Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

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Anonymous wrote:This about sums it up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/13/bicycle-advocates-won/

Self serving and tacky. Anyone that claims this issue is going away is wrong. It's a letter to the editor. Whoopdido

If opponents of the bike lanes want to keep it as an issue, then they are the ones who are dividing the community. The issue has been settled. There has been an election which has further settled it. This is the transportation trend globally over the past 15 years, and DC is just playing catch up.

Look, after the results of the 2022 election, many pundits said "the kids have voted for the future they want, we should listen to them"

Maybe it is time for the old guard NIMBYs in Ward 3 to heed the same advice.

Recent transplants shouldn't be speaking for the community

I am the person you ar eresponding to. I have lived here over 55 years. Am I a recent transplant?

If you’ve been here that long, let’s be honest, you’re kids are grown and you don’t have to be anywhere in a hurry these days. Most of us have busy lives and young kids and need safe side streets and efficient major corridors. The bike lanes threaten booth those needs so the bike bros can save on metro fare. No thanks.

I have young kids and live on a side street of a major corridor. I am in favor of bike lanes, because I don't drive my kids to school and I don't drive to work. (The kids walk or bike to school.) If neither "recent transplants" nor people who have lived here for 55 years can speak for "the community," then perhaps you also shouldn't be claiming to speak for every middle-aged person with kids?

Are you OK with your kids sharing your side street with 7000 additional cars each day?

Is there one side street that would see 7000 additional cars a day? Also can’t people just stop driving rather than threatening residents with killing their kids while driving down side streets?

No, people can't stop driving. What bubble do you live in?

The bubble where I see people taking the bus and the metro and walking and biking to work everyday instead of choosing to drive? Nobody is requiring you to buy a house that requires you to drive a car to work every day. That is absolutely a personal choice.

Or maybe the bubble where I drive once a week at most because I am able to use my brain and figure out a way to get from A to B that does not involve using a car every day?

Less than 5% of people commute occasionally using a bicycle. Transit has a 10% mode share in our region, which is high nationally but still very, very low overall. Combining the two, what you are describing is the rarest of the rare.

What you are describing is anecdote, not data. The data is very clear, hardly anyone bicycles and a very limited group of people use transit.

I work from home and so I don’t commute. I bike and walk and take the bus to get groceries, get my kids to school, and take them to activities. It isn’t really that hard. People use the roads for many many things besides commuting so not sure what the focus on commuting is.

Also I would bike more if there was better bike infrastructure. If a route that I took a lot by car was putting in bike lanes I wouldn’t go on a message board and say that the change was “forcing” me to drive through residential neighborhoods. That is your choice, nobody is forcing you to do it.

And who cares if it is anecdotal? The vast majority of kids at my DCPS walk to school, that is just as compelling as you throwing out statsics that have no citation. Just because x percent of people now drive for whatever reason doesn’t mean they always have to.

Do you listen to yourself? My god. The world doesn’t revolve around you, nor should it.

I am not sure how someone who drives a car for convenience says this with a straight face. The environment, wars over oil...

You type this without a hint of irony, using a phone and a cargo bike stuffed with cobalt whose mining and production costs Congolese children their lives, not to mention those sexual violence. Have fun with that.

If I'm typing this from a computer and ride a pedal bike, what am I guilty of?

You think wars over oil are a reason not to drive a car but seemingly have no clue about conflict minerals. Cobalt is a necessary ingredient of batteries. 70% of global cobalt production is in the DRC. The mining of cobalt in DRC is not only extremely environmentally destructive but also has left a massive human tragedy. The human rights abuses are endless. For example, the UN currently estimates that 40,000 children are working in cobalt mines in DRC.

So you can ride your e-cargo bike but don’t think for a minute that you are somehow morally superior.

The average bicycle doesn't have any cobalt in it. What are you blathering about?

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Anonymous wrote:This about sums it up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/13/bicycle-advocates-won/

Self serving and tacky. Anyone that claims this issue is going away is wrong. It's a letter to the editor. Whoopdido

If opponents of the bike lanes want to keep it as an issue, then they are the ones who are dividing the community. The issue has been settled. There has been an election which has further settled it. This is the transportation trend globally over the past 15 years, and DC is just playing catch up.

Look, after the results of the 2022 election, many pundits said "the kids have voted for the future they want, we should listen to them"

Maybe it is time for the old guard NIMBYs in Ward 3 to heed the same advice.

Recent transplants shouldn't be speaking for the community

I am the person you ar eresponding to. I have lived here over 55 years. Am I a recent transplant?

