Are bikes allowed to go through red lights on major roads?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I drive a car and don’t get the vitriol for cyclists as there seems to be an incredible double standard.

Some cyclists break the law but far more drivers break the law, yes? If you are a driver and accelerate through red lights, go over the speed limit, don’t stop at stop signs, hold your phone while driving, don’t stay in your lane when on roundabouts or turning the corner, don’t indicate when changing lanes, you’re also breaking the law, yes?

Do you think more drivers do this than cyclists? I certainly do. So why so resentful of cyclists especially when there are d as I few of them?

There’s a half million cars in DC. If they blew stop signs at the rate cyclists blow stop signs, there would be thousands of car accidents every single day.

Since the pandemic, I've been working from home at least two days a week (and five days a week for the first couple of years). I would estimate that at the four-way stop sign next to my house in upper NW, at a quiet intersection without much traffic, maybe 50 to 60 percent of the cars come to a complete stop before proceeding through. It's a higher rate when multiple cars approach at the same time, but it's not 100 percent. (I actually think it's more like 20 or 30 percent who stop, but then I decided double it just to be conservative for the sake of this discussion.)

That also counts as "blowing stop signs," so I hope you're calculating that in your rate? Cars that exceed the speed limit are also breaking traffic laws; obviously, that's a very, very small percentage of all car trips, but even still, we've got to count them, too, if you're comparing bikes and cars.

[Anonymous]

This thread is pretty great you guys.

ANGRY POSTER 1: CYCLISTS GO SO SLOW AND CLOG UP TRAFFIC1!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 2: CYCLISTS BLOW THROUGH RED LIGHTS AND STOP SIGNS AND I NEVER SEE THEM COMING!!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 3: BIKES ARE PLAY TOYS AND ARE TOO SLOW TO BE ON THE STREET
ANGRY POSTER 4: CYCLIST MOVE UNPREDICTABLY AND TOO QUICKLY FOR ME TO REACT IN MY MOTOR VEHICLE

You all must be big fans of string theory. Schrodinger's cyclist says hi.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is pretty great you guys.

ANGRY POSTER 1: CYCLISTS GO SO SLOW AND CLOG UP TRAFFIC1!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 2: CYCLISTS BLOW THROUGH RED LIGHTS AND STOP SIGNS AND I NEVER SEE THEM COMING!!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 3: BIKES ARE PLAY TOYS AND ARE TOO SLOW TO BE ON THE STREET
ANGRY POSTER 4: CYCLIST MOVE UNPREDICTABLY AND TOO QUICKLY FOR ME TO REACT IN MY MOTOR VEHICLE

You all must be big fans of string theory. Schrodinger's cyclist says hi.

Don’t forget that old saw about how cyclists are more likely to be white, more likely to have higher incomes and more likely to live within biking distance of their jobs so closing roads like Beach to cars benefits them and disproportionately hurts black and brown people who drive because they’re commuting from much greater distances.

Oh wait…that one’s true isn’t it? Sorry teachers, cops and other government employees. Maybe you could save up and buy a place much closer in, near the cyclists?

[Anonymous]

Nope, also not true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is pretty great you guys.

ANGRY POSTER 1: CYCLISTS GO SO SLOW AND CLOG UP TRAFFIC1!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 2: CYCLISTS BLOW THROUGH RED LIGHTS AND STOP SIGNS AND I NEVER SEE THEM COMING!!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 3: BIKES ARE PLAY TOYS AND ARE TOO SLOW TO BE ON THE STREET
ANGRY POSTER 4: CYCLIST MOVE UNPREDICTABLY AND TOO QUICKLY FOR ME TO REACT IN MY MOTOR VEHICLE

You all must be big fans of string theory. Schrodinger's cyclist says hi.

Don’t forget that old saw about how cyclists are more likely to be white, more likely to have higher incomes and more likely to live within biking distance of their jobs so closing roads like Beach to cars benefits them and disproportionately hurts black and brown people who drive because they’re commuting from much greater distances.

Oh wait…that one’s true isn’t it? Sorry teachers, cops and other government employees. Maybe you could save up and buy a place much closer in, near the cyclists?

Do people even bike to work on Beach? Or is it mostly recreational cycling? Doesn't seem like a convenient way to get anywhere you'd need to be for an office job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is pretty great you guys.

ANGRY POSTER 1: CYCLISTS GO SO SLOW AND CLOG UP TRAFFIC1!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 2: CYCLISTS BLOW THROUGH RED LIGHTS AND STOP SIGNS AND I NEVER SEE THEM COMING!!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 3: BIKES ARE PLAY TOYS AND ARE TOO SLOW TO BE ON THE STREET
ANGRY POSTER 4: CYCLIST MOVE UNPREDICTABLY AND TOO QUICKLY FOR ME TO REACT IN MY MOTOR VEHICLE

You all must be big fans of string theory. Schrodinger's cyclist says hi.

