ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership

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Anonymous wrote:McLean parent already have ML in their pocket so that's why they are so pissed off, and why SYC families are so willing to leave. MV has never demonstrated that he cares what any parent thinks. This is every overinvolved soccer parents worst fear but may lead to better results. Give the Dutch guy a shot

Better results than what? Winning the top bracket of Jeff cup? Finishing in 2nd place in conference play with just 1 loss? And no, no one has ML in their pocket. He's a tough but fair coach. He has a great reputation and every parent I know whose daughter played for him has nothing but good things to say, whether they played for him in Herndon, DMV FC, or McLean. Stop trying to create a false narrative. The "Dutch guy" doesn't have a good record and Brave families will tell you they are disappointed he's on the coaching slate.

Nice try, but not true. Most Brave players and families have embraced these upcoming changes only because MV is involved.

Not a false narrative this is the truth. Call me what you will, but I've been spot on for all this since page 1 of this thread. MV is well regarded, respected, and appreciated by Brave families. Notice I didn't say liked. They will certainly follow him to Union, IF they are able to make the team. He's not sentimental so he will put best team together from who shows up to tyouts and IDs. The fact that 7 Brave offers were made at 2010s speaks volumes to not his favoritism to Brave players, but the reality that half of the current Union team is not coming back, thats on ML and MYS parents specifically. If the team that just won Jeff Cup was bringing everyone back and just reloading with 2-3 best players at Brave, and 2-3 other solid players in NoVa making moves then sure my narrative is wrong. The truth is the team will be different, and ML had to bend and invite 7 Brave players. We all know only 2-3 should have been added, but when you lose talent you got be creative so more offers had to be made to the inferior group of players.

Only 1-2 are leaving to SYC, rumors about Arlington, VDA and NVA are unfounded. Some players may have been seen at other ID's due to the circumstances at hand but all will stay if offers are extended. Perhaps this is MYS's way of punishment for wandering outside MYS during ID season. The fact that Brave has 7 is crazy and that MYS did not lock down 95% of the Union girls after the first ID session is just baffling when they are #2 in the MA with 1 loss, Jeff Cup top bracket champions, ECNL playoff bound and a top 15 team in the nation. Someone explain that to me.

Where is it confirmed the number of offers given and accepted and to whom?
This is all just trouble-stirring otherwise.

It is absolutely the case that offers are going out to the other clubs over MYS across age groups. It’s a total fialure of leadership on MYS’ part and isn’t necessarily talent driven. The club wants to blame ECNL, but they are doing NOTHING to support their girls or help their cause in allowing this to happen. Where is the famous CW in all of this? Getting run over by MV? This does not signal strength or equal partnership at all.

If MV had done an excellent job with Brave, they would not be in this mess with McLean.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, I love that this thread is threatening to get to 200 pages. Just glorious.

Second, what do you mean when you say “parents have XX coach in their pocket”? If all the McLean parents have this coach in pocket, then do all their kids get minutes? But if that’s the case, then do any of them really have a difference in influence? Are they paying him under the table? Like, passion g over envelopes of cash? Because I have never seen anything like that. I have most definitely seen coaches who have favorites, including playing kids who are struggling far longer than they should, instead of giving other kids a chance. But in most cases, you could kind of see some reason why (kid was tall/fast/good attitude/gritty).

The usual way parents pay coaches is via privates.

The usual way parents pay clubs is via camps.

This is all on top of regular club fees.

It is soccer. There is no conflict of interest. Where does it state that the coach can't do private training?
Club camps are open to everyone it is not inclusive. You have the option to enroll or not enroll. You are mad because you didn't

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Anonymous wrote:McLean parent already have ML in their pocket so that's why they are so pissed off, and why SYC families are so willing to leave. MV has never demonstrated that he cares what any parent thinks. This is every overinvolved soccer parents worst fear but may lead to better results. Give the Dutch guy a shot

Better results than what? Winning the top bracket of Jeff cup? Finishing in 2nd place in conference play with just 1 loss? And no, no one has ML in their pocket. He's a tough but fair coach. He has a great reputation and every parent I know whose daughter played for him has nothing but good things to say, whether they played for him in Herndon, DMV FC, or McLean. Stop trying to create a false narrative. The "Dutch guy" doesn't have a good record and Brave families will tell you they are disappointed he's on the coaching slate.