If you’ve been here that long, let’s be honest, you’re kids are grown and you don’t have to be anywhere in a hurry these days. Most of us have busy lives and young kids and need safe side streets and efficient major corridors. The bike lanes threaten booth those needs so the bike bros can save on metro fare. No thanks.

I have young kids and live on a side street of a major corridor. I am in favor of bike lanes, because I don't drive my kids to school and I don't drive to work. (The kids walk or bike to school.) If neither "recent transplants" nor people who have lived here for 55 years can speak for "the community," then perhaps you also shouldn't be claiming to speak for every middle-aged person with kids?

Are you OK with your kids sharing your side street with 7000 additional cars each day?

Is there one side street that would see 7000 additional cars a day? Also can’t people just stop driving rather than threatening residents with killing their kids while driving down side streets?

No, people can't stop driving. What bubble do you live in?

The bubble where I see people taking the bus and the metro and walking and biking to work everyday instead of choosing to drive? Nobody is requiring you to buy a house that requires you to drive a car to work every day. That is absolutely a personal choice.

Or maybe the bubble where I drive once a week at most because I am able to use my brain and figure out a way to get from A to B that does not involve using a car every day?

Less than 5% of people commute occasionally using a bicycle. Transit has a 10% mode share in our region, which is high nationally but still very, very low overall. Combining the two, what you are describing is the rarest of the rare.

What you are describing is anecdote, not data. The data is very clear, hardly anyone bicycles and a very limited group of people use transit.

I work from home and so I don’t commute. I bike and walk and take the bus to get groceries, get my kids to school, and take them to activities. It isn’t really that hard. People use the roads for many many things besides commuting so not sure what the focus on commuting is.

Also I would bike more if there was better bike infrastructure. If a route that I took a lot by car was putting in bike lanes I wouldn’t go on a message board and say that the change was “forcing” me to drive through residential neighborhoods. That is your choice, nobody is forcing you to do it.

And who cares if it is anecdotal? The vast majority of kids at my DCPS walk to school, that is just as compelling as you throwing out statsics that have no citation. Just because x percent of people now drive for whatever reason doesn’t mean they always have to.

Do you listen to yourself? My god. The world doesn’t revolve around you, nor should it.

I am not sure how someone who drives a car for convenience says this with a straight face. The environment, wars over oil...

You type this without a hint of irony, using a phone and a cargo bike stuffed with cobalt whose mining and production costs Congolese children their lives, not to mention those sexual violence. Have fun with that.

If I'm typing this from a computer and ride a pedal bike, what am I guilty of?

You think wars over oil are a reason not to drive a car but seemingly have no clue about conflict minerals. Cobalt is a necessary ingredient of batteries. 70% of global cobalt production is in the DRC. The mining of cobalt in DRC is not only extremely environmentally destructive but also has left a massive human tragedy. The human rights abuses are endless. For example, the UN currently estimates that 40,000 children are working in cobalt mines in DRC.

So you can ride your e-cargo bike but don’t think for a minute that you are somehow morally superior.

The average bicycle doesn't have any cobalt in it. What are you blathering about?

Glad that you understand that e-bikes are environmentally and morally repugnant e-bikes.

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Anonymous wrote:This about sums it up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/13/bicycle-advocates-won/

Self serving and tacky. Anyone that claims this issue is going away is wrong. It's a letter to the editor. Whoopdido

If opponents of the bike lanes want to keep it as an issue, then they are the ones who are dividing the community. The issue has been settled. There has been an election which has further settled it. This is the transportation trend globally over the past 15 years, and DC is just playing catch up.

Look, after the results of the 2022 election, many pundits said "the kids have voted for the future they want, we should listen to them"

Maybe it is time for the old guard NIMBYs in Ward 3 to heed the same advice.

Recent transplants shouldn't be speaking for the community

I am the person you ar eresponding to. I have lived here over 55 years. Am I a recent transplant?

If you’ve been here that long, let’s be honest, you’re kids are grown and you don’t have to be anywhere in a hurry these days. Most of us have busy lives and young kids and need safe side streets and efficient major corridors. The bike lanes threaten booth those needs so the bike bros can save on metro fare. No thanks.

I have young kids and live on a side street of a major corridor. I am in favor of bike lanes, because I don't drive my kids to school and I don't drive to work. (The kids walk or bike to school.) If neither "recent transplants" nor people who have lived here for 55 years can speak for "the community," then perhaps you also shouldn't be claiming to speak for every middle-aged person with kids?

Are you OK with your kids sharing your side street with 7000 additional cars each day?

Is there one side street that would see 7000 additional cars a day? Also can’t people just stop driving rather than threatening residents with killing their kids while driving down side streets?

No, people can't stop driving. What bubble do you live in?