Don’t forget that old saw about how cyclists are more likely to be white, more likely to have higher incomes and more likely to live within biking distance of their jobs so closing roads like Beach to cars benefits them and disproportionately hurts black and brown people who drive because they’re commuting from much greater distances.

Oh wait…that one’s true isn’t it? Sorry teachers, cops and other government employees. Maybe you could save up and buy a place much closer in, near the cyclists?

I'm a teacher who bikes to work every day. 8 miles each way. I bought a bike new for $500 ten years ago, so I spend $50/year on transportation. Good attempt though

[Anonymous]

Move bi&@h get out the way

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is pretty great you guys.

ANGRY POSTER 1: CYCLISTS GO SO SLOW AND CLOG UP TRAFFIC1!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 2: CYCLISTS BLOW THROUGH RED LIGHTS AND STOP SIGNS AND I NEVER SEE THEM COMING!!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 3: BIKES ARE PLAY TOYS AND ARE TOO SLOW TO BE ON THE STREET
ANGRY POSTER 4: CYCLIST MOVE UNPREDICTABLY AND TOO QUICKLY FOR ME TO REACT IN MY MOTOR VEHICLE

You all must be big fans of string theory. Schrodinger's cyclist says hi.

Don’t forget that old saw about how cyclists are more likely to be white, more likely to have higher incomes and more likely to live within biking distance of their jobs so closing roads like Beach to cars benefits them and disproportionately hurts black and brown people who drive because they’re commuting from much greater distances.

Oh wait…that one’s true isn’t it? Sorry teachers, cops and other government employees. Maybe you could save up and buy a place much closer in, near the cyclists?

Yet another trope. People who bike must be wealthy because *bikes* are so expensive! Yeah, I wonder why all those teachers, cops, and other public service providers have to move out to the suburbs. Probably could afford a place in Ward 3 or 4 if your NIMBY ass didn't keep clutching onto SF-Zoning and litigating into damnation every development there is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is pretty great you guys.

ANGRY POSTER 1: CYCLISTS GO SO SLOW AND CLOG UP TRAFFIC1!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 2: CYCLISTS BLOW THROUGH RED LIGHTS AND STOP SIGNS AND I NEVER SEE THEM COMING!!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 3: BIKES ARE PLAY TOYS AND ARE TOO SLOW TO BE ON THE STREET
ANGRY POSTER 4: CYCLIST MOVE UNPREDICTABLY AND TOO QUICKLY FOR ME TO REACT IN MY MOTOR VEHICLE

You all must be big fans of string theory. Schrodinger's cyclist says hi.

Don’t forget that old saw about how cyclists are more likely to be white, more likely to have higher incomes and more likely to live within biking distance of their jobs so closing roads like Beach to cars benefits them and disproportionately hurts black and brown people who drive because they’re commuting from much greater distances.

Oh wait…that one’s true isn’t it? Sorry teachers, cops and other government employees. Maybe you could save up and buy a place much closer in, near the cyclists?

Yet another trope. People who bike must be wealthy because *bikes* are so expensive! Yeah, I wonder why all those teachers, cops, and other public service providers have to move out to the suburbs. Probably could afford a place in Ward 3 or 4 if your NIMBY ass didn't keep clutching onto SF-Zoning and litigating into damnation every development there is.

All the available research shows cyclists in DC are overwhelmingly white and that drivers are disproportionately black and brown. So, yeah, closing roads to cars benefits a tiny number of white cyclists at the expense of a far larger number of nonwhite people. Yet another white privilege.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is pretty great you guys.

ANGRY POSTER 1: CYCLISTS GO SO SLOW AND CLOG UP TRAFFIC1!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 2: CYCLISTS BLOW THROUGH RED LIGHTS AND STOP SIGNS AND I NEVER SEE THEM COMING!!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 3: BIKES ARE PLAY TOYS AND ARE TOO SLOW TO BE ON THE STREET
ANGRY POSTER 4: CYCLIST MOVE UNPREDICTABLY AND TOO QUICKLY FOR ME TO REACT IN MY MOTOR VEHICLE

You all must be big fans of string theory. Schrodinger's cyclist says hi.

Don’t forget that old saw about how cyclists are more likely to be white, more likely to have higher incomes and more likely to live within biking distance of their jobs so closing roads like Beach to cars benefits them and disproportionately hurts black and brown people who drive because they’re commuting from much greater distances.

