Russia fires missiles into Poland

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Talk about unhinged!

This is the Vogue magazine photo op t-shirt guy to whom we are giving $100+ billion dollars of weaponry. What could go wrong?

In a rather unusual development, CNN has been allowed to publish a piece that isn't 100% flattering to Zelensky.

Hopefully a sign that we're not giving the maniacs in Ukraine a blank check anymore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Talk about unhinged!

This is the Vogue magazine photo op t-shirt guy to whom we are giving $100+ billion dollars of weaponry. What could go wrong?

In a rather unusual development, CNN has been allowed to publish a piece that isn't 100% flattering to Zelensky.

Hopefully a sign that we're not giving the maniacs in Ukraine a blank check anymore.

So I don't get how the Ukrainians are now the maniacs. They're not the ones who've invaded their neighbors and proceeded to behave like subhuman, knuckle draggers. What am I missing, aside that Zelensky is no more and no less than an imperfect human?

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Anonymous wrote:NATO has a sophisticated ground based radar system along the Polish-Ukrainian border. They also have AWACS and satellite monitoring. The data is fed into the NATO defense system in real time. NATO almost certainly was able to track the missile in real time and the information was available to Polish military before the Russian attaché was summoned in Warsaw.

Did Duda act precipitously? We don’t know. What we do not is that the missile strike occurred while Russia was launching up to 100 cruise missiles and other munitions at Ukrainian population centers. So one might be inclined to cut Zelenskyy and his command structure a little slack after 10 months of carnage. It’s also understandable the reasons they seek to keep Western pressure on Putin by highlighting the indiscriminate use of munitions against civilians.

The US maneuvered quickly to calm the situation. Either way, it remains clear NATO has no desire to invoke Article 5, particularly over an errant Russian missile if that is proven to be what happened. The world will know more in a few days. Meanwhile we can take some comfort in the measured diplomatic response from Biden and other NATO leaders. It is yet another indication that any future military escalation would be proportionate and non-escalatory. This comports with NATO’s initial response to the special military operation, which was to mobilize the NATO Response Force (NRF) and implement a series of collective defense and deterrence measures in accordance with Article 5.

It wasn't an errant Russian missile---that much as already been acknowledged. It was an errant Ukrainian missile; but our Ukrainian "friend" Zelensky and falsely claimed (as if he had facts to back it up) that it was a Russian missile hitting Poland. Knowing the severe risks of WW3 and nuclear holocaust that could come about as a result of a NATA clash, Zelensky's lies demonstrates a level of deceit or stupidity that is breathtaking.

Did Trump ever find the missing servers hidden in Ukraine? The ones for which he illegally sought to withhold military aid?

Just think of how much better off everyone would be had Ukraine been cut off years ago. They couldn't afford to purposely launch missiles at Poland and blame Russia.

So it would be better for us to stand aside while Russia gobbles up independent states which were once part of the USSR?

Yes. It would be better for us to stay out of foreign border wars involving thermonuclear-armed military superpowers with the capability of wiping our country off the map.

"America ... has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of ... the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.

Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and
her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. "

- John Quincy Adams, 1821

DP.

Yeah, tell that to the greatest generation ok? Guess we should have just let Germany have Europe.

One doesn't need to take the bait and get dragged into pointless historical analogies; it is enough to simply point out that Germany never possessed thermonuclear weapons capable of obliterating the United States at the push of a button.

This is 2022, not 1942.

DP.. you are basically saying we should be afraid of the big bully that is Putin, and give him what he wants. Basically, be pu$$ies. What happened to tough Rs?

-former R

And you are basically acting like a little kid on a playground rather than an adult rationally thinking about confrontation on the border of a thermonuclear-armed military superpower, Mr. “Former R” aka Neocon war-monger.

Russia is not a military superpower. They do have nuclear weapons though.

