Ward 3 - Wilson feeders meeting last night: did anyone attend?

[Anonymous]

Rhee had one good idea which was to move Ellington to another location and use the current building, the old Western High School, as a comprehensive high school for Ward 3.

If those with political power and money would take their kids out of St. Albans, NCS, Sidwell, Maret, GDS, Visi, and put them in Wilson the problem would be solved overnight.

Then DCPS would have to deal with an achievement gap of unprecedented proportions and that would be a shitshow of the highest order.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rhee had one good idea which was to move Ellington to another location and use the current building, the old Western High School, as a comprehensive high school for Ward 3.

If those with political power and money would take their kids out of St. Albans, NCS, Sidwell, Maret, GDS, Visi, and put them in Wilson the problem would be solved overnight.

Then DCPS would have to deal with an achievement gap of unprecedented proportions and that would be a shitshow of the highest order.

There's a bigger chance of pancakes raining from the sky tomorrow than this.

[Anonymous]

DCPS doesn't want these elaborate solutions that they would be unable to implement. We can't figure out how (or don't have the Wil) to get MD students out of our schools. So why do you think our notoriously corrupt city govt could handle some like cash payments to certain people. The account would be drained through fraud and theft within a month.

[Anonymous]

Wow. Okay, I don't think I can try to respond to everything, but let me say the following:

-- You have the slides, and not wishing to put words in DCPS' mouth, they did not provide an elaborate explanation of why these options are off the table. They consulted with folks both in DC government and without, and decided to not pursue them. Boundaries will be reviewed in 2022. Sorry to not say more.
-- But my impression is that not removing OOB feeder rights (at least as I understand it) means not removing the feeder rights of student currently at schools. Whether future OOB students have access to schools will depend on the lottery, etc., and whatever DCPS does to address overcrowding.
-- I do think people should brainstorm (and as an economist I at least admire the audacity of the "pay people to go to other schools" idea). Again, DCPS will do a survey -- the community working group has seen a rough first draft -- and I personally welcome any ideas folks want to send me at [e-mail] (no one has yet!).
-- We have another Ward 3 - Wilson Feeder Education Network meeting on Monday, June 5th at 7pm at the Tenley-Friendship library. All are welcome.

Sincerely,

Brian
W3EdNet

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Okay, I don't think I can try to respond to everything, but let me say the following:

-- You have the slides, and not wishing to put words in DCPS' mouth, they did not provide an elaborate explanation of why these options are off the table. They consulted with folks both in DC government and without, and decided to not pursue them. Boundaries will be reviewed in 2022. Sorry to not say more.
-- But my impression is that not removing OOB feeder rights (at least as I understand it) means not removing the feeder rights of student currently at schools. Whether future OOB students have access to schools will depend on the lottery, etc., and whatever DCPS does to address overcrowding.
-- I do think people should brainstorm (and as an economist I at least admire the audacity of the "pay people to go to other schools" idea). Again, DCPS will do a survey -- the community working group has seen a rough first draft -- and I personally welcome any ideas folks want to send me at [e-mail] (no one has yet!).
-- We have another Ward 3 - Wilson Feeder Education Network meeting on Monday, June 5th at 7pm at the Tenley-Friendship library. All are welcome.

Sincerely,

Brian
W3EdNet

2022? Which really means what, 2024 or later. Your organization, while well intentioned, has been coopted by DCPS to meet THEIR goals, not Ward 3. It's gives the appearance of prcesss and public engagement, without requiring any immediate deliverables. Which is just what DCPS wants Let current angry parents age out and move on and then on to the next group. At the current pace, it's possible that 2 full classes will pass in and out of 3 years at Deal before any changes. You are well organized and respected, please use your platform to demand more immediate and meaningful revisions to boundaries and OOB rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Okay, I don't think I can try to respond to everything, but let me say the following:

-- You have the slides, and not wishing to put words in DCPS' mouth, they did not provide an elaborate explanation of why these options are off the table. They consulted with folks both in DC government and without, and decided to not pursue them. Boundaries will be reviewed in 2022. Sorry to not say more.
-- But my impression is that not removing OOB feeder rights (at least as I understand it) means not removing the feeder rights of student currently at schools. Whether future OOB students have access to schools will depend on the lottery, etc., and whatever DCPS does to address overcrowding.
-- I do think people should brainstorm (and as an economist I at least admire the audacity of the "pay people to go to other schools" idea). Again, DCPS will do a survey -- the community working group has seen a rough first draft -- and I personally welcome any ideas folks want to send me at [e-mail] (no one has yet!).
-- We have another Ward 3 - Wilson Feeder Education Network meeting on Monday, June 5th at 7pm at the Tenley-Friendship library. All are welcome.

