Families that never volunteer - swim team

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Anonymous wrote:Time to start hiring people volunteering is not possible with us millennials working triple jobs

You aren't working triple jobs and be real, if they hired people do you realize what they'd have to charge for team and most families aren't willing to pay that. Part of team is everyone pitching in.

Parenting counts as a job, am I right SAHMs?!?

Sure and one that you can hire someone to do for a few hours so you can volunteer!

If every family is hiring a babysitter for a few hours just do they can volunteer, then it would definitely be cheaper to hire out swim team staff. If I have to pay $100 a night for a sitter, it would be way easier to pay that to a timer or a clerk or whatever else they need.

This is not happening. Find a way to make it work or tell your kid no swim team. It’s that simple. There is no option C: we can’t make volunteering work for our family but will still do swim team.

I’ve been a rep. There are plenty of off deck jobs you can do, none of which require childcare. On our team that might look like: serving donuts or pancakes in the clubhouse, picking up donuts, donating food, making pancakes, etc. Alternatively, you can hire a sitter and do an on deck job or hire a teen to do the on deck job for you. It’s entitled and selfish to engage in an activity that has rules for all, but you nevertheless engage in the activity knowing you won’t follow them. Those rules are there because it makes summer swim team fun for all and competitive for some.

Well put. There is no Option C. Do the work or skip swim team.

If your kid goes to practice and swims the occasional B meet, I don't think it's a big deal if you time once a season or bring something for the concession stand to sell once. In the scheme of things, it's fine. If your kid is swimming every A meet and you can't be bothered to volunteer you're a leach.

And this is why people see you as entitled. YOU don’t think it’s a big deal to time at one meet even if your kid goes to more than one meet or bring something once. Everyone needs to meet the obligations of being in the team. It’s very, very easy: don’t want to volunteer, don’t do swim team or don’t do any meets. But it isn’t up to any of us to just think: eh, in my opinion what I did is sufficient.

PP here, I'm currently our team's starter and have worked every almost job our has other than team rep and announcer. With 200 swimmers, we really don't need everyone being forced to volunteer because there are enough people who are happy to do it. We tell parents one shift per swimmer per summer, but no one checks or cares

I think this is a good example of how pools are different. We're a much smaller team, so we need parents to do more. On the other hand, we're also a member owned pool with lower fees than many, so if a family can't volunteer, but donates, that's appreciated.

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Anonymous wrote:Time to start hiring people volunteering is not possible with us millennials working triple jobs

You aren't working triple jobs and be real, if they hired people do you realize what they'd have to charge for team and most families aren't willing to pay that. Part of team is everyone pitching in.

Parenting counts as a job, am I right SAHMs?!?

Sure and one that you can hire someone to do for a few hours so you can volunteer!

If every family is hiring a babysitter for a few hours just do they can volunteer, then it would definitely be cheaper to hire out swim team staff. If I have to pay $100 a night for a sitter, it would be way easier to pay that to a timer or a clerk or whatever else they need.

This is not happening. Find a way to make it work or tell your kid no swim team. It’s that simple. There is no option C: we can’t make volunteering work for our family but will still do swim team.

I’ve been a rep. There are plenty of off deck jobs you can do, none of which require childcare. On our team that might look like: serving donuts or pancakes in the clubhouse, picking up donuts, donating food, making pancakes, etc. Alternatively, you can hire a sitter and do an on deck job or hire a teen to do the on deck job for you. It’s entitled and selfish to engage in an activity that has rules for all, but you nevertheless engage in the activity knowing you won’t follow them. Those rules are there because it makes summer swim team fun for all and competitive for some.

Well put. There is no Option C. Do the work or skip swim team.

If your kid goes to practice and swims the occasional B meet, I don't think it's a big deal if you time once a season or bring something for the concession stand to sell once. In the scheme of things, it's fine. If your kid is swimming every A meet and you can't be bothered to volunteer you're a leach.

And this is why people see you as entitled. YOU don’t think it’s a big deal to time at one meet even if your kid goes to more than one meet or bring something once. Everyone needs to meet the obligations of being in the team. It’s very, very easy: don’t want to volunteer, don’t do swim team or don’t do any meets. But it isn’t up to any of us to just think: eh, in my opinion what I did is sufficient.

PP here, I'm currently our team's starter and have worked every almost job our has other than team rep and announcer. With 200 swimmers, we really don't need everyone being forced to volunteer because there are enough people who are happy to do it. We tell parents one shift per swimmer per summer, but no one checks or cares

I think this is a good example of how pools are different. We're a much smaller team, so we need parents to do more. On the other hand, we're also a member owned pool with lower fees than many, so if a family can't volunteer, but donates, that's appreciated.