Nice try, but not true. Most Brave players and families have embraced these upcoming changes only because MV is involved.

Not a false narrative this is the truth. Call me what you will, but I've been spot on for all this since page 1 of this thread. MV is well regarded, respected, and appreciated by Brave families. Notice I didn't say liked. They will certainly follow him to Union, IF they are able to make the team. He's not sentimental so he will put best team together from who shows up to tyouts and IDs. The fact that 7 Brave offers were made at 2010s speaks volumes to not his favoritism to Brave players, but the reality that half of the current Union team is not coming back, thats on ML and MYS parents specifically. If the team that just won Jeff Cup was bringing everyone back and just reloading with 2-3 best players at Brave, and 2-3 other solid players in NoVa making moves then sure my narrative is wrong. The truth is the team will be different, and ML had to bend and invite 7 Brave players. We all know only 2-3 should have been added, but when you lose talent you got be creative so more offers had to be made to the inferior group of players.

Only 1-2 are leaving to SYC, rumors about Arlington, VDA and NVA are unfounded. Some players may have been seen at other ID's due to the circumstances at hand but all will stay if offers are extended. Perhaps this is MYS's way of punishment for wandering outside MYS during ID season. The fact that Brave has 7 is crazy and that MYS did not lock down 95% of the Union girls after the first ID session is just baffling when they are #2 in the MA with 1 loss, Jeff Cup top bracket champions, ECNL playoff bound and a top 15 team in the nation. Someone explain that to me.

Where is it confirmed the number of offers given and accepted and to whom?
This is all just trouble-stirring otherwise.

It is absolutely the case that offers are going out to the other clubs over MYS across age groups. It’s a total fialure of leadership on MYS’ part and isn’t necessarily talent driven. The club wants to blame ECNL, but they are doing NOTHING to support their girls or help their cause in allowing this to happen. Where is the famous CW in all of this? Getting run over by MV? This does not signal strength or equal partnership at all.

If MV had done an excellent job with Brave, they would not be in this mess with McLean.

So Mclean has all the excellent coaches and decades of owning the market, why are they in this mess?

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Anonymous wrote:McLean parent already have ML in their pocket so that's why they are so pissed off, and why SYC families are so willing to leave. MV has never demonstrated that he cares what any parent thinks. This is every overinvolved soccer parents worst fear but may lead to better results. Give the Dutch guy a shot

Better results than what? Winning the top bracket of Jeff cup? Finishing in 2nd place in conference play with just 1 loss? And no, no one has ML in their pocket. He's a tough but fair coach. He has a great reputation and every parent I know whose daughter played for him has nothing but good things to say, whether they played for him in Herndon, DMV FC, or McLean. Stop trying to create a false narrative. The "Dutch guy" doesn't have a good record and Brave families will tell you they are disappointed he's on the coaching slate.

Nice try, but not true. Most Brave players and families have embraced these upcoming changes only because MV is involved.

Not a false narrative this is the truth. Call me what you will, but I've been spot on for all this since page 1 of this thread. MV is well regarded, respected, and appreciated by Brave families. Notice I didn't say liked. They will certainly follow him to Union, IF they are able to make the team. He's not sentimental so he will put best team together from who shows up to tyouts and IDs. The fact that 7 Brave offers were made at 2010s speaks volumes to not his favoritism to Brave players, but the reality that half of the current Union team is not coming back, thats on ML and MYS parents specifically. If the team that just won Jeff Cup was bringing everyone back and just reloading with 2-3 best players at Brave, and 2-3 other solid players in NoVa making moves then sure my narrative is wrong. The truth is the team will be different, and ML had to bend and invite 7 Brave players. We all know only 2-3 should have been added, but when you lose talent you got be creative so more offers had to be made to the inferior group of players.