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Anonymous wrote:NATO has a sophisticated ground based radar system along the Polish-Ukrainian border. They also have AWACS and satellite monitoring. The data is fed into the NATO defense system in real time. NATO almost certainly was able to track the missile in real time and the information was available to Polish military before the Russian attaché was summoned in Warsaw.

Did Duda act precipitously? We don’t know. What we do not is that the missile strike occurred while Russia was launching up to 100 cruise missiles and other munitions at Ukrainian population centers. So one might be inclined to cut Zelenskyy and his command structure a little slack after 10 months of carnage. It’s also understandable the reasons they seek to keep Western pressure on Putin by highlighting the indiscriminate use of munitions against civilians.

The US maneuvered quickly to calm the situation. Either way, it remains clear NATO has no desire to invoke Article 5, particularly over an errant Russian missile if that is proven to be what happened. The world will know more in a few days. Meanwhile we can take some comfort in the measured diplomatic response from Biden and other NATO leaders. It is yet another indication that any future military escalation would be proportionate and non-escalatory. This comports with NATO’s initial response to the special military operation, which was to mobilize the NATO Response Force (NRF) and implement a series of collective defense and deterrence measures in accordance with Article 5.

It wasn't an errant Russian missile---that much as already been acknowledged. It was an errant Ukrainian missile; but our Ukrainian "friend" Zelensky and falsely claimed (as if he had facts to back it up) that it was a Russian missile hitting Poland. Knowing the severe risks of WW3 and nuclear holocaust that could come about as a result of a NATA clash, Zelensky's lies demonstrates a level of deceit or stupidity that is breathtaking.

Did Trump ever find the missing servers hidden in Ukraine? The ones for which he illegally sought to withhold military aid?

Just think of how much better off everyone would be had Ukraine been cut off years ago. They couldn't afford to purposely launch missiles at Poland and blame Russia.

So it would be better for us to stand aside while Russia gobbles up independent states which were once part of the USSR?

Yes. It would be better for us to stay out of foreign border wars involving thermonuclear-armed military superpowers with the capability of wiping our country off the map.

"America ... has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of ... the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.

Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and
her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. "

- John Quincy Adams, 1821

DP.

Yeah, tell that to the greatest generation ok? Guess we should have just let Germany have Europe.

One doesn't need to take the bait and get dragged into pointless historical analogies; it is enough to simply point out that Germany never possessed thermonuclear weapons capable of obliterating the United States at the push of a button.

This is 2022, not 1942.

DP.. you are basically saying we should be afraid of the big bully that is Putin, and give him what he wants. Basically, be pu$$ies. What happened to tough Rs?

-former R

And you are basically acting like a little kid on a playground rather than an adult rationally thinking about confrontation on the border of a thermonuclear-armed military superpower, Mr. “Former R” aka Neocon war-monger.

Russia is not a military superpower. They do have nuclear weapons though.

They certainly continue getting embarrassed on the battlefield. A lot of dominoes will fall over the winter. Russia is in a very bad tactical/strategic spot right now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Talk about unhinged!

This is the Vogue magazine photo op t-shirt guy to whom we are giving $100+ billion dollars of weaponry. What could go wrong?

In a rather unusual development, CNN has been allowed to publish a piece that isn't 100% flattering to Zelensky.

Hopefully a sign that we're not giving the maniacs in Ukraine a blank check anymore.

So I don't get how the Ukrainians are now the maniacs. They're not the ones who've invaded their neighbors and proceeded to behave like subhuman, knuckle draggers. What am I missing, aside that Zelensky is no more and no less than an imperfect human?

They've been maniacs since 2014, its just the media covered for them up until now. That is what is significant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Talk about unhinged!

This is the Vogue magazine photo op t-shirt guy to whom we are giving $100+ billion dollars of weaponry. What could go wrong?

In a rather unusual development, CNN has been allowed to publish a piece that isn't 100% flattering to Zelensky.

Hopefully a sign that we're not giving the maniacs in Ukraine a blank check anymore.