The point is - whatever the team’s volunteer requirements are, must be met. If they can’t be - then don’t join the team or don’t do meets

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Anonymous wrote:Time to start hiring people volunteering is not possible with us millennials working triple jobs

You aren't working triple jobs and be real, if they hired people do you realize what they'd have to charge for team and most families aren't willing to pay that. Part of team is everyone pitching in.

Parenting counts as a job, am I right SAHMs?!?

Sure and one that you can hire someone to do for a few hours so you can volunteer!

If every family is hiring a babysitter for a few hours just do they can volunteer, then it would definitely be cheaper to hire out swim team staff. If I have to pay $100 a night for a sitter, it would be way easier to pay that to a timer or a clerk or whatever else they need.

This is not happening. Find a way to make it work or tell your kid no swim team. It’s that simple. There is no option C: we can’t make volunteering work for our family but will still do swim team.

I’ve been a rep. There are plenty of off deck jobs you can do, none of which require childcare. On our team that might look like: serving donuts or pancakes in the clubhouse, picking up donuts, donating food, making pancakes, etc. Alternatively, you can hire a sitter and do an on deck job or hire a teen to do the on deck job for you. It’s entitled and selfish to engage in an activity that has rules for all, but you nevertheless engage in the activity knowing you won’t follow them. Those rules are there because it makes summer swim team fun for all and competitive for some.

Well put. There is no Option C. Do the work or skip swim team.

If your kid goes to practice and swims the occasional B meet, I don't think it's a big deal if you time once a season or bring something for the concession stand to sell once. In the scheme of things, it's fine. If your kid is swimming every A meet and you can't be bothered to volunteer you're a leach.

And this is why people see you as entitled. YOU don’t think it’s a big deal to time at one meet even if your kid goes to more than one meet or bring something once. Everyone needs to meet the obligations of being in the team. It’s very, very easy: don’t want to volunteer, don’t do swim team or don’t do any meets. But it isn’t up to any of us to just think: eh, in my opinion what I did is sufficient.

PP here, I'm currently our team's starter and have worked every almost job our has other than team rep and announcer. With 200 swimmers, we really don't need everyone being forced to volunteer because there are enough people who are happy to do it. We tell parents one shift per swimmer per summer, but no one checks or cares

I think this is a good example of how pools are different. We're a much smaller team, so we need parents to do more. On the other hand, we're also a member owned pool with lower fees than many, so if a family can't volunteer, but donates, that's appreciated.

The point is - whatever the team’s volunteer requirements are, must be met. If they can’t be - then don’t join the team or don’t do meets

Imagine caring this much about swim team? Get a hobby lady.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Swim team was gross and such a waste of time. Just let people enjoy the neighborhood pool instead of giving in to this insanity. Everyone knows that if you truly want your kid to be a competitive swimmer, you need to be going at the crack of dawn and practicing at an indoor olympic pool year-round.

The competitive kids are doing both. Summer swim team is about fun.

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Anonymous wrote:Time to start hiring people volunteering is not possible with us millennials working triple jobs

You aren't working triple jobs and be real, if they hired people do you realize what they'd have to charge for team and most families aren't willing to pay that. Part of team is everyone pitching in.

Parenting counts as a job, am I right SAHMs?!?

Sure and one that you can hire someone to do for a few hours so you can volunteer!

If every family is hiring a babysitter for a few hours just do they can volunteer, then it would definitely be cheaper to hire out swim team staff. If I have to pay $100 a night for a sitter, it would be way easier to pay that to a timer or a clerk or whatever else they need.

This is not happening. Find a way to make it work or tell your kid no swim team. It’s that simple. There is no option C: we can’t make volunteering work for our family but will still do swim team.

I’ve been a rep. There are plenty of off deck jobs you can do, none of which require childcare. On our team that might look like: serving donuts or pancakes in the clubhouse, picking up donuts, donating food, making pancakes, etc. Alternatively, you can hire a sitter and do an on deck job or hire a teen to do the on deck job for you. It’s entitled and selfish to engage in an activity that has rules for all, but you nevertheless engage in the activity knowing you won’t follow them. Those rules are there because it makes summer swim team fun for all and competitive for some.

Well put. There is no Option C. Do the work or skip swim team.

If your kid goes to practice and swims the occasional B meet, I don't think it's a big deal if you time once a season or bring something for the concession stand to sell once. In the scheme of things, it's fine. If your kid is swimming every A meet and you can't be bothered to volunteer you're a leach.

