Kate's New Picture

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Anonymous wrote:I am having a hard time with the TMZ photo. It doesn't look like Kate to me. It looks like either a wax statue of Kate, or maybe Pippa wearing a lot of makeup? It just does not look like her to me.

That was 100% Pippa!

If it was Pippa, why would Kensington Palace issue a gag order on the photo for UK media though? Why not instead leak that actually that's Pippa, thus discrediting the photo altogether? Issuing the gag order made it seem like it was Kate even though I don't think it looks like her.

Pippa is known for updos. I think it’s Pippa. Kate would have her hair down to hide her face from paps. I don’t think I’ve been seen Kate in updos at all

KP isn’t making the wisest decisions lately . I think they are all just following Wills barking orders trying to be dutiful and ignore their better instincts.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m all in on the eating disorder theory. It all came to a head at Christmas after she spent so much time in spotlight with her new role. I’m sure there are likely other stressors that impacted it as well but something clearly happened at Christmas and it was the tipping point. She is probably going to need a long time to come to terms with her new body, being in public and photographed. That’s why she isn’t out in public for pictures because it’ll set her back.

How does the ED theory square with KP treating her so poorly? Like giving her the blame for the photo, not visiting her, etc.?

They’re trying to kill her to put Rose in her place. Duhhhh.

I can't imagine they would actually want to put in Rose. That would take decades to recover from. Kate is a huge asset. Kate either can't or won't give them the proof of life they need, and they are botching the job of covering for that.

The most points I see for this is if Wills claims she's the love his life and like father/like son, Charles doesn't want to make Will wait a lifetime to be with her - like he had to wait for Camilla. Or Kate's putting her foot down at a time the BRF is vulnerable and forcing Will to give up Rose entirely or Kate will leave.

History repeating itself.

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Anonymous wrote:I must say Kate has nice thick hair for an anorexic.

She wears a wig. It's been documented.

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ED seems most plausible to me. She was extremely thin, even for her, in the white outfit at the carol service.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m all in on the eating disorder theory. It all came to a head at Christmas after she spent so much time in spotlight with her new role. I’m sure there are likely other stressors that impacted it as well but something clearly happened at Christmas and it was the tipping point. She is probably going to need a long time to come to terms with her new body, being in public and photographed. That’s why she isn’t out in public for pictures because it’ll set her back.

How does the ED theory square with KP treating her so poorly? Like giving her the blame for the photo, not visiting her, etc.?

They’re trying to kill her to put Rose in her place. Duhhhh.

I can't imagine they would actually want to put in Rose. That would take decades to recover from. Kate is a huge asset. Kate either can't or won't give them the proof of life they need, and they are botching the job of covering for that.

But people here claim they killed Diana. Let’s just go with that logic.

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Anonymous wrote:I am having a hard time with the TMZ photo. It doesn't look like Kate to me. It looks like either a wax statue of Kate, or maybe Pippa wearing a lot of makeup? It just does not look like her to me.

That was 100% Pippa!

If it was Pippa, why would Kensington Palace issue a gag order on the photo for UK media though? Why not instead leak that actually that's Pippa, thus discrediting the photo altogether? Issuing the gag order made it seem like it was Kate even though I don't think it looks like her.

Pippa is known for updos. I think it’s Pippa. Kate would have her hair down to hide her face from paps. I don’t think I’ve been seen Kate in updos at all

KP isn’t making the wisest decisions lately . I think they are all just following Wills barking orders trying to be dutiful and ignore their better instincts.

You're saying the KP pic with William going to Commonwealth Day in the Range Rover was Pippa?
What about the TMZ pic with Carole - that's the one I think is Pippa.

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Anonymous wrote:January 20, 2024- The Sunday Times reports that Kensington Palace aides did not notify Kate’s 30 charities and patronages “to confirm postponing and rescheduling engagements” until one week before her surgery. The paper notes that Kate will be “work[ing] from bed” and “aides insist her work will not stall.”
(This claim about working in bed will be brought up later as conspiracy theories start to flourish. During the pandemic, Kate regularly held Zoom calls with these institutions, and screenshots of these meetings were released to the press. Questions will be raised about why any images of Kate or updates/anecdotes from employees of the institutions haven’t leaked, if she’s been working while she recovers.)

January 24, 2024- People magazine’s royal reporter writes that Kate’s hospitalization was unexpected. “The carefully guarded news about Kate’s situation came as a surprise even to those who work closely with the royal family, PEOPLE understands.” (This is later also reported by Page Six.) These details are seen as more indications that Kate’s health situation was more dire than has been reported.