MV is in over his head regardless of what VYS parents who never had ECNL aspirations before believe. The reality is the BRAVE families lucked out that they will inherit McLean experience and connections because MV has zero pull with college coaches.

MV puts 4 players in college. LOL

Wrong, he has 17 girls...

Class of 2023 - 6 girls committed
Class of 2024 - 9 girls committed
Class of 2025 - 2 girls committed

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, I love that this thread is threatening to get to 200 pages. Just glorious.

Second, what do you mean when you say “parents have XX coach in their pocket”? If all the McLean parents have this coach in pocket, then do all their kids get minutes? But if that’s the case, then do any of them really have a difference in influence? Are they paying him under the table? Like, passion g over envelopes of cash? Because I have never seen anything like that. I have most definitely seen coaches who have favorites, including playing kids who are struggling far longer than they should, instead of giving other kids a chance. But in most cases, you could kind of see some reason why (kid was tall/fast/good attitude/gritty).

The usual way parents pay coaches is via privates.

The usual way parents pay clubs is via camps.

This is all on top of regular club fees.

It is soccer. There is no conflict of interest. Where does it state that the coach can't do private training?
Club camps are open to everyone it is not inclusive. You have the option to enroll or not enroll. You are mad because you didn't

Also, VA Union coaches don't do privates. CW has worked with players on the side but without pay; it was just to help them. ML, NM, BL are way too busy outside the club to do privates.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean parent already have ML in their pocket so that's why they are so pissed off, and why SYC families are so willing to leave. MV has never demonstrated that he cares what any parent thinks. This is every overinvolved soccer parents worst fear but may lead to better results. Give the Dutch guy a shot

Better results than what? Winning the top bracket of Jeff cup? Finishing in 2nd place in conference play with just 1 loss? And no, no one has ML in their pocket. He's a tough but fair coach. He has a great reputation and every parent I know whose daughter played for him has nothing but good things to say, whether they played for him in Herndon, DMV FC, or McLean. Stop trying to create a false narrative. The "Dutch guy" doesn't have a good record and Brave families will tell you they are disappointed he's on the coaching slate.

Nice try, but not true. Most Brave players and families have embraced these upcoming changes only because MV is involved.

Not a false narrative this is the truth. Call me what you will, but I've been spot on for all this since page 1 of this thread. MV is well regarded, respected, and appreciated by Brave families. Notice I didn't say liked. They will certainly follow him to Union, IF they are able to make the team. He's not sentimental so he will put best team together from who shows up to tyouts and IDs. The fact that 7 Brave offers were made at 2010s speaks volumes to not his favoritism to Brave players, but the reality that half of the current Union team is not coming back, thats on ML and MYS parents specifically. If the team that just won Jeff Cup was bringing everyone back and just reloading with 2-3 best players at Brave, and 2-3 other solid players in NoVa making moves then sure my narrative is wrong. The truth is the team will be different, and ML had to bend and invite 7 Brave players. We all know only 2-3 should have been added, but when you lose talent you got be creative so more offers had to be made to the inferior group of players.

Only 1-2 are leaving to SYC, rumors about Arlington, VDA and NVA are unfounded. Some players may have been seen at other ID's due to the circumstances at hand but all will stay if offers are extended. Perhaps this is MYS's way of punishment for wandering outside MYS during ID season. The fact that Brave has 7 is crazy and that MYS did not lock down 95% of the Union girls after the first ID session is just baffling when they are #2 in the MA with 1 loss, Jeff Cup top bracket champions, ECNL playoff bound and a top 15 team in the nation. Someone explain that to me.

Where is it confirmed the number of offers given and accepted and to whom?
This is all just trouble-stirring otherwise.