And this is why people see you as entitled. YOU don’t think it’s a big deal to time at one meet even if your kid goes to more than one meet or bring something once. Everyone needs to meet the obligations of being in the team. It’s very, very easy: don’t want to volunteer, don’t do swim team or don’t do any meets. But it isn’t up to any of us to just think: eh, in my opinion what I did is sufficient.

PP here, I'm currently our team's starter and have worked every almost job our has other than team rep and announcer. With 200 swimmers, we really don't need everyone being forced to volunteer because there are enough people who are happy to do it. We tell parents one shift per swimmer per summer, but no one checks or cares

I think this is a good example of how pools are different. We're a much smaller team, so we need parents to do more. On the other hand, we're also a member owned pool with lower fees than many, so if a family can't volunteer, but donates, that's appreciated.

The point is - whatever the team’s volunteer requirements are, must be met. If they can’t be - then don’t join the team or don’t do meets

The same group of parents whose kids swim A meets every week are going to fill out most of the roles. They'll need a few extra timers and more help selling concessions, but the major roles are filled. A lot of the jobs for B meets are make work jobs so that parents can volunteer. If we're short a table runner or third person on a concession shift it doesn't matter. Likewise, we don't expect a parent to get certified if their kid isn't swimming A meets

[Anonymous]

So that we are clear: some of you believe A meet (only) parents should volunteer more than required because their kids are in A meets and B meet parents should volunteer less? My kids don’t do a single B meet. If the A meet swimmer does no B meets, then the kids are all in the same number of meets. Regardless, at most pools the rule is: your kid is in the meet, you volunteer. That’s pretty fair, isn’t it? Kids who swim both A and B meets will cause more volunteer requirements.

It’s baffling why anyone is okay being so narcissistic that they disregard rules as being inapplicable to them because they (alone) can determine what is okay or not.

- former team rep

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Anonymous wrote:So that we are clear: some of you believe A meet (only) parents should volunteer more than required because their kids are in A meets and B meet parents should volunteer less? My kids don’t do a single B meet. If the A meet swimmer does no B meets, then the kids are all in the same number of meets. Regardless, at most pools the rule is: your kid is in the meet, you volunteer. That’s pretty fair, isn’t it? Kids who swim both A and B meets will cause more volunteer requirements.

It’s baffling why anyone is okay being so narcissistic that they disregard rules as being inapplicable to them because they (alone) can determine what is okay or not.

- former team rep

Then how do they have times to swim a meets?

[Anonymous]

The reason people in this thread are annoyed with those who won’t volunteer because of work/family etc is the tone and the attitude. Well I cant do it but it doesn’t matter because someone else will do it anyway.

There are the folks with true hardship situations that everyone on here has repeatedly said they will gladly step in for. Those of you saying I have a job, have small kids I don’t have to volunteer are lecturing a bunch of people in the same boat - or were at one time and those people ACTIVELY made an effort to find a way to help that fit their lifestyle. Summer swim is a community based model. It only works if everyone understands they need to pitch in.

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Anonymous wrote:So that we are clear: some of you believe A meet (only) parents should volunteer more than required because their kids are in A meets and B meet parents should volunteer less? My kids don’t do a single B meet. If the A meet swimmer does no B meets, then the kids are all in the same number of meets. Regardless, at most pools the rule is: your kid is in the meet, you volunteer. That’s pretty fair, isn’t it? Kids who swim both A and B meets will cause more volunteer requirements.

It’s baffling why anyone is okay being so narcissistic that they disregard rules as being inapplicable to them because they (alone) can determine what is okay or not.

- former team rep

Then how do they have times to swim a meets?

My kids get times at Time Trials to qualify for the first A meet, and then use their times at the A meets to qualify for the next A meet. Isn't that how it usually works?

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Anonymous wrote:So that we are clear: some of you believe A meet (only) parents should volunteer more than required because their kids are in A meets and B meet parents should volunteer less? My kids don’t do a single B meet. If the A meet swimmer does no B meets, then the kids are all in the same number of meets. Regardless, at most pools the rule is: your kid is in the meet, you volunteer. That’s pretty fair, isn’t it? Kids who swim both A and B meets will cause more volunteer requirements.

It’s baffling why anyone is okay being so narcissistic that they disregard rules as being inapplicable to them because they (alone) can determine what is okay or not.

- former team rep

Then how do they have times to swim a meets?

My kids get times at Time Trials to qualify for the first A meet, and then use their times at the A meets to qualify for the next A meet. Isn't that how it usually works?