January 24, 2024- U.K. tabloid the Mirror publishes a story titled “Kate ‘your best friend one minute and worst enemy the next’, expert claims.” The Mirror sources the story from what it describes as “a recent article for the Daily Mail” written by royal reporter Robert Jobson — but links to a post from 2022. The story alleges that William and Kate have “quite extreme mood swings” and claims that the two “give as good as they get” in fights with each other. Within hours, however, the story is updated and Kate’s name is replaced with Harry’s. The title of the story now live on the Mirror’s website is “Prince Harry ‘your best friend one minute and worst enemy the next,’ expert claims.” The Mirror adds an editorial note to the bottom of the post reading, “A previous version of this story erroneously referred to Kate, Princess of Wales, instead of Prince Harry” and removes the link to the 2022 Daily Mail story — the link now redirects to the Daily Mail’s homepage.
This is just weird. It’s being seized upon by conspiracy theorists as an apparent example of the royal press offices directing a media outlet to change a story, or a media outlet trying to write a story about a possible conflict in the Waleses’ marriage. In all likelihood this was someone looking to make a story quota who messed up.

January 25, 2024- The Sun reports that William has visited Kate in the hospital every day, but says her children have not visited (children are not allowed in the London Clinic, per hospital policy; multiple outlets later report that William and Kate did not want to disrupt their children’s schedules and used FaceTime to stay in touch). (While royal children of the previous generation visited relatives when they were in hospitals, this is the first time we’ve known about either William and Kate needing inpatient treatment. There’s no precedent — there’s a big difference between the children visiting their mother and new sibling at a hospital and children visiting their mother after major surgery.)

January 26, 2024- The King is admitted to the London Clinic for his prostate treatment and members of the press are apparently once again allowed to gather outside the London Clinic. The Queen is photographed leaving the hospital in the afternoon, after apparently arriving with the King for his treatment (the arrival was not photographed) earlier that day. People magazine reports that the King has visited Kate. The Queen is photographed once again visiting the King in the hospital that evening.

January 27, 2024- The Queen is photographed arriving at and leaving the hospital.

January 28, 2024- The Queen is once again photographed visiting her husband at the London Clinic. Note: Whether purposeful or not, the Queen’s public arrivals and departures at the hospital make an obvious contrast to William’s apparent absence.

January 28, 2024- Spanish journalist Concha Calleja doubles down on her report that Kate is in medical distress and claims that the princess is in a medically induced coma. Prominent Spanish media outlets begin to report her claims. Note: Although this story has been bubbling under the surface of the discourse about Kate’s condition, it really begins to spread now.

January 29, 2024- Kensington Palace announces Kate has returned home , is making good progress , and will recover privately . The Daily Mail later reports that William drove her home. Despite the fact that members of the media were apparently set up around the hospital in order to photograph the King and Queen, her departure is not photographed.

January 29, 2024- The King leaves the hospital. He and the Queen smile and wave for photographers outside of the London Clinic. Once again, we have a very public contrast between the King and Kate. Obviously they both are experiencing very different issues and have very different responsibilities, but it nonetheless draws attention to the differences.

Why are you just copy and pasting huge sections of that Nielsen Labs article? Just link to the article and then say what you have to say. I should probably report these because you actually are not supposed to just cut and paste stuff like this without providing context.

The context is that the crazy stories originated within Meghan and Harry fan spaces, as I figured. The Royal Family is doing themselves no favors by being coy, however.

Ok well if you want to make that point, you need to actually write it with your own words. You can quote pieces of that article to back up your point if you want to, but you can't just cut and paste huge chunks of someone else's writing and post them here without attribution and expect other posters to understand the point you are trying to make without spelling it out.

I reported your posts, try again.

I was the one who posted that not PP. I only posted the initial parts of the timeline not the entire thing as it is extensive. I thought it would be more helpful for posters wanting the meat and potatoes instead of combing through 100+ pages or even that extensive article to get to the root of the problem or the initial timeline .

The Spanish journalist, the Dec 28 Twitter post of an ambulance, and the difference between Buckingham Palace announcing King Charles cancer and Queen Camillas many spottings, are key here. William was only spotted at the same London Clinic once

They have two different PR teams. That’s the difference

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe we live in a world like this. Everyone edits photos. It's like she did something no one's ever seen before.