It is absolutely the case that offers are going out to the other clubs over MYS across age groups. It’s a total fialure of leadership on MYS’ part and isn’t necessarily talent driven. The club wants to blame ECNL, but they are doing NOTHING to support their girls or help their cause in allowing this to happen. Where is the famous CW in all of this? Getting run over by MV? This does not signal strength or equal partnership at all.

If MV had done an excellent job with Brave, they would not be in this mess with McLean.

So Mclean has all the excellent coaches and decades of owning the market, why are they in this mess?

The boys side are terrible.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean parent already have ML in their pocket so that's why they are so pissed off, and why SYC families are so willing to leave. MV has never demonstrated that he cares what any parent thinks. This is every overinvolved soccer parents worst fear but may lead to better results. Give the Dutch guy a shot

Better results than what? Winning the top bracket of Jeff cup? Finishing in 2nd place in conference play with just 1 loss? And no, no one has ML in their pocket. He's a tough but fair coach. He has a great reputation and every parent I know whose daughter played for him has nothing but good things to say, whether they played for him in Herndon, DMV FC, or McLean. Stop trying to create a false narrative. The "Dutch guy" doesn't have a good record and Brave families will tell you they are disappointed he's on the coaching slate.

Nice try, but not true. Most Brave players and families have embraced these upcoming changes only because MV is involved.

Not a false narrative this is the truth. Call me what you will, but I've been spot on for all this since page 1 of this thread. MV is well regarded, respected, and appreciated by Brave families. Notice I didn't say liked. They will certainly follow him to Union, IF they are able to make the team. He's not sentimental so he will put best team together from who shows up to tyouts and IDs. The fact that 7 Brave offers were made at 2010s speaks volumes to not his favoritism to Brave players, but the reality that half of the current Union team is not coming back, thats on ML and MYS parents specifically. If the team that just won Jeff Cup was bringing everyone back and just reloading with 2-3 best players at Brave, and 2-3 other solid players in NoVa making moves then sure my narrative is wrong. The truth is the team will be different, and ML had to bend and invite 7 Brave players. We all know only 2-3 should have been added, but when you lose talent you got be creative so more offers had to be made to the inferior group of players.

MV is in over his head regardless of what VYS parents who never had ECNL aspirations before believe. The reality is the BRAVE families lucked out that they will inherit McLean experience and connections because MV has zero pull with college coaches.

MV puts 4 players in college. LOL

Wrong, he has 17 girls...

Class of 2023 - 6 girls committed
Class of 2024 - 9 girls committed
Class of 2025 - 2 girls committed

I think McLean has about that much committed for the class of 2024

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Anonymous wrote:McLean parent already have ML in their pocket so that's why they are so pissed off, and why SYC families are so willing to leave. MV has never demonstrated that he cares what any parent thinks. This is every overinvolved soccer parents worst fear but may lead to better results. Give the Dutch guy a shot

Better results than what? Winning the top bracket of Jeff cup? Finishing in 2nd place in conference play with just 1 loss? And no, no one has ML in their pocket. He's a tough but fair coach. He has a great reputation and every parent I know whose daughter played for him has nothing but good things to say, whether they played for him in Herndon, DMV FC, or McLean. Stop trying to create a false narrative. The "Dutch guy" doesn't have a good record and Brave families will tell you they are disappointed he's on the coaching slate.

Nice try, but not true. Most Brave players and families have embraced these upcoming changes only because MV is involved.

Not a false narrative this is the truth. Call me what you will, but I've been spot on for all this since page 1 of this thread. MV is well regarded, respected, and appreciated by Brave families. Notice I didn't say liked. They will certainly follow him to Union, IF they are able to make the team. He's not sentimental so he will put best team together from who shows up to tyouts and IDs. The fact that 7 Brave offers were made at 2010s speaks volumes to not his favoritism to Brave players, but the reality that half of the current Union team is not coming back, thats on ML and MYS parents specifically. If the team that just won Jeff Cup was bringing everyone back and just reloading with 2-3 best players at Brave, and 2-3 other solid players in NoVa making moves then sure my narrative is wrong. The truth is the team will be different, and ML had to bend and invite 7 Brave players. We all know only 2-3 should have been added, but when you lose talent you got be creative so more offers had to be made to the inferior group of players.