Oh wait…that one’s true isn’t it? Sorry teachers, cops and other government employees. Maybe you could save up and buy a place much closer in, near the cyclists?

Yet another trope. People who bike must be wealthy because *bikes* are so expensive! Yeah, I wonder why all those teachers, cops, and other public service providers have to move out to the suburbs. Probably could afford a place in Ward 3 or 4 if your NIMBY ass didn't keep clutching onto SF-Zoning and litigating into damnation every development there is.

All the available research shows cyclists in DC are overwhelmingly white and that drivers are disproportionately black and brown. So, yeah, closing roads to cars benefits a tiny number of white cyclists at the expense of a far larger number of nonwhite people. Yet another white privilege.

The last three bicyclists killed in the DC area, as far as I know:

Montgomery County: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/fatal-germantown-bike-crash-other-cars-may-have-left-scene/65-f2661a4a-1e27-403b-a9d0-c520c1bc66bb
Prince George's County: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/gregory-mccullom-family-investigation-prince-georges-county/65-aabd87a9-f691-475e-a841-433bdbca85b9
DC: https://www.fox5dc.com/news/bicyclist-killed-in-fourth-of-july-hit-and-run-crash-in-dc

So yeah, you're somehow incapable of seeing people on bicycles who aren't white. Though, to be fair to you, you're likely also incapable of seeing people on bicycles who are white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is pretty great you guys.

ANGRY POSTER 1: CYCLISTS GO SO SLOW AND CLOG UP TRAFFIC1!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 2: CYCLISTS BLOW THROUGH RED LIGHTS AND STOP SIGNS AND I NEVER SEE THEM COMING!!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 3: BIKES ARE PLAY TOYS AND ARE TOO SLOW TO BE ON THE STREET
ANGRY POSTER 4: CYCLIST MOVE UNPREDICTABLY AND TOO QUICKLY FOR ME TO REACT IN MY MOTOR VEHICLE

You all must be big fans of string theory. Schrodinger's cyclist says hi.

Don’t forget that old saw about how cyclists are more likely to be white, more likely to have higher incomes and more likely to live within biking distance of their jobs so closing roads like Beach to cars benefits them and disproportionately hurts black and brown people who drive because they’re commuting from much greater distances.

Oh wait…that one’s true isn’t it? Sorry teachers, cops and other government employees. Maybe you could save up and buy a place much closer in, near the cyclists?

Yet another trope. People who bike must be wealthy because *bikes* are so expensive! Yeah, I wonder why all those teachers, cops, and other public service providers have to move out to the suburbs. Probably could afford a place in Ward 3 or 4 if your NIMBY ass didn't keep clutching onto SF-Zoning and litigating into damnation every development there is.

All the available research shows cyclists in DC are overwhelmingly white and that drivers are disproportionately black and brown. So, yeah, closing roads to cars benefits a tiny number of white cyclists at the expense of a far larger number of nonwhite people. Yet another white privilege.

what research? and why shouldn’t we work to get black people into biking as a response?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is pretty great you guys.

ANGRY POSTER 1: CYCLISTS GO SO SLOW AND CLOG UP TRAFFIC1!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 2: CYCLISTS BLOW THROUGH RED LIGHTS AND STOP SIGNS AND I NEVER SEE THEM COMING!!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 3: BIKES ARE PLAY TOYS AND ARE TOO SLOW TO BE ON THE STREET
ANGRY POSTER 4: CYCLIST MOVE UNPREDICTABLY AND TOO QUICKLY FOR ME TO REACT IN MY MOTOR VEHICLE

You all must be big fans of string theory. Schrodinger's cyclist says hi.

Don’t forget that old saw about how cyclists are more likely to be white, more likely to have higher incomes and more likely to live within biking distance of their jobs so closing roads like Beach to cars benefits them and disproportionately hurts black and brown people who drive because they’re commuting from much greater distances.

Oh wait…that one’s true isn’t it? Sorry teachers, cops and other government employees. Maybe you could save up and buy a place much closer in, near the cyclists?

Yet another trope. People who bike must be wealthy because *bikes* are so expensive! Yeah, I wonder why all those teachers, cops, and other public service providers have to move out to the suburbs. Probably could afford a place in Ward 3 or 4 if your NIMBY ass didn't keep clutching onto SF-Zoning and litigating into damnation every development there is.

All the available research shows cyclists in DC are overwhelmingly white and that drivers are disproportionately black and brown. So, yeah, closing roads to cars benefits a tiny number of white cyclists at the expense of a far larger number of nonwhite people. Yet another white privilege.

what research? and why shouldn’t we work to get black people into biking as a response?