Agree. There was some bad photoshopping - so what? There's a lot of bad photoshopping out there. Is the AP really going to pull half their pictures? Or was their statement inaccurate?

I take it you have not followed any of the developments in this story, nor read the thread?

I've read the entire thread. I think y'all are really really nuts and I also think the news agencies are playing strange games right now. They are either lying in their reason for taking down the picture, or are setting themselves up for huge problems with other edited pictures.

I wondered this as well: what celeb pic out there which is posed like that is NOT edited? Why pull it when all other pics of all other celebs which were edited are out there?

+1 Also I don't know how their press offices work, but do wire services and other news organizations routinely distribute pics posted on their social media accounts? That's what the problem seems to be.

A family's social media account is not the same as an official "news" photo. The wire services picked up the photo because of the "Where's Kate?" hoopla and failed to ensure a family photo (that would be perfectly fine for tweaking) met their "news standards." In their haste to put out the picture, they obviously didn't follow standard protocols.

Are y'all just not paying attention and hopping in at page one-hundred-eighty-whatever without context? Honestly.

No, the press did not just pull a photo from their Instagram. Their press office posted the photo to the Instagram and then also distributed a copy of the photo to news agencies for wider publication. This is part of the problem -- these agencies then published the photos as an official release of Kensington Palace, with the context that it was taken by William earlier in the week, as evidence that the Princess was recovering from surgery. And then it was revealed that the photo was heavily edited and may in fact have been 5 months old and that major elements of the photo, including what people were wearing, their expressions, etc., may have been altered.

The news agencies followed protocol, including killing the photo when evidence of photoshopping became so overwhelming that they could no longer justifiably use the photo as evidence of what they were reporting.

I'm the pp you are quoting/answering. I asked about how the photo was initially pulled and how their press offices work because I hadn't seen that addressed even though I've skimmed some pages of this thread.

Having read your comment, my next thought it is: This is not amateur hour. They have some of the best people in the world working for them and none of this is coincidence. You guys can come up with your nutso theories for the next 3 weeks, but you will not know what is going on with Kate and the royal family until they want you to know. And you need to accept that it may be never.

In the meantime, leave the woman alone. We don't know her condition, but she owes you people nothing. Even if she were taking a break (with no medical issue) I wouldn't blame her at all. She has done her duty, kept a stiff upper lip for 20 years now, birthed three children even though she suffers with hyperemesis gravidarum, has recently lost the beloved Queen with whom she had a strong relationship and is dealing wither her father-in-law's diagnosis.

Some of the outrageous, mean-spirited, speculative nonsense on this thread is appalling. And I say this as someone who doesn't follow RF at all, unless something major happens.

Signed,
regular woman/wife/mom in solidarity with Kate

This is hilarious because not one of these conspiracy theories is anti-Kate.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m all in on the eating disorder theory. It all came to a head at Christmas after she spent so much time in spotlight with her new role. I’m sure there are likely other stressors that impacted it as well but something clearly happened at Christmas and it was the tipping point. She is probably going to need a long time to come to terms with her new body, being in public and photographed. That’s why she isn’t out in public for pictures because it’ll set her back.

How does the ED theory square with KP treating her so poorly? Like giving her the blame for the photo, not visiting her, etc.?

They’re trying to kill her to put Rose in her place. Duhhhh.

I can't imagine they would actually want to put in Rose. That would take decades to recover from. Kate is a huge asset. Kate either can't or won't give them the proof of life they need, and they are botching the job of covering for that.

But people here claim they killed Diana. Let’s just go with that logic.

They in fact absolutely destroyed Diana. May she rest in peace.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe we live in a world like this. Everyone edits photos. It's like she did something no one's ever seen before.

Agree. There was some bad photoshopping - so what? There's a lot of bad photoshopping out there. Is the AP really going to pull half their pictures? Or was their statement inaccurate?

I take it you have not followed any of the developments in this story, nor read the thread?

I've read the entire thread. I think y'all are really really nuts and I also think the news agencies are playing strange games right now. They are either lying in their reason for taking down the picture, or are setting themselves up for huge problems with other edited pictures.

I wondered this as well: what celeb pic out there which is posed like that is NOT edited? Why pull it when all other pics of all other celebs which were edited are out there?

+1 Also I don't know how their press offices work, but do wire services and other news organizations routinely distribute pics posted on their social media accounts? That's what the problem seems to be.

A family's social media account is not the same as an official "news" photo. The wire services picked up the photo because of the "Where's Kate?" hoopla and failed to ensure a family photo (that would be perfectly fine for tweaking) met their "news standards." In their haste to put out the picture, they obviously didn't follow standard protocols.