So I don't get how the Ukrainians are now the maniacs. They're not the ones who've invaded their neighbors and proceeded to behave like subhuman, knuckle draggers. What am I missing, aside that Zelensky is no more and no less than an imperfect human?

They are not the maniacs. But they too have a narrative and an agenda, and it does not 100% match facts on the ground.

A president doesn't have to be perfect; in fact, most of them are very flawed. But it does help if he resists saying things that are 100% untrue, especially in contradiction to what his patron is saying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Talk about unhinged!

This is the Vogue magazine photo op t-shirt guy to whom we are giving $100+ billion dollars of weaponry. What could go wrong?

In a rather unusual development, CNN has been allowed to publish a piece that isn't 100% flattering to Zelensky.

Hopefully a sign that we're not giving the maniacs in Ukraine a blank check anymore.

So I don't get how the Ukrainians are now the maniacs. They're not the ones who've invaded their neighbors and proceeded to behave like subhuman, knuckle draggers. What am I missing, aside that Zelensky is no more and no less than an imperfect human?

They've been maniacs since 2014, its just the media covered for them up until now. That is what is significant.

I don't think they've been maniacs and it's unhelpful to describe them as such. But you are correct that very little honest reporting has happened in the West about the reality of life in Donbass under the Ukrainian rule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Zelensky to the world: A Russian missile was launched into Poland! Russia attacking NATO!

Sullivan to Zelensky: Can you watch your mouth and not say crazy things?

Zelensky to Sullivan: Well can I talk to the big man? Is Mr. B available?

Sullivan: No he isn't, not to crazy bigmouths like you.

Zelensky: It was a Russian missile too! yes it was! I wanna be on the investigation team!

Sullivan: No you can't. Go home.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/17/politics/ukraine-missile-poland-russia-biden-officials-scramble/index.html

Now the Polish president tells Zelensky "your people can observe the investigation if you like, but you cannot participate or have access to the documents."

[Anonymous]

Nothing to see:

Italian police announced a series of raids against the neo-Nazi Order of Hagal organization. Accused of stockpiling weapons and planning terror attacks, the group has established operational ties to the Ukrainian Azov Battalion.

Five members of an Italian neo-Nazi organization known as the “Order of Hagal” were arrested on November 15th while an additional member remains wanted by authorities. He happened to be in Ukraine, fighting Russian forces alongside the Azov Battalion, which has been formally integrated into the Ukrainian military.

The “Hagal” members are accused of plotting terrorist attacks on civilian and police targets. A sixth member of the Hagal group, now considered a fugitive, is in Ukraine and embedded with the Azov Battalion, a neo-Nazi paramilitary group that has been incorporated into the Ukrainian National Guard.

...“The high availability of weapons during the current conflict will result in the proliferation in illicit arms in the post-conflict phase,” Interpol Secretary General Juergen Stock has warned.

As The Grayzone has reported, a 2022 Department of Homeland Security document acknowledged that “Ukrainian nationalist groups including the Azov Movement are actively recruiting racially or ethnically motivated violent extremist white supremacists to join various neo-Nazi volunteer battalions in the war against Russia” but noted a key intelligence gap: “What kind of training are foreign fighters receiving in Ukraine that they could possibly proliferate in US based militia and white nationalist groups?”

https://scheerpost.com/2022/11/17/blowback-italian-police-bust-azov-tied-nazi-cell-planning-terror-attacks/

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Anonymous wrote:NATO has a sophisticated ground based radar system along the Polish-Ukrainian border. They also have AWACS and satellite monitoring. The data is fed into the NATO defense system in real time. NATO almost certainly was able to track the missile in real time and the information was available to Polish military before the Russian attaché was summoned in Warsaw.

Did Duda act precipitously? We don’t know. What we do not is that the missile strike occurred while Russia was launching up to 100 cruise missiles and other munitions at Ukrainian population centers. So one might be inclined to cut Zelenskyy and his command structure a little slack after 10 months of carnage. It’s also understandable the reasons they seek to keep Western pressure on Putin by highlighting the indiscriminate use of munitions against civilians.

