Travis and Taylor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What a weird thing to comment on - "chemistry" between two people, like they owe you that performance. But then when they are in fact showing affection, or support, it's not right either. She's too "extra" or he's "extra" or she's showing up wearing the wrong thing, like she's there for your consumption to be entertained properly, but then 24 seconds is too long for you.

She will never please some of you, and in this regard (a relationship) she doesn't have to please any of you, only herself and the person she's in a relationship with. Even my mother for crying out loud said "she's just trying to be normal while everyone else around her isn't." She hid her relationship for 6 years. She's simply not hiding anymore.

lol, the Swifties are becoming unhinged because people's eyes can see clear as day how fake this is. Sorry, you can't gaslight and bully people to believe fake is authentic. We have eyes, we have intuition, and we have instincts. We know fake when we see it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But what I don't get PP is literally what's in it for Taylor Swift. I fully get how Travis Kelce could benefit from this (literally anyone she dated would be less famous, have less clout, have less publicity, literally anyone), but Taylor Swift? She needs absolutely zero help selling music, selling out stadiums, having exposure by simply walking outside of her apartment (she seems left alone when at other residences I guess). What does she gain from this? She needs literally nothing in her life that anyone can give her, other than a relationship. She can't buy that, and that's why I think this is real.

Eh, that's not the mentality of someone like Taylor Swift.

One thing about people who are extremely successful is that there is always more, there's always another goal or another level they can reach. I think the Kelce relationship has helped her. It helped her turn the page on Alwyn and Healy, which were both somewhat negative gossip stories for her (Alwyn less so but it was still viewed as a "failed relationship"). I think the timing of her relationship with Kelce helped her get selected for Time's person of the year feature, which is the kind of "honor" that people at this level can actually be quite obsessive about.

After a relationship with a reclusive British guy, and then a short-lived fling with someone who turned out to be kind of a $hitheel, what better way to burnish her image as America's Success Barbie than to have a very public relationship with a superstar athlete. And not just any athlete, but a football player. After all, the NFL is the Taylor Swift of American sports -- no matter what people say about it or how some haters complain, it just gets more and more popular. It's a juggernaut. From Taylor's perspective, the appeal of uniting multiple extremely successful brands and seeing how it explodes the internet, is probably fun. If you don't think Taylor knows how her her relationship with Kelce has boosted sales of his jersey, interest in the Chiefs and football generally, even potentially ad dollars for the NFL (did the league flex more Chiefs games to prime time knowing Taylor would drive interest? Did advertisers pay extra to be positioned next to bumpers featuring Taylor? I'd be curious to know), you're crazy. She knows. People at this level know and they care.

You think someone becomes Taylor Swift at this level and things "well, that was fun, I've done it all -- time to ride off into the sunset with a hunk." No way. She's still climbing. She wants to know how high she can get and she's not done yet.

I disagree 10000% that she needed Travis Kelce to get Time Magazine's Person of the Year. She achieved billionaire status through a ridiculously, ongoing successful worldwide tour and a movie, etc. She needed no one to get her there, just like all of her other achievements. They are achieved on her own, and it's her coattails people are riding, not the other way around (as you noted yourself above). I can see your point that she wanted to rebound from the douche she dated after Joe Alwyn, who I know nothing about other than his ties to her, but we all rebound from relationships. This is nothing but human behavior. I don't think she's done climbing, either. But if anyone is riding off with anyone, it's him with her, not the other way around. I just don't see her riding on anyone's coattails for anything.

You misunderstand me. I don't think she needed Travis Kelce to get Person of the Year. She doesn't "need" anyone.

I'm saying she is using Kelce and this "relationship" to accomplish certain publicity goals, namely to turn coverage of her love life from a negative to a positive, give her ample opportunities to be seen interacting with "regular people" (i.e. Kelce's family and friends) which make her seem more relatable and down to earth, as well as to flex the muscle of her marketing power in a new arena (pro sports).

It's not that she was like "oh no if I don't become this football players girlfriend, no one will think I'm successful." She's a marketing genius. Before the Kelce relationship, she was widely lauded as an enormous creative and financial success BUT had a reputation for dating "bad" guys. I think the Healy/Ice Spice incident was a problem for her (she went to great lengths to correct it) and she wanted to turn the page on that story. She has used Kelce to do that, quite successfully.

She's in charge. That doesn't mean the relationship is real and not a publicity stunt.