Sincerely,

Brian
W3EdNet

So why not stop OOB feeder rights effective now with grandfathering for those already at a Deal/Hardy/Wilson feeder? At least you can see slightly what impact that will have by the time the boundaries are next reviewed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Okay, I don't think I can try to respond to everything, but let me say the following:

-- You have the slides, and not wishing to put words in DCPS' mouth, they did not provide an elaborate explanation of why these options are off the table. They consulted with folks both in DC government and without, and decided to not pursue them. Boundaries will be reviewed in 2022. Sorry to not say more.
-- But my impression is that not removing OOB feeder rights (at least as I understand it) means not removing the feeder rights of student currently at schools. Whether future OOB students have access to schools will depend on the lottery, etc., and whatever DCPS does to address overcrowding.
-- I do think people should brainstorm (and as an economist I at least admire the audacity of the "pay people to go to other schools" idea). Again, DCPS will do a survey -- the community working group has seen a rough first draft -- and I personally welcome any ideas folks want to send me at [e-mail] (no one has yet!).
-- We have another Ward 3 - Wilson Feeder Education Network meeting on Monday, June 5th at 7pm at the Tenley-Friendship library. All are welcome.

Sincerely,

Brian
W3EdNet

So why not stop OOB feeder rights effective now with grandfathering for those already at a Deal/Hardy/Wilson feeder? At least you can see slightly what impact that will have by the time the boundaries are next reviewed.

Instead of stopping it altogether, change it from a right to a preference. The number of OOB feeder kids would be capped at the actual capacity of the schools, with the seats given out through the lottery process.

Hell, while you're at it make in-boundary a preference and not a right. Say there are no such things as rights, everything is subject to the capacity of the school.

If the OOB feeder kids are so politically all-powerful, this will create focused pressure to solve the capacity problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Okay, I don't think I can try to respond to everything, but let me say the following:

-- You have the slides, and not wishing to put words in DCPS' mouth, they did not provide an elaborate explanation of why these options are off the table. They consulted with folks both in DC government and without, and decided to not pursue them. Boundaries will be reviewed in 2022. Sorry to not say more.
-- But my impression is that not removing OOB feeder rights (at least as I understand it) means not removing the feeder rights of student currently at schools. Whether future OOB students have access to schools will depend on the lottery, etc., and whatever DCPS does to address overcrowding.
-- I do think people should brainstorm (and as an economist I at least admire the audacity of the "pay people to go to other schools" idea). Again, DCPS will do a survey -- the community working group has seen a rough first draft -- and I personally welcome any ideas folks want to send me at [e-mail] (no one has yet!).
-- We have another Ward 3 - Wilson Feeder Education Network meeting on Monday, June 5th at 7pm at the Tenley-Friendship library. All are welcome.

Sincerely,

Brian
W3EdNet

2022? Which really means what, 2024 or later. Your organization, while well intentioned, has been coopted by DCPS to meet THEIR goals, not Ward 3. It's gives the appearance of prcesss and public engagement, without requiring any immediate deliverables. Which is just what DCPS wants Let current angry parents age out and move on and then on to the next group. At the current pace, it's possible that 2 full classes will pass in and out of 3 years at Deal before any changes. You are well organized and respected, please use your platform to demand more immediate and meaningful revisions to boundaries and OOB rights.

Ding, ding!

DCPS knows that except at elementary, the entire school turns over in 3-4 years. If you just keep promising that solutions are five years away you can get the complaining parents to go away and stop bothering you. In elementary the parents are so caught up in the day-to-day of having young children that they don't start paying attention until second or third grade anyway so the effect is the same.

Saying 2022 is code for never.

[Anonymous]

Plus when you throw in grandfathering, any half assed solution created in 2022 won't really become effective until 2027. This all smells like a shell game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are jurisdictions that give property owners tax abatements if their kids go to private school. You could leverage this somewhat.

This will NEVER happen in DC. They'd sooner figure out a way to levy a "DCPS exit" fee on private school parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are jurisdictions that give property owners tax abatements if their kids go to private school. You could leverage this somewhat.

This will NEVER happen in DC. They'd sooner figure out a way to levy a "DCPS exit" fee on private school parents.

Oh I agree. I'm just saying since there would be an issue with optics paying people not to attend Deal/Wilson, they could do it in the form of a property tax credit rather than cash. I don't think the cash would ever happen either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are jurisdictions that give property owners tax abatements if their kids go to private school. You could leverage this somewhat.

This will NEVER happen in DC. They'd sooner figure out a way to levy a "DCPS exit" fee on private school parents.

Oh I agree. I'm just saying since there would be an issue with optics paying people not to attend Deal/Wilson, they could do it in the form of a property tax credit rather than cash. I don't think the cash would ever happen either.

The way to sugar coat it is to pay Deal students to attend MacFarland, rather than pay Deal students just to leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Plus when you throw in grandfathering, any half assed solution created in 2022 won't really become effective until 2027. This all smells like a shell game.

It's pretty clear that DCPS feels that it's easier to not fix the problem than to fix it. Just cram kids into the schools until some stop coming, that'll solve it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Plus when you throw in grandfathering, any half assed solution created in 2022 won't really become effective until 2027. This all smells like a shell game.

It's pretty clear that DCPS feels that it's easier to not fix the problem than to fix it. Just cram kids into the schools until some stop coming, that'll solve it.

Jokes aside, That will solve it now won't it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Plus when you throw in grandfathering, any half assed solution created in 2022 won't really become effective until 2027. This all smells like a shell game.

It's pretty clear that DCPS feels that it's easier to not fix the problem than to fix it. Just cram kids into the schools until some stop coming, that'll solve it.

Jokes aside, That will solve it now won't it?

I wasn't joking.