The US maneuvered quickly to calm the situation. Either way, it remains clear NATO has no desire to invoke Article 5, particularly over an errant Russian missile if that is proven to be what happened. The world will know more in a few days. Meanwhile we can take some comfort in the measured diplomatic response from Biden and other NATO leaders. It is yet another indication that any future military escalation would be proportionate and non-escalatory. This comports with NATO’s initial response to the special military operation, which was to mobilize the NATO Response Force (NRF) and implement a series of collective defense and deterrence measures in accordance with Article 5.

It wasn't an errant Russian missile---that much as already been acknowledged. It was an errant Ukrainian missile; but our Ukrainian "friend" Zelensky and falsely claimed (as if he had facts to back it up) that it was a Russian missile hitting Poland. Knowing the severe risks of WW3 and nuclear holocaust that could come about as a result of a NATA clash, Zelensky's lies demonstrates a level of deceit or stupidity that is breathtaking.

Did Trump ever find the missing servers hidden in Ukraine? The ones for which he illegally sought to withhold military aid?

Just think of how much better off everyone would be had Ukraine been cut off years ago. They couldn't afford to purposely launch missiles at Poland and blame Russia.

So it would be better for us to stand aside while Russia gobbles up independent states which were once part of the USSR?

Yes. It would be better for us to stay out of foreign border wars involving thermonuclear-armed military superpowers with the capability of wiping our country off the map.

"America ... has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of ... the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.

Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and
her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. "

- John Quincy Adams, 1821

DP.

Yeah, tell that to the greatest generation ok? Guess we should have just let Germany have Europe.

One doesn't need to take the bait and get dragged into pointless historical analogies; it is enough to simply point out that Germany never possessed thermonuclear weapons capable of obliterating the United States at the push of a button.

This is 2022, not 1942.

Russia has had those weapons for quite some time and stayed out of Europe because why exactly?

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Anonymous wrote:NATO has a sophisticated ground based radar system along the Polish-Ukrainian border. They also have AWACS and satellite monitoring. The data is fed into the NATO defense system in real time. NATO almost certainly was able to track the missile in real time and the information was available to Polish military before the Russian attaché was summoned in Warsaw.

Did Duda act precipitously? We don’t know. What we do not is that the missile strike occurred while Russia was launching up to 100 cruise missiles and other munitions at Ukrainian population centers. So one might be inclined to cut Zelenskyy and his command structure a little slack after 10 months of carnage. It’s also understandable the reasons they seek to keep Western pressure on Putin by highlighting the indiscriminate use of munitions against civilians.

The US maneuvered quickly to calm the situation. Either way, it remains clear NATO has no desire to invoke Article 5, particularly over an errant Russian missile if that is proven to be what happened. The world will know more in a few days. Meanwhile we can take some comfort in the measured diplomatic response from Biden and other NATO leaders. It is yet another indication that any future military escalation would be proportionate and non-escalatory. This comports with NATO’s initial response to the special military operation, which was to mobilize the NATO Response Force (NRF) and implement a series of collective defense and deterrence measures in accordance with Article 5.

It wasn't an errant Russian missile---that much as already been acknowledged. It was an errant Ukrainian missile; but our Ukrainian "friend" Zelensky and falsely claimed (as if he had facts to back it up) that it was a Russian missile hitting Poland. Knowing the severe risks of WW3 and nuclear holocaust that could come about as a result of a NATA clash, Zelensky's lies demonstrates a level of deceit or stupidity that is breathtaking.

Did Trump ever find the missing servers hidden in Ukraine? The ones for which he illegally sought to withhold military aid?

Just think of how much better off everyone would be had Ukraine been cut off years ago. They couldn't afford to purposely launch missiles at Poland and blame Russia.

So it would be better for us to stand aside while Russia gobbles up independent states which were once part of the USSR?