Are y'all just not paying attention and hopping in at page one-hundred-eighty-whatever without context? Honestly.

No, the press did not just pull a photo from their Instagram. Their press office posted the photo to the Instagram and then also distributed a copy of the photo to news agencies for wider publication. This is part of the problem -- these agencies then published the photos as an official release of Kensington Palace, with the context that it was taken by William earlier in the week, as evidence that the Princess was recovering from surgery. And then it was revealed that the photo was heavily edited and may in fact have been 5 months old and that major elements of the photo, including what people were wearing, their expressions, etc., may have been altered.

The news agencies followed protocol, including killing the photo when evidence of photoshopping became so overwhelming that they could no longer justifiably use the photo as evidence of what they were reporting.

I'm the pp you are quoting/answering. I asked about how the photo was initially pulled and how their press offices work because I hadn't seen that addressed even though I've skimmed some pages of this thread.

Having read your comment, my next thought it is: This is not amateur hour. They have some of the best people in the world working for them and none of this is coincidence. You guys can come up with your nutso theories for the next 3 weeks, but you will not know what is going on with Kate and the royal family until they want you to know. And you need to accept that it may be never.

In the meantime, leave the woman alone. We don't know her condition, but she owes you people nothing. Even if she were taking a break (with no medical issue) I wouldn't blame her at all. She has done her duty, kept a stiff upper lip for 20 years now, birthed three children even though she suffers with hyperemesis gravidarum, has recently lost the beloved Queen with whom she had a strong relationship and is dealing wither her father-in-law's diagnosis.

Some of the outrageous, mean-spirited, speculative nonsense on this thread is appalling. And I say this as someone who doesn't follow RF at all, unless something major happens.

Signed,
regular woman/wife/mom in solidarity with Kate

I don't know who you think you are talking to. I am not a conspiracy theorist, and don't think Catherine Middleton owes me anything, nor does she need your "solidarity." I'm actually pretty cool not knowing what her medical condition is (I have a chronic medical condition myself and am big on medical privacy) and think the speculation about it is gross.

But I am also pretty interested in media and celebrity press, and am fascinated by the choice to release a doctored photo and try to pass it off as something it's not. This is not a commentary on Catherine, who I doubt is in charge of these decisions, but on the royal family as a wealthy, powerful, semi-governmental entity. The fact that they appear to be lying, sometimes openly, to the press and the public, and have a bizarre co-dependent relationship with the UK press, is fascinating to me.

And I do have a problem with people coming on this thread and trying to repeat or defend what we know to be lies. That photo was doctored, enough that every global news agency decided it could not longer be printed.

If you actually want to "leave Catherine alone" stop posting on this thread.

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All the online sleuths have shown very clearly that the doctored photo of Kate with her kids is actually a photoshopped Vogue cover shot of her pasted onto this picture.

The TMZ picture of her and Kate is also photoshopped if you look at the bricks.

I think they are going to announce a divorce or she is in a coma. Likely divorce.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m all in on the eating disorder theory. It all came to a head at Christmas after she spent so much time in spotlight with her new role. I’m sure there are likely other stressors that impacted it as well but something clearly happened at Christmas and it was the tipping point. She is probably going to need a long time to come to terms with her new body, being in public and photographed. That’s why she isn’t out in public for pictures because it’ll set her back.

How does the ED theory square with KP treating her so poorly? Like giving her the blame for the photo, not visiting her, etc.?

They’re trying to kill her to put Rose in her place. Duhhhh.

I can't imagine they would actually want to put in Rose. That would take decades to recover from. Kate is a huge asset. Kate either can't or won't give them the proof of life they need, and they are botching the job of covering for that.

The most points I see for this is if Wills claims she's the love his life and like father/like son, Charles doesn't want to make Will wait a lifetime to be with her - like he had to wait for Camilla. Or Kate's putting her foot down at a time the BRF is vulnerable and forcing Will to give up Rose entirely or Kate will leave.

Yeah, I mean, it would be stupid to abandon Kate but William is the king and kings have done stupid stuff before.

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Anonymous wrote:All the online sleuths have shown very clearly that the doctored photo of Kate with her kids is actually a photoshopped Vogue cover shot of her pasted onto this picture.

The TMZ picture of her and Kate is also photoshopped if you look at the bricks.

I think they are going to announce a divorce or she is in a coma. Likely divorce.