It is different in NVSL and other places

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Anonymous wrote:So that we are clear: some of you believe A meet (only) parents should volunteer more than required because their kids are in A meets and B meet parents should volunteer less? My kids don’t do a single B meet. If the A meet swimmer does no B meets, then the kids are all in the same number of meets. Regardless, at most pools the rule is: your kid is in the meet, you volunteer. That’s pretty fair, isn’t it? Kids who swim both A and B meets will cause more volunteer requirements.

It’s baffling why anyone is okay being so narcissistic that they disregard rules as being inapplicable to them because they (alone) can determine what is okay or not.

- former team rep

Then how do they have times to swim a meets?

My kids get times at Time Trials to qualify for the first A meet, and then use their times at the A meets to qualify for the next A meet. Isn't that how it usually works?

It is different in NVSL and other places

How does it work in NVSL?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So that we are clear: some of you believe A meet (only) parents should volunteer more than required because their kids are in A meets and B meet parents should volunteer less? My kids don’t do a single B meet. If the A meet swimmer does no B meets, then the kids are all in the same number of meets. Regardless, at most pools the rule is: your kid is in the meet, you volunteer. That’s pretty fair, isn’t it? Kids who swim both A and B meets will cause more volunteer requirements.

It’s baffling why anyone is okay being so narcissistic that they disregard rules as being inapplicable to them because they (alone) can determine what is okay or not.

- former team rep

Then how do they have times to swim a meets?

My kids get times at Time Trials to qualify for the first A meet, and then use their times at the A meets to qualify for the next A meet. Isn't that how it usually works?

We consider time trials B meets for volunteering purposes

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Anonymous wrote:So that we are clear: some of you believe A meet (only) parents should volunteer more than required because their kids are in A meets and B meet parents should volunteer less? My kids don’t do a single B meet. If the A meet swimmer does no B meets, then the kids are all in the same number of meets. Regardless, at most pools the rule is: your kid is in the meet, you volunteer. That’s pretty fair, isn’t it? Kids who swim both A and B meets will cause more volunteer requirements.

It’s baffling why anyone is okay being so narcissistic that they disregard rules as being inapplicable to them because they (alone) can determine what is okay or not.

- former team rep

Then how do they have times to swim a meets?

My kids get times at Time Trials to qualify for the first A meet, and then use their times at the A meets to qualify for the next A meet. Isn't that how it usually works?

We consider time trials B meets for volunteering purposes

I see. In that case I would assume that the team rep above who says their kid doesn't swim B meets they mean B meets that aren't time trials.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So that we are clear: some of you believe A meet (only) parents should volunteer more than required because their kids are in A meets and B meet parents should volunteer less? My kids don’t do a single B meet. If the A meet swimmer does no B meets, then the kids are all in the same number of meets. Regardless, at most pools the rule is: your kid is in the meet, you volunteer. That’s pretty fair, isn’t it? Kids who swim both A and B meets will cause more volunteer requirements.

It’s baffling why anyone is okay being so narcissistic that they disregard rules as being inapplicable to them because they (alone) can determine what is okay or not.

- former team rep

Then how do they have times to swim a meets?

My kids get times at Time Trials to qualify for the first A meet, and then use their times at the A meets to qualify for the next A meet. Isn't that how it usually works?

We consider time trials B meets for volunteering purposes

I see. In that case I would assume that the team rep above who says their kid doesn't swim B meets they mean B meets that aren't time trials.

None of it matters: B meets that include or exclude time trials. A meets only. A and b meets only. B meets only.

The only thing that matters is the parents chip in and meet their volunteer obligations or willingly pay the penalty. Parents who self-title their minimal efforts “sufficient” when it’s less than the required volunteer hours are selfish.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So that we are clear: some of you believe A meet (only) parents should volunteer more than required because their kids are in A meets and B meet parents should volunteer less? My kids don’t do a single B meet. If the A meet swimmer does no B meets, then the kids are all in the same number of meets. Regardless, at most pools the rule is: your kid is in the meet, you volunteer. That’s pretty fair, isn’t it? Kids who swim both A and B meets will cause more volunteer requirements.

It’s baffling why anyone is okay being so narcissistic that they disregard rules as being inapplicable to them because they (alone) can determine what is okay or not.

- former team rep

Then how do they have times to swim a meets?

My kids get times at Time Trials to qualify for the first A meet, and then use their times at the A meets to qualify for the next A meet. Isn't that how it usually works?

It is different in NVSL and other places

Not really: kids with faster times, regardless when the time was earned, swim in the A meets. The really fast swimmers know they have no chance of losing their A meet spots. Other on-the-border kids may lose their following A meet spot by a faster B meet swimmer. That’s how NVSL works.