Yes. It would be better for us to stay out of foreign border wars involving thermonuclear-armed military superpowers with the capability of wiping our country off the map.

"America ... has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of ... the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.

Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and
her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. "

- John Quincy Adams, 1821

DP.

Yeah, tell that to the greatest generation ok? Guess we should have just let Germany have Europe.

One doesn't need to take the bait and get dragged into pointless historical analogies; it is enough to simply point out that Germany never possessed thermonuclear weapons capable of obliterating the United States at the push of a button.

This is 2022, not 1942.

Russia has had those weapons for quite some time and stayed out of Europe because why exactly?

Russia “stayed out of Europe” since when? First, Russia is in Europe. Second, Russians were also in control of Eastern Europe — from Berlin and Budapest — for about half a century until the mid-1990s. The world did not end because Russia controlled Eastern Europe; this was not an existential threat worth risking nuclear war over.

Now, a thousand miles further east right on the border between Russia and Ukraine, we are making overwrought hysterical comparisons to “Hitler” because Russians invaded eastern Ukraine.

Europe as a whole is far less important to the United States in 2022 than it was from 1945- 1995; and Russia’s presence (even if they took all of Ukraine, for which they seem to have no appetite) it would not be an existential threat worth risking thermonuclear war over. To do so would be both terrifyingly reckless and entirely deviant from the policies that have kept us out of nuclear war for over half a century.

We need to push for peace talks—immediately, before this spirals out of control.

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Anonymous wrote:NATO has a sophisticated ground based radar system along the Polish-Ukrainian border. They also have AWACS and satellite monitoring. The data is fed into the NATO defense system in real time. NATO almost certainly was able to track the missile in real time and the information was available to Polish military before the Russian attaché was summoned in Warsaw.

Did Duda act precipitously? We don’t know. What we do not is that the missile strike occurred while Russia was launching up to 100 cruise missiles and other munitions at Ukrainian population centers. So one might be inclined to cut Zelenskyy and his command structure a little slack after 10 months of carnage. It’s also understandable the reasons they seek to keep Western pressure on Putin by highlighting the indiscriminate use of munitions against civilians.

The US maneuvered quickly to calm the situation. Either way, it remains clear NATO has no desire to invoke Article 5, particularly over an errant Russian missile if that is proven to be what happened. The world will know more in a few days. Meanwhile we can take some comfort in the measured diplomatic response from Biden and other NATO leaders. It is yet another indication that any future military escalation would be proportionate and non-escalatory. This comports with NATO’s initial response to the special military operation, which was to mobilize the NATO Response Force (NRF) and implement a series of collective defense and deterrence measures in accordance with Article 5.

It wasn't an errant Russian missile---that much as already been acknowledged. It was an errant Ukrainian missile; but our Ukrainian "friend" Zelensky and falsely claimed (as if he had facts to back it up) that it was a Russian missile hitting Poland. Knowing the severe risks of WW3 and nuclear holocaust that could come about as a result of a NATA clash, Zelensky's lies demonstrates a level of deceit or stupidity that is breathtaking.

Did Trump ever find the missing servers hidden in Ukraine? The ones for which he illegally sought to withhold military aid?

Just think of how much better off everyone would be had Ukraine been cut off years ago. They couldn't afford to purposely launch missiles at Poland and blame Russia.

So it would be better for us to stand aside while Russia gobbles up independent states which were once part of the USSR?

Yes. It would be better for us to stay out of foreign border wars involving thermonuclear-armed military superpowers with the capability of wiping our country off the map.

"America ... has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of ... the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.

Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and
her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. "

- John Quincy Adams, 1821

DP.

Yeah, tell that to the greatest generation ok? Guess we should have just let Germany have Europe.

One doesn't need to take the bait and get dragged into pointless historical analogies; it is enough to simply point out that Germany never possessed thermonuclear weapons capable of obliterating the United States at the push of a button.

This is 2022, not 1942.

