it or not, the difference to HMS is within a couple minutes commute of Cooper and less than ten to HHS vs Langley.

Your equity obsession is showing.

They aren't proposing (yet) to send kids near Route 50 to McLean, just to Longfellow. They would leave these kids at Falls Church. Of course, that's even more bizarre, since about 95% of Longfellow goes to McLean. I guess they left them at Falls Church because they didn't want to add kids to overcrowded McLean, and maybe they even realized Falls Church is getting expanded, but all that should have also suggested leaving these kids at Jackson and maintaining the fairly even split feeder at Timber Lane.

Same analysis holds for Longfellow. The person who thinks it’s insane to send great falls to Langley surely feels the same about busing these poor kids to Longfellow, right?

I don't think that the proposed Timber Lane/Longfellow adjustment to 50 makes any sense. But if you are trying to convince me that Forestville should go anywhere other than Herndon, you'll fail. If I pick a nice central location on Seneca, it is 4 miles and less than 10 min from Herndon. It is 11 miles and 22 minutes (non-rush!) to Langley. There's simply no argument except people want to go to the rich school.

But I'm not just going to call out Forestville. Why is Westbriar the way it is, and why on earth would the western kids go to Marshall? Langley, Marshall, Madison, and McLean need to be more compact and be prepped to divide up any growth in Tysons.

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Anonymous wrote:I think connecting the timber lane island with a bit from falls hill so it’s “connected” on map is fine if it’s needed but don’t think we need to extend to 50. My kid went to timber lane. Longfellow, and now is at McLean. We are equal distant to McLean, Marshall, and Falls church but the kids by 50 are much closer to falls church.

They are doing anything to bump capacity up at Cooper and Langley to cut FHES to Herndon.

Sending kids that border Loudoun Co. to Langley is insane.

As insane as sending kids near 50 to McLean? because I looked and it adds the exact same amount of time to their commute.

Like it or not, the difference to HMS is within a couple minutes commute of Cooper and less than ten to HHS vs Langley.

Your equity obsession is showing.

They aren't proposing (yet) to send kids near Route 50 to McLean, just to Longfellow. They would leave these kids at Falls Church. Of course, that's even more bizarre, since about 95% of Longfellow goes to McLean. I guess they left them at Falls Church because they didn't want to add kids to overcrowded McLean, and maybe they even realized Falls Church is getting expanded, but all that should have also suggested leaving these kids at Jackson and maintaining the fairly even split feeder at Timber Lane.

Same analysis holds for Longfellow. The person who thinks it’s insane to send great falls to Langley surely feels the same about busing these poor kids to Longfellow, right?

I don't think that the proposed Timber Lane/Longfellow adjustment to 50 makes any sense. But if you are trying to convince me that Forestville should go anywhere other than Herndon, you'll fail. If I pick a nice central location on Seneca, it is 4 miles and less than 10 min from Herndon. It is 11 miles and 22 minutes (non-rush!) to Langley. There's simply no argument except people want to go to the rich school.

But I'm not just going to call out Forestville. Why is Westbriar the way it is, and why on earth would the western kids go to Marshall? Langley, Marshall, Madison, and McLean need to be more compact and be prepped to divide up any growth in Tysons.

Was Forestville mentioned in the proposal? Is it a split feeder?