The bubble where I see people taking the bus and the metro and walking and biking to work everyday instead of choosing to drive? Nobody is requiring you to buy a house that requires you to drive a car to work every day. That is absolutely a personal choice.

Or maybe the bubble where I drive once a week at most because I am able to use my brain and figure out a way to get from A to B that does not involve using a car every day?

Less than 5% of people commute occasionally using a bicycle. Transit has a 10% mode share in our region, which is high nationally but still very, very low overall. Combining the two, what you are describing is the rarest of the rare.

What you are describing is anecdote, not data. The data is very clear, hardly anyone bicycles and a very limited group of people use transit.

I work from home and so I don’t commute. I bike and walk and take the bus to get groceries, get my kids to school, and take them to activities. It isn’t really that hard. People use the roads for many many things besides commuting so not sure what the focus on commuting is.

Also I would bike more if there was better bike infrastructure. If a route that I took a lot by car was putting in bike lanes I wouldn’t go on a message board and say that the change was “forcing” me to drive through residential neighborhoods. That is your choice, nobody is forcing you to do it.

And who cares if it is anecdotal? The vast majority of kids at my DCPS walk to school, that is just as compelling as you throwing out statsics that have no citation. Just because x percent of people now drive for whatever reason doesn’t mean they always have to.

Do you listen to yourself? My god. The world doesn’t revolve around you, nor should it.

I am not sure how someone who drives a car for convenience says this with a straight face. The environment, wars over oil...

You type this without a hint of irony, using a phone and a cargo bike stuffed with cobalt whose mining and production costs Congolese children their lives, not to mention those sexual violence. Have fun with that.

If I'm typing this from a computer and ride a pedal bike, what am I guilty of?

You think wars over oil are a reason not to drive a car but seemingly have no clue about conflict minerals. Cobalt is a necessary ingredient of batteries. 70% of global cobalt production is in the DRC. The mining of cobalt in DRC is not only extremely environmentally destructive but also has left a massive human tragedy. The human rights abuses are endless. For example, the UN currently estimates that 40,000 children are working in cobalt mines in DRC.

So you can ride your e-cargo bike but don’t think for a minute that you are somehow morally superior.

The average bicycle doesn't have any cobalt in it. What are you blathering about?

Glad that you understand that e-bikes are environmentally and morally repugnant e-bikes.

I'd love to know how you manage to completely avoid the use of lithium ion batteries. It's not like they are unique to e-bikes.

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Anonymous wrote:This about sums it up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/13/bicycle-advocates-won/

Self serving and tacky. Anyone that claims this issue is going away is wrong. It's a letter to the editor. Whoopdido

If opponents of the bike lanes want to keep it as an issue, then they are the ones who are dividing the community. The issue has been settled. There has been an election which has further settled it. This is the transportation trend globally over the past 15 years, and DC is just playing catch up.

Look, after the results of the 2022 election, many pundits said "the kids have voted for the future they want, we should listen to them"

Maybe it is time for the old guard NIMBYs in Ward 3 to heed the same advice.

Recent transplants shouldn't be speaking for the community

I am the person you ar eresponding to. I have lived here over 55 years. Am I a recent transplant?

If you’ve been here that long, let’s be honest, you’re kids are grown and you don’t have to be anywhere in a hurry these days. Most of us have busy lives and young kids and need safe side streets and efficient major corridors. The bike lanes threaten booth those needs so the bike bros can save on metro fare. No thanks.

I have young kids and live on a side street of a major corridor. I am in favor of bike lanes, because I don't drive my kids to school and I don't drive to work. (The kids walk or bike to school.) If neither "recent transplants" nor people who have lived here for 55 years can speak for "the community," then perhaps you also shouldn't be claiming to speak for every middle-aged person with kids?

Are you OK with your kids sharing your side street with 7000 additional cars each day?

Is there one side street that would see 7000 additional cars a day? Also can’t people just stop driving rather than threatening residents with killing their kids while driving down side streets?

No, people can't stop driving. What bubble do you live in?

The bubble where I see people taking the bus and the metro and walking and biking to work everyday instead of choosing to drive? Nobody is requiring you to buy a house that requires you to drive a car to work every day. That is absolutely a personal choice.

Or maybe the bubble where I drive once a week at most because I am able to use my brain and figure out a way to get from A to B that does not involve using a car every day?

Less than 5% of people commute occasionally using a bicycle. Transit has a 10% mode share in our region, which is high nationally but still very, very low overall. Combining the two, what you are describing is the rarest of the rare.

What you are describing is anecdote, not data. The data is very clear, hardly anyone bicycles and a very limited group of people use transit.