Russia has had those weapons for quite some time and stayed out of Europe because why exactly?

Russia “stayed out of Europe” since when? First, Russia is in Europe. Second, Russians were also in control of Eastern Europe — from Berlin and Budapest — for about half a century until the mid-1990s. The world did not end because Russia controlled Eastern Europe; this was not an existential threat worth risking nuclear war over.

Now, a thousand miles further east right on the border between Russia and Ukraine, we are making overwrought hysterical comparisons to “Hitler” because Russians invaded eastern Ukraine.

Europe as a whole is far less important to the United States in 2022 than it was from 1945- 1995; and Russia’s presence (even if they took all of Ukraine, for which they seem to have no appetite) it would not be an existential threat worth risking thermonuclear war over. To do so would be both terrifyingly reckless and entirely deviant from the policies that have kept us out of nuclear war for over half a century.

We need to push for peace talks—immediately, before this spirals out of control.

Especially when you look at the fact that many in eastern Ukraine bristled under Kiev's policies and had a naturally pro-Russian orientation. The West was too infatuated with the story of the "Maidan Revolution" to look at its ugly underside - violence and oppression toward those who disagreed with the course Maidan has set.

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Anonymous wrote:NATO has a sophisticated ground based radar system along the Polish-Ukrainian border. They also have AWACS and satellite monitoring. The data is fed into the NATO defense system in real time. NATO almost certainly was able to track the missile in real time and the information was available to Polish military before the Russian attaché was summoned in Warsaw.

Did Duda act precipitously? We don’t know. What we do not is that the missile strike occurred while Russia was launching up to 100 cruise missiles and other munitions at Ukrainian population centers. So one might be inclined to cut Zelenskyy and his command structure a little slack after 10 months of carnage. It’s also understandable the reasons they seek to keep Western pressure on Putin by highlighting the indiscriminate use of munitions against civilians.

The US maneuvered quickly to calm the situation. Either way, it remains clear NATO has no desire to invoke Article 5, particularly over an errant Russian missile if that is proven to be what happened. The world will know more in a few days. Meanwhile we can take some comfort in the measured diplomatic response from Biden and other NATO leaders. It is yet another indication that any future military escalation would be proportionate and non-escalatory. This comports with NATO’s initial response to the special military operation, which was to mobilize the NATO Response Force (NRF) and implement a series of collective defense and deterrence measures in accordance with Article 5.

It wasn't an errant Russian missile---that much as already been acknowledged. It was an errant Ukrainian missile; but our Ukrainian "friend" Zelensky and falsely claimed (as if he had facts to back it up) that it was a Russian missile hitting Poland. Knowing the severe risks of WW3 and nuclear holocaust that could come about as a result of a NATA clash, Zelensky's lies demonstrates a level of deceit or stupidity that is breathtaking.

Did Trump ever find the missing servers hidden in Ukraine? The ones for which he illegally sought to withhold military aid?

Just think of how much better off everyone would be had Ukraine been cut off years ago. They couldn't afford to purposely launch missiles at Poland and blame Russia.

So it would be better for us to stand aside while Russia gobbles up independent states which were once part of the USSR?

Yes. It would be better for us to stay out of foreign border wars involving thermonuclear-armed military superpowers with the capability of wiping our country off the map.

"America ... has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of ... the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.

Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and
her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. "

- John Quincy Adams, 1821

DP.

Yeah, tell that to the greatest generation ok? Guess we should have just let Germany have Europe.

One doesn't need to take the bait and get dragged into pointless historical analogies; it is enough to simply point out that Germany never possessed thermonuclear weapons capable of obliterating the United States at the push of a button.

This is 2022, not 1942.

Russia has had those weapons for quite some time and stayed out of Europe because why exactly?

Russia “stayed out of Europe” since when? First, Russia is in Europe. Second, Russians were also in control of Eastern Europe — from Berlin and Budapest — for about half a century until the mid-1990s. The world did not end because Russia controlled Eastern Europe; this was not an existential threat worth risking nuclear war over.