Only 1-2 are leaving to SYC, rumors about Arlington, VDA and NVA are unfounded. Some players may have been seen at other ID's due to the circumstances at hand but all will stay if offers are extended. Perhaps this is MYS's way of punishment for wandering outside MYS during ID season. The fact that Brave has 7 is crazy and that MYS did not lock down 95% of the Union girls after the first ID session is just baffling when they are #2 in the MA with 1 loss, Jeff Cup top bracket champions, ECNL playoff bound and a top 15 team in the nation. Someone explain that to me.

Where is it confirmed the number of offers given and accepted and to whom?
This is all just trouble-stirring otherwise.

It is absolutely the case that offers are going out to the other clubs over MYS across age groups. It’s a total fialure of leadership on MYS’ part and isn’t necessarily talent driven. The club wants to blame ECNL, but they are doing NOTHING to support their girls or help their cause in allowing this to happen. Where is the famous CW in all of this? Getting run over by MV? This does not signal strength or equal partnership at all.

If MV had done an excellent job with Brave, they would not be in this mess with McLean.

Brave is what 2 years old, what are you talking about? And before that he was VYS. If he was BRYC than sure maybe you have an argument cause they were a mess, and probably still are. And dirty laundry is out already both MYS abd Brave were failing, NEXT!

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Anonymous wrote:What is this I am hearing about a FXU coach who has a son and his friends on the team and didn't need to try out? Total conflict of interest right? This new Union is a joke.

'06?

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Anonymous wrote:McLean parent already have ML in their pocket so that's why they are so pissed off, and why SYC families are so willing to leave. MV has never demonstrated that he cares what any parent thinks. This is every overinvolved soccer parents worst fear but may lead to better results. Give the Dutch guy a shot

Better results than what? Winning the top bracket of Jeff cup? Finishing in 2nd place in conference play with just 1 loss? And no, no one has ML in their pocket. He's a tough but fair coach. He has a great reputation and every parent I know whose daughter played for him has nothing but good things to say, whether they played for him in Herndon, DMV FC, or McLean. Stop trying to create a false narrative. The "Dutch guy" doesn't have a good record and Brave families will tell you they are disappointed he's on the coaching slate.

Nice try, but not true. Most Brave players and families have embraced these upcoming changes only because MV is involved.

Not a false narrative this is the truth. Call me what you will, but I've been spot on for all this since page 1 of this thread. MV is well regarded, respected, and appreciated by Brave families. Notice I didn't say liked. They will certainly follow him to Union, IF they are able to make the team. He's not sentimental so he will put best team together from who shows up to tyouts and IDs. The fact that 7 Brave offers were made at 2010s speaks volumes to not his favoritism to Brave players, but the reality that half of the current Union team is not coming back, thats on ML and MYS parents specifically. If the team that just won Jeff Cup was bringing everyone back and just reloading with 2-3 best players at Brave, and 2-3 other solid players in NoVa making moves then sure my narrative is wrong. The truth is the team will be different, and ML had to bend and invite 7 Brave players. We all know only 2-3 should have been added, but when you lose talent you got be creative so more offers had to be made to the inferior group of players.

MV is not the 2010 FVU coach. Offers to any Brave players would be by the MYS Union coach. He must know talent and clearly has a different (correct) perspective about these Brave players.
Also, it is not true that half the Union players are leaving. The key players are not leaving and will be part of FVU.

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How do we know how many FVU boy offers have truly been given? Are the coaches posting these numbers. Are parents/boys "counting"?

This is a serious question.