I work from home and so I don’t commute. I bike and walk and take the bus to get groceries, get my kids to school, and take them to activities. It isn’t really that hard. People use the roads for many many things besides commuting so not sure what the focus on commuting is.

Also I would bike more if there was better bike infrastructure. If a route that I took a lot by car was putting in bike lanes I wouldn’t go on a message board and say that the change was “forcing” me to drive through residential neighborhoods. That is your choice, nobody is forcing you to do it.

And who cares if it is anecdotal? The vast majority of kids at my DCPS walk to school, that is just as compelling as you throwing out statsics that have no citation. Just because x percent of people now drive for whatever reason doesn’t mean they always have to.

Do you listen to yourself? My god. The world doesn’t revolve around you, nor should it.

I am not sure how someone who drives a car for convenience says this with a straight face. The environment, wars over oil...

You type this without a hint of irony, using a phone and a cargo bike stuffed with cobalt whose mining and production costs Congolese children their lives, not to mention those sexual violence. Have fun with that.

If I'm typing this from a computer and ride a pedal bike, what am I guilty of?

You think wars over oil are a reason not to drive a car but seemingly have no clue about conflict minerals. Cobalt is a necessary ingredient of batteries. 70% of global cobalt production is in the DRC. The mining of cobalt in DRC is not only extremely environmentally destructive but also has left a massive human tragedy. The human rights abuses are endless. For example, the UN currently estimates that 40,000 children are working in cobalt mines in DRC.

So you can ride your e-cargo bike but don’t think for a minute that you are somehow morally superior.

The average bicycle doesn't have any cobalt in it. What are you blathering about?

Glad that you understand that e-bikes are environmentally and morally repugnant e-bikes.

I'd love to know how you manage to completely avoid the use of lithium ion batteries. It's not like they are unique to e-bikes.

Isn’t that the point? There’s no environmentally or morally superior option.

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Anonymous wrote:This about sums it up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/13/bicycle-advocates-won/

Self serving and tacky. Anyone that claims this issue is going away is wrong. It's a letter to the editor. Whoopdido

If opponents of the bike lanes want to keep it as an issue, then they are the ones who are dividing the community. The issue has been settled. There has been an election which has further settled it. This is the transportation trend globally over the past 15 years, and DC is just playing catch up.

Look, after the results of the 2022 election, many pundits said "the kids have voted for the future they want, we should listen to them"

Maybe it is time for the old guard NIMBYs in Ward 3 to heed the same advice.

Recent transplants shouldn't be speaking for the community

I am the person you ar eresponding to. I have lived here over 55 years. Am I a recent transplant?

If you’ve been here that long, let’s be honest, you’re kids are grown and you don’t have to be anywhere in a hurry these days. Most of us have busy lives and young kids and need safe side streets and efficient major corridors. The bike lanes threaten booth those needs so the bike bros can save on metro fare. No thanks.

I have young kids and live on a side street of a major corridor. I am in favor of bike lanes, because I don't drive my kids to school and I don't drive to work. (The kids walk or bike to school.) If neither "recent transplants" nor people who have lived here for 55 years can speak for "the community," then perhaps you also shouldn't be claiming to speak for every middle-aged person with kids?

Are you OK with your kids sharing your side street with 7000 additional cars each day?

Is there one side street that would see 7000 additional cars a day? Also can’t people just stop driving rather than threatening residents with killing their kids while driving down side streets?

No, people can't stop driving. What bubble do you live in?

The bubble where I see people taking the bus and the metro and walking and biking to work everyday instead of choosing to drive? Nobody is requiring you to buy a house that requires you to drive a car to work every day. That is absolutely a personal choice.

Or maybe the bubble where I drive once a week at most because I am able to use my brain and figure out a way to get from A to B that does not involve using a car every day?

Less than 5% of people commute occasionally using a bicycle. Transit has a 10% mode share in our region, which is high nationally but still very, very low overall. Combining the two, what you are describing is the rarest of the rare.

What you are describing is anecdote, not data. The data is very clear, hardly anyone bicycles and a very limited group of people use transit.

I work from home and so I don’t commute. I bike and walk and take the bus to get groceries, get my kids to school, and take them to activities. It isn’t really that hard. People use the roads for many many things besides commuting so not sure what the focus on commuting is.

Also I would bike more if there was better bike infrastructure. If a route that I took a lot by car was putting in bike lanes I wouldn’t go on a message board and say that the change was “forcing” me to drive through residential neighborhoods. That is your choice, nobody is forcing you to do it.

And who cares if it is anecdotal? The vast majority of kids at my DCPS walk to school, that is just as compelling as you throwing out statsics that have no citation. Just because x percent of people now drive for whatever reason doesn’t mean they always have to.