Now, a thousand miles further east right on the border between Russia and Ukraine, we are making overwrought hysterical comparisons to “Hitler” because Russians invaded eastern Ukraine.

Europe as a whole is far less important to the United States in 2022 than it was from 1945- 1995; and Russia’s presence (even if they took all of Ukraine, for which they seem to have no appetite) it would not be an existential threat worth risking thermonuclear war over. To do so would be both terrifyingly reckless and entirely deviant from the policies that have kept us out of nuclear war for over half a century.

We need to push for peace talks—immediately, before this spirals out of control.

What?

The Cold War was widely considered an existential threat and nuclear war was risked multiple times.

Russia did not invade Eastern Ukraine. They invaded the entire country but got their butts kicked everywhere else.

We don't need to do anything. Russia can end this war whenever they want. All they have to do is go back home, preferably without stealing anymore toilets.

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Anonymous wrote:NATO has a sophisticated ground based radar system along the Polish-Ukrainian border. They also have AWACS and satellite monitoring. The data is fed into the NATO defense system in real time. NATO almost certainly was able to track the missile in real time and the information was available to Polish military before the Russian attaché was summoned in Warsaw.

Did Duda act precipitously? We don’t know. What we do not is that the missile strike occurred while Russia was launching up to 100 cruise missiles and other munitions at Ukrainian population centers. So one might be inclined to cut Zelenskyy and his command structure a little slack after 10 months of carnage. It’s also understandable the reasons they seek to keep Western pressure on Putin by highlighting the indiscriminate use of munitions against civilians.

The US maneuvered quickly to calm the situation. Either way, it remains clear NATO has no desire to invoke Article 5, particularly over an errant Russian missile if that is proven to be what happened. The world will know more in a few days. Meanwhile we can take some comfort in the measured diplomatic response from Biden and other NATO leaders. It is yet another indication that any future military escalation would be proportionate and non-escalatory. This comports with NATO’s initial response to the special military operation, which was to mobilize the NATO Response Force (NRF) and implement a series of collective defense and deterrence measures in accordance with Article 5.

It wasn't an errant Russian missile---that much as already been acknowledged. It was an errant Ukrainian missile; but our Ukrainian "friend" Zelensky and falsely claimed (as if he had facts to back it up) that it was a Russian missile hitting Poland. Knowing the severe risks of WW3 and nuclear holocaust that could come about as a result of a NATA clash, Zelensky's lies demonstrates a level of deceit or stupidity that is breathtaking.

Did Trump ever find the missing servers hidden in Ukraine? The ones for which he illegally sought to withhold military aid?

Just think of how much better off everyone would be had Ukraine been cut off years ago. They couldn't afford to purposely launch missiles at Poland and blame Russia.

So it would be better for us to stand aside while Russia gobbles up independent states which were once part of the USSR?

Yes. It would be better for us to stay out of foreign border wars involving thermonuclear-armed military superpowers with the capability of wiping our country off the map.

"America ... has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of ... the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.

Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and
her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. "

- John Quincy Adams, 1821

DP.

Yeah, tell that to the greatest generation ok? Guess we should have just let Germany have Europe.

One doesn't need to take the bait and get dragged into pointless historical analogies; it is enough to simply point out that Germany never possessed thermonuclear weapons capable of obliterating the United States at the push of a button.

This is 2022, not 1942.

Russia has had those weapons for quite some time and stayed out of Europe because why exactly?

Russia “stayed out of Europe” since when? First, Russia is in Europe. Second, Russians were also in control of Eastern Europe — from Berlin and Budapest — for about half a century until the mid-1990s. The world did not end because Russia controlled Eastern Europe; this was not an existential threat worth risking nuclear war over.

Now, a thousand miles further east right on the border between Russia and Ukraine, we are making overwrought hysterical comparisons to “Hitler” because Russians invaded eastern Ukraine.