Black people are into biking already...

https://www.blackgirlsdobike.org/
http://www.divacycling.org/
https://gii.clubexpress.com/
https://twitter.com/ohbike

Not to mention the Black people who aren't into organized biking but bike. For example, Michael Gordon, who was killed while bicycling in DC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLO6uVLqyH0

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is pretty great you guys.

ANGRY POSTER 1: CYCLISTS GO SO SLOW AND CLOG UP TRAFFIC1!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 2: CYCLISTS BLOW THROUGH RED LIGHTS AND STOP SIGNS AND I NEVER SEE THEM COMING!!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 3: BIKES ARE PLAY TOYS AND ARE TOO SLOW TO BE ON THE STREET
ANGRY POSTER 4: CYCLIST MOVE UNPREDICTABLY AND TOO QUICKLY FOR ME TO REACT IN MY MOTOR VEHICLE

You all must be big fans of string theory. Schrodinger's cyclist says hi.

Don’t forget that old saw about how cyclists are more likely to be white, more likely to have higher incomes and more likely to live within biking distance of their jobs so closing roads like Beach to cars benefits them and disproportionately hurts black and brown people who drive because they’re commuting from much greater distances.

Oh wait…that one’s true isn’t it? Sorry teachers, cops and other government employees. Maybe you could save up and buy a place much closer in, near the cyclists?

Do people even bike to work on Beach? Or is it mostly recreational cycling? Doesn't seem like a convenient way to get anywhere you'd need to be for an office job.

OK if it isn't convenient to get to an office job then why are drivers so up in arms about it being closed to cars?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is pretty great you guys.

ANGRY POSTER 1: CYCLISTS GO SO SLOW AND CLOG UP TRAFFIC1!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 2: CYCLISTS BLOW THROUGH RED LIGHTS AND STOP SIGNS AND I NEVER SEE THEM COMING!!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 3: BIKES ARE PLAY TOYS AND ARE TOO SLOW TO BE ON THE STREET
ANGRY POSTER 4: CYCLIST MOVE UNPREDICTABLY AND TOO QUICKLY FOR ME TO REACT IN MY MOTOR VEHICLE

You all must be big fans of string theory. Schrodinger's cyclist says hi.

Don’t forget that old saw about how cyclists are more likely to be white, more likely to have higher incomes and more likely to live within biking distance of their jobs so closing roads like Beach to cars benefits them and disproportionately hurts black and brown people who drive because they’re commuting from much greater distances.

Oh wait…that one’s true isn’t it? Sorry teachers, cops and other government employees. Maybe you could save up and buy a place much closer in, near the cyclists?

Do people even bike to work on Beach? Or is it mostly recreational cycling? Doesn't seem like a convenient way to get anywhere you'd need to be for an office job.

OK if it isn't convenient to get to an office job then why are drivers so up in arms about it being closed to cars?

It's a convenient way to get to an office job if you're driving from the northern end of it, because who cares if you have to drive uphill out of the park to get where you're going. But for people who live near the park and bike to work downtown, it's much more convenient to just take surface streets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is pretty great you guys.

ANGRY POSTER 1: CYCLISTS GO SO SLOW AND CLOG UP TRAFFIC1!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 2: CYCLISTS BLOW THROUGH RED LIGHTS AND STOP SIGNS AND I NEVER SEE THEM COMING!!!!111ONEONE
ANGRY POSTER 3: BIKES ARE PLAY TOYS AND ARE TOO SLOW TO BE ON THE STREET
ANGRY POSTER 4: CYCLIST MOVE UNPREDICTABLY AND TOO QUICKLY FOR ME TO REACT IN MY MOTOR VEHICLE

You all must be big fans of string theory. Schrodinger's cyclist says hi.

Don’t forget that old saw about how cyclists are more likely to be white, more likely to have higher incomes and more likely to live within biking distance of their jobs so closing roads like Beach to cars benefits them and disproportionately hurts black and brown people who drive because they’re commuting from much greater distances.

Oh wait…that one’s true isn’t it? Sorry teachers, cops and other government employees. Maybe you could save up and buy a place much closer in, near the cyclists?

Do people even bike to work on Beach? Or is it mostly recreational cycling? Doesn't seem like a convenient way to get anywhere you'd need to be for an office job.

OK if it isn't convenient to get to an office job then why are drivers so up in arms about it being closed to cars?

It's a convenient way to get to an office job if you're driving from the northern end of it, because who cares if you have to drive uphill out of the park to get where you're going. But for people who live near the park and bike to work downtown, it's much more convenient to just take surface streets.

So, you just think any hill makes biking inconvenient?