Dp-
HOLD UP!!!!
what’s the Ice Spice incident?
I’m so out of touch with pop culture and this thread is educational.
TIA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By the way
I really wanted to thank everyone for coming to this thread. It really has it all! It’s got the energy of:
Crazy British royal family stans
Crazy Megan Markle haters
Crazy Ravens fans
Crazy Chiefs fans
Crazy you’re doing feminism wrong posters
People who love Paul Rudd
People who don’t know what WAGS are
People who just found out what WAGS are
Vintage car aficionados
Sexuality questioning middle aged women
Crazy Kennedy dynasty stans
People who hate red lipstick
Incel MAGA conspiracy theories
BRUNCH GRANNY style shaming

We’ve outdone ourselves and I really think we should give credit to the one person who brought us all together.

TAYLOR SWIFT

The hilarity of anyone expecting others to know some inane sports acronym. I wish I had that kind of time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:By the way
I really wanted to thank everyone for coming to this thread. It really has it all! It’s got the energy of:
Crazy British royal family stans
Crazy Megan Markle haters
Crazy Ravens fans
Crazy Chiefs fans
Crazy you’re doing feminism wrong posters
People who love Paul Rudd
People who don’t know what WAGS are
People who just found out what WAGS are
Vintage car aficionados
Sexuality questioning middle aged women
Crazy Kennedy dynasty stans
People who hate red lipstick
Incel MAGA conspiracy theories
BRUNCH GRANNY style shaming

We’ve outdone ourselves and I really think we should give credit to the one person who brought us all together.

TAYLOR SWIFT

The hilarity of anyone expecting others to know some inane sports acronym. I wish I had that kind of time.

If you have joined this cluster for the past 180 pages, you know.
You know that you know.
And if you are being honest, you always knew.
Ya know?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But what I don't get PP is literally what's in it for Taylor Swift. I fully get how Travis Kelce could benefit from this (literally anyone she dated would be less famous, have less clout, have less publicity, literally anyone), but Taylor Swift? She needs absolutely zero help selling music, selling out stadiums, having exposure by simply walking outside of her apartment (she seems left alone when at other residences I guess). What does she gain from this? She needs literally nothing in her life that anyone can give her, other than a relationship. She can't buy that, and that's why I think this is real.

This is how painfully attention starved she is, there will literally never be an amount that is too much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So refreshing to see a successful woman being torn down, dismissed and the credit for her success being given to the man she's dating..... by other women. THIS is why men will always run the world, because women can't stand cheering on another women or at the very least giving her credit for creating her own success.

Again, you're free to stop reading at any time. We were allowed our opinions, even if they hurt your feelings. Even if you don't like them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But what I don't get PP is literally what's in it for Taylor Swift. I fully get how Travis Kelce could benefit from this (literally anyone she dated would be less famous, have less clout, have less publicity, literally anyone), but Taylor Swift? She needs absolutely zero help selling music, selling out stadiums, having exposure by simply walking outside of her apartment (she seems left alone when at other residences I guess). What does she gain from this? She needs literally nothing in her life that anyone can give her, other than a relationship. She can't buy that, and that's why I think this is real.

This has generated record-breaking female viewers and impressions for NFL among target (prime) female audience, to the tune of over $330 million thus far. You don't think Swift and her ruthless dad are getting a piece? NFL generates over $20 billion a year. NFL also just randomly scored the rights to her music to use on socials and TV? Come on, everyone is in on this charade. The public is being duped.

That's a ludicrous tweet. Let's rewrite it, shall we?
Taylor Swift net worth in April of 2023, before she embarked on the U.S. leg of a record-breaking stadium tour: $570 million

Taylor Swift net worth in January of 2024, after record-breaking stadium tour, including South American dates: $1.1 billion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So refreshing to see a successful woman being torn down, dismissed and the credit for her success being given to the man she's dating..... by other women. THIS is why men will always run the world, because women can't stand cheering on another women or at the very least giving her credit for creating her own success.

Again, you're free to stop reading at any time. We were allowed our opinions, even if they hurt your feelings. Even if you don't like them.

Again，you're free to woman up and stop being a hater because you are jealous and will never achieve such success. You can actually champion other women instead of sitting on the sidelines of your life supported by your husband money in your lulu leggings, gossiping with the other sahm pta moms while sipping your Starbucks. Ok honey. Now go make some snacks for the men while they watch Taylor’s boyfriend play that cute little game of football.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But what I don't get PP is literally what's in it for Taylor Swift. I fully get how Travis Kelce could benefit from this (literally anyone she dated would be less famous, have less clout, have less publicity, literally anyone), but Taylor Swift? She needs absolutely zero help selling music, selling out stadiums, having exposure by simply walking outside of her apartment (she seems left alone when at other residences I guess). What does she gain from this? She needs literally nothing in her life that anyone can give her, other than a relationship. She can't buy that, and that's why I think this is real.

Eh, that's not the mentality of someone like Taylor Swift.