I think coma and death are just far more likely. That’s the only rational explanation for picture edits.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe we live in a world like this. Everyone edits photos. It's like she did something no one's ever seen before.

Agree. There was some bad photoshopping - so what? There's a lot of bad photoshopping out there. Is the AP really going to pull half their pictures? Or was their statement inaccurate?

I take it you have not followed any of the developments in this story, nor read the thread?

I've read the entire thread. I think y'all are really really nuts and I also think the news agencies are playing strange games right now. They are either lying in their reason for taking down the picture, or are setting themselves up for huge problems with other edited pictures.

I wondered this as well: what celeb pic out there which is posed like that is NOT edited? Why pull it when all other pics of all other celebs which were edited are out there?

+1 Also I don't know how their press offices work, but do wire services and other news organizations routinely distribute pics posted on their social media accounts? That's what the problem seems to be.

A family's social media account is not the same as an official "news" photo. The wire services picked up the photo because of the "Where's Kate?" hoopla and failed to ensure a family photo (that would be perfectly fine for tweaking) met their "news standards." In their haste to put out the picture, they obviously didn't follow standard protocols.

Are y'all just not paying attention and hopping in at page one-hundred-eighty-whatever without context? Honestly.

No, the press did not just pull a photo from their Instagram. Their press office posted the photo to the Instagram and then also distributed a copy of the photo to news agencies for wider publication. This is part of the problem -- these agencies then published the photos as an official release of Kensington Palace, with the context that it was taken by William earlier in the week, as evidence that the Princess was recovering from surgery. And then it was revealed that the photo was heavily edited and may in fact have been 5 months old and that major elements of the photo, including what people were wearing, their expressions, etc., may have been altered.

The news agencies followed protocol, including killing the photo when evidence of photoshopping became so overwhelming that they could no longer justifiably use the photo as evidence of what they were reporting.

I'm the pp you are quoting/answering. I asked about how the photo was initially pulled and how their press offices work because I hadn't seen that addressed even though I've skimmed some pages of this thread.

Having read your comment, my next thought it is: This is not amateur hour. They have some of the best people in the world working for them and none of this is coincidence. You guys can come up with your nutso theories for the next 3 weeks, but you will not know what is going on with Kate and the royal family until they want you to know. And you need to accept that it may be never.

In the meantime, leave the woman alone. We don't know her condition, but she owes you people nothing. Even if she were taking a break (with no medical issue) I wouldn't blame her at all. She has done her duty, kept a stiff upper lip for 20 years now, birthed three children even though she suffers with hyperemesis gravidarum, has recently lost the beloved Queen with whom she had a strong relationship and is dealing wither her father-in-law's diagnosis.

Some of the outrageous, mean-spirited, speculative nonsense on this thread is appalling. And I say this as someone who doesn't follow RF at all, unless something major happens.

Signed,
regular woman/wife/mom in solidarity with Kate

This is hilarious because not one of these conspiracy theories is anti-Kate.

Exactly. No one here is hateful/anti-Kate at all. It's the maga-level Kate worshipper(s) who insists this is a shameful, hateful thread. And it's just not.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not one to believe conspiracy theories, but if this Spanish reporter has as good a reputation as claimed and she double downed, then I think Kate may actually be in a coma. Eating disorders can damage internal organs, if laxatives were involved she could absolutely need abdominal surgery. If your body is malnourished and shutting down from an ED you are not in great shape for anesthesia.

I was into the Crohn's theory for a while, and sure you can have flairs and issues with stress, but I remember reading about her diet her mom shared back when she lost a lot of weight pre-marriage and it was definitely concerning enough I was shocked she was fertile enough to have kids.

If she were not in grave condition she would be photographed unless it's a ploy being used in an upcoming divorce. Still I am sure even American reporters are stalking her and someone would see her walking around.

I really hope she didn't end up in the hospital from DV. Definitely think there is a lot of conflict if the press is now getting "stories" that she is volatile. They are starting to throw her under the bus.

Terry Schiavo, the woman whose persistent vegetative state gave rise to litigation between her husband and family, had suffered a cardiac arrest due to an eating disorder. It led to a coma, and then a vegetative state. Not saying it happened here but, for sure, it is something that can happen as a result of an eating disorder.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7318508

I recently listened to an old episode of the You're Wrong About podcast about Terry Schiavo. Although I remembered the big news story it was, I hadn't realized that her health condition was a result of an eating disorder. I think I always assumed it was from an accident. Very interesting episode.