Europe as a whole is far less important to the United States in 2022 than it was from 1945- 1995; and Russia’s presence (even if they took all of Ukraine, for which they seem to have no appetite) it would not be an existential threat worth risking thermonuclear war over. To do so would be both terrifyingly reckless and entirely deviant from the policies that have kept us out of nuclear war for over half a century.

We need to push for peace talks—immediately, before this spirals out of control.

No peace talks until Russia has left (or really, been kicked out).

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Anonymous wrote:NATO has a sophisticated ground based radar system along the Polish-Ukrainian border. They also have AWACS and satellite monitoring. The data is fed into the NATO defense system in real time. NATO almost certainly was able to track the missile in real time and the information was available to Polish military before the Russian attaché was summoned in Warsaw.

Did Duda act precipitously? We don’t know. What we do not is that the missile strike occurred while Russia was launching up to 100 cruise missiles and other munitions at Ukrainian population centers. So one might be inclined to cut Zelenskyy and his command structure a little slack after 10 months of carnage. It’s also understandable the reasons they seek to keep Western pressure on Putin by highlighting the indiscriminate use of munitions against civilians.

The US maneuvered quickly to calm the situation. Either way, it remains clear NATO has no desire to invoke Article 5, particularly over an errant Russian missile if that is proven to be what happened. The world will know more in a few days. Meanwhile we can take some comfort in the measured diplomatic response from Biden and other NATO leaders. It is yet another indication that any future military escalation would be proportionate and non-escalatory. This comports with NATO’s initial response to the special military operation, which was to mobilize the NATO Response Force (NRF) and implement a series of collective defense and deterrence measures in accordance with Article 5.

It wasn't an errant Russian missile---that much as already been acknowledged. It was an errant Ukrainian missile; but our Ukrainian "friend" Zelensky and falsely claimed (as if he had facts to back it up) that it was a Russian missile hitting Poland. Knowing the severe risks of WW3 and nuclear holocaust that could come about as a result of a NATA clash, Zelensky's lies demonstrates a level of deceit or stupidity that is breathtaking.

Did Trump ever find the missing servers hidden in Ukraine? The ones for which he illegally sought to withhold military aid?

Just think of how much better off everyone would be had Ukraine been cut off years ago. They couldn't afford to purposely launch missiles at Poland and blame Russia.

So it would be better for us to stand aside while Russia gobbles up independent states which were once part of the USSR?

Yes. It would be better for us to stay out of foreign border wars involving thermonuclear-armed military superpowers with the capability of wiping our country off the map.

"America ... has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of ... the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.

Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and
her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. "

- John Quincy Adams, 1821

DP.

Yeah, tell that to the greatest generation ok? Guess we should have just let Germany have Europe.

One doesn't need to take the bait and get dragged into pointless historical analogies; it is enough to simply point out that Germany never possessed thermonuclear weapons capable of obliterating the United States at the push of a button.

This is 2022, not 1942.

Russia has had those weapons for quite some time and stayed out of Europe because why exactly?

Russia “stayed out of Europe” since when? First, Russia is in Europe. Second, Russians were also in control of Eastern Europe — from Berlin and Budapest — for about half a century until the mid-1990s. The world did not end because Russia controlled Eastern Europe; this was not an existential threat worth risking nuclear war over.

Now, a thousand miles further east right on the border between Russia and Ukraine, we are making overwrought hysterical comparisons to “Hitler” because Russians invaded eastern Ukraine.

Europe as a whole is far less important to the United States in 2022 than it was from 1945- 1995; and Russia’s presence (even if they took all of Ukraine, for which they seem to have no appetite) it would not be an existential threat worth risking thermonuclear war over. To do so would be both terrifyingly reckless and entirely deviant from the policies that have kept us out of nuclear war for over half a century.

We need to push for peace talks—immediately, before this spirals out of control.

No peace talks until Russia has left (or really, been kicked out).

Give war a chance! Let's fight 'till the last Ukrainian!