Do you listen to yourself? My god. The world doesn’t revolve around you, nor should it.

I am not sure how someone who drives a car for convenience says this with a straight face. The environment, wars over oil...

You type this without a hint of irony, using a phone and a cargo bike stuffed with cobalt whose mining and production costs Congolese children their lives, not to mention those sexual violence. Have fun with that.

If I'm typing this from a computer and ride a pedal bike, what am I guilty of?

You think wars over oil are a reason not to drive a car but seemingly have no clue about conflict minerals. Cobalt is a necessary ingredient of batteries. 70% of global cobalt production is in the DRC. The mining of cobalt in DRC is not only extremely environmentally destructive but also has left a massive human tragedy. The human rights abuses are endless. For example, the UN currently estimates that 40,000 children are working in cobalt mines in DRC.

So you can ride your e-cargo bike but don’t think for a minute that you are somehow morally superior.

The average bicycle doesn't have any cobalt in it. What are you blathering about?

Glad that you understand that e-bikes are environmentally and morally repugnant e-bikes.

I'd love to know how you manage to completely avoid the use of lithium ion batteries. It's not like they are unique to e-bikes.

Isn’t that the point? There’s no environmentally or morally superior option.

I'll take what is a false equivalence for $500, Alex.

[Anonymous]

Washington Post (after endorsing a the Ward candidate who opposed the project) now comes out in favor of the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

With Bowser's approval already, this appears to be a done deal now!

[Anonymous]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/12/30/washington-dc-bike-lanes-commute/

[Anonymous]

The editorial was absurd. It acknowledges that thousands of cars will be diverted to side streets. It implies that bikes will be used mostly during rush hour. It implies that current bike usage may not justify bike lanes. On Thursday, I drove downtown from CC Circle to K Street at roughly 9 am. I saw one bike, on the side walk, western side. I returned at roughly 1015 am. I saw one bike on the Avenue itself, eastern side near Uptown Theater. Thursday was a beautiful winter day. Yes, of course, I am aware that many were on vacation or out of town. Meanwhile, hundreds of cars were on the Avenue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The editorial was absurd. It acknowledges that thousands of cars will be diverted to side streets. It implies that bikes will be used mostly during rush hour. It implies that current bike usage may not justify bike lanes. On Thursday, I drove downtown from CC Circle to K Street at roughly 9 am. I saw one bike, on the side walk, western side. I returned at roughly 1015 am. I saw one bike on the Avenue itself, eastern side near Uptown Theater. Thursday was a beautiful winter day. Yes, of course, I am aware that many were on vacation or out of town. Meanwhile, hundreds of cars were on the Avenue.

You poor thing - must have been traumatic!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The editorial was absurd. It acknowledges that thousands of cars will be diverted to side streets. It implies that bikes will be used mostly during rush hour. It implies that current bike usage may not justify bike lanes. On Thursday, I drove downtown from CC Circle to K Street at roughly 9 am. I saw one bike, on the side walk, western side. I returned at roughly 1015 am. I saw one bike on the Avenue itself, eastern side near Uptown Theater. Thursday was a beautiful winter day. Yes, of course, I am aware that many were on vacation or out of town. Meanwhile, hundreds of cars were on the Avenue.

Funny, I saw hundreds of people out biking yesterday on and around CT Ave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The editorial was absurd. It acknowledges that thousands of cars will be diverted to side streets. It implies that bikes will be used mostly during rush hour. It implies that current bike usage may not justify bike lanes. On Thursday, I drove downtown from CC Circle to K Street at roughly 9 am. I saw one bike, on the side walk, western side. I returned at roughly 1015 am. I saw one bike on the Avenue itself, eastern side near Uptown Theater. Thursday was a beautiful winter day. Yes, of course, I am aware that many were on vacation or out of town. Meanwhile, hundreds of cars were on the Avenue.

I'm curious if you read the part of the editorial where the editors invoked various studies to explain how all of the objections trotted out to oppose the bike lanes are, for want of a better term, total horseshit. The comments section contains a lot of useful information too.

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No, they haven't. These same people post on the local neighborhood email groups, and proponents have shared similar studies time and time again, and the email group owners, who are generally NIMBYs, allow the BS to be posted repeatedly and then censor two-sided discussion, favoring opponents.

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Anonymous wrote:No, they haven't. These same people post on the local neighborhood email groups, and proponents have shared similar studies time and time again, and the email group owners, who are generally NIMBYs, allow the BS to be posted repeatedly and then censor two-sided discussion, favoring opponents.

+1,000 we have a winner!