Boys tryouts are only halfway done. I would imagine more offers will be going out soon. The "imbalance" that people are worried about may balance out in the end. At least one would hope.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean parent already have ML in their pocket so that's why they are so pissed off, and why SYC families are so willing to leave. MV has never demonstrated that he cares what any parent thinks. This is every overinvolved soccer parents worst fear but may lead to better results. Give the Dutch guy a shot

Better results than what? Winning the top bracket of Jeff cup? Finishing in 2nd place in conference play with just 1 loss? And no, no one has ML in their pocket. He's a tough but fair coach. He has a great reputation and every parent I know whose daughter played for him has nothing but good things to say, whether they played for him in Herndon, DMV FC, or McLean. Stop trying to create a false narrative. The "Dutch guy" doesn't have a good record and Brave families will tell you they are disappointed he's on the coaching slate.

Nice try, but not true. Most Brave players and families have embraced these upcoming changes only because MV is involved.

Not a false narrative this is the truth. Call me what you will, but I've been spot on for all this since page 1 of this thread. MV is well regarded, respected, and appreciated by Brave families. Notice I didn't say liked. They will certainly follow him to Union, IF they are able to make the team. He's not sentimental so he will put best team together from who shows up to tyouts and IDs. The fact that 7 Brave offers were made at 2010s speaks volumes to not his favoritism to Brave players, but the reality that half of the current Union team is not coming back, thats on ML and MYS parents specifically. If the team that just won Jeff Cup was bringing everyone back and just reloading with 2-3 best players at Brave, and 2-3 other solid players in NoVa making moves then sure my narrative is wrong. The truth is the team will be different, and ML had to bend and invite 7 Brave players. We all know only 2-3 should have been added, but when you lose talent you got be creative so more offers had to be made to the inferior group of players.

MV is not the 2010 FVU coach. Offers to any Brave players would be by the MYS Union coach. He must know talent and clearly has a different (correct) perspective about these Brave players.
Also, it is not true that half the Union players are leaving. The key players are not leaving and will be part of FVU.

Without naming names, which please don't do that these are children, 'the key players' are opinons. All I stated is that half the team is leaving, within that group there are "key players", I did not say all the key players are leaving and FVU will be trash. Contrary, they will be good maybe as good as this current team, but they are not going to go to nationals and compete now because of this partnership. Its just reshuffling the decks and you will be surprised about who you think is staying in your "key player' group, that is all.

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Anonymous wrote:They have scouts show up in Union's practices for the older groups.

My oldest had scouts in his MLSNext at practices and scrimmages held specifically for scouts to come watch.

Messi showed up at my kid's practice today and was so impressed he asked for pointers from my kid.

I think he/she meant Boy Scouts. A local Boy Scouts o America troop attended ready to perform first aid if needed.

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Anonymous wrote:How do we know how many FVU boy offers have truly been given? Are the coaches posting these numbers. Are parents/boys "counting"?

This is a serious question.

Boys tryouts are only halfway done. I would imagine more offers will be going out soon. The "imbalance" that people are worried about may balance out in the end. At least one would hope.

Honestly we don’t. My son did get an offer and the offer said not to talk about it and we’re not. It won’t help politics, friendships or anything else. Kids talk but honestly he only knows one other kid who has mentioned it and he goes to school with kids and is on the Snap and text thread.
So I have no idea if 2 kids or 22 have been given offers. He is going to the last two tryouts and we’re all hoping the best team comes out of this, no matter where they come from.
All this talk that all offers are given and how many from each side is just people looking to cause mayhem.
I’ve never been in a situation where offers get talked about that openly by parents or kids once they are old enough to have a little bit of empathy.
It feels very different than what is portrayed here.

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Amen.

Everyone is anxious. FWIW, my son got an offer. We have NOT disclosed this to anyone. The numbers of offers we hear about are inaccurate by one.

It's just not worth disclosing any information. So many hurt parents, boys.