One thing about people who are extremely successful is that there is always more, there's always another goal or another level they can reach. I think the Kelce relationship has helped her. It helped her turn the page on Alwyn and Healy, which were both somewhat negative gossip stories for her (Alwyn less so but it was still viewed as a "failed relationship"). I think the timing of her relationship with Kelce helped her get selected for Time's person of the year feature, which is the kind of "honor" that people at this level can actually be quite obsessive about.

After a relationship with a reclusive British guy, and then a short-lived fling with someone who turned out to be kind of a $hitheel, what better way to burnish her image as America's Success Barbie than to have a very public relationship with a superstar athlete. And not just any athlete, but a football player. After all, the NFL is the Taylor Swift of American sports -- no matter what people say about it or how some haters complain, it just gets more and more popular. It's a juggernaut. From Taylor's perspective, the appeal of uniting multiple extremely successful brands and seeing how it explodes the internet, is probably fun. If you don't think Taylor knows how her her relationship with Kelce has boosted sales of his jersey, interest in the Chiefs and football generally, even potentially ad dollars for the NFL (did the league flex more Chiefs games to prime time knowing Taylor would drive interest? Did advertisers pay extra to be positioned next to bumpers featuring Taylor? I'd be curious to know), you're crazy. She knows. People at this level know and they care.

You think someone becomes Taylor Swift at this level and things "well, that was fun, I've done it all -- time to ride off into the sunset with a hunk." No way. She's still climbing. She wants to know how high she can get and she's not done yet.

I disagree 10000% that she needed Travis Kelce to get Time Magazine's Person of the Year. She achieved billionaire status through a ridiculously, ongoing successful worldwide tour and a movie, etc. She needed no one to get her there, just like all of her other achievements. They are achieved on her own, and it's her coattails people are riding, not the other way around (as you noted yourself above). I can see your point that she wanted to rebound from the douche she dated after Joe Alwyn, who I know nothing about other than his ties to her, but we all rebound from relationships. This is nothing but human behavior. I don't think she's done climbing, either. But if anyone is riding off with anyone, it's him with her, not the other way around. I just don't see her riding on anyone's coattails for anything.

You misunderstand me. I don't think she needed Travis Kelce to get Person of the Year. She doesn't "need" anyone.

I'm saying she is using Kelce and this "relationship" to accomplish certain publicity goals, namely to turn coverage of her love life from a negative to a positive, give her ample opportunities to be seen interacting with "regular people" (i.e. Kelce's family and friends) which make her seem more relatable and down to earth, as well as to flex the muscle of her marketing power in a new arena (pro sports).

It's not that she was like "oh no if I don't become this football players girlfriend, no one will think I'm successful." She's a marketing genius. Before the Kelce relationship, she was widely lauded as an enormous creative and financial success BUT had a reputation for dating "bad" guys. I think the Healy/Ice Spice incident was a problem for her (she went to great lengths to correct it) and she wanted to turn the page on that story. She has used Kelce to do that, quite successfully.

She's in charge. That doesn't mean the relationship is real and not a publicity stunt.

Dp-
HOLD UP!!!!
what’s the Ice Spice incident?
I’m so out of touch with pop culture and this thread is educational.
TIA

PP, thank you for asking. I am THRILLED at getting to share this with you.

So while Taylor was linked to Healy in the spring of 2023, it came out that he'd been on a podcast (The Adam Friedland Show) where he and the host had said some disparaging, racist things about Ice Spice (they were REALLY bad, they did mock Chinese and Hawaiian accents, made fun of her body, and questioned her ethnicity). When this blew up and Healy was linked to Taylor romantically, this was obviously a very bad look just as her Eras tour was kicking off.

Taylor and Healy broke things off and the timing makes it seem pretty clearly that it was linked to this stuff with Ice Spice. Backing that up is the fact that Taylor wound up bringing Ice Spice on tour as one of her guest acts and performing with her. It seems like Taylor handled the whole thing pretty well, honestly, but from a PR standpoint, it was definitely a problem for Taylor to be linked with someone who is generally viewed as a jerk, and the fact that he said this blatantly racist stuff on a podcast (so like knowing it was being recorded and people would hear it) raises some questions about her judgment, especially regarding men (and especially when you know that Taylor had been linked to Healy before, like a decade before, so this was a reunion of sorts after her Joe Alwyn breakup, not a new relationship).

Anyway, this was actually a big story in Swiftie-land back in the spring/summer but the Kelce relationship has completely eclipsed it. It's also interesting to me that a 6 month relationship with Kelce seems to be generating about a billion times more interest and fan "shipping" than the 6 YEARS she was with Alwyn, who was notoriously disinterested in making their relationship public. Obviously Kelce is the opposite of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So refreshing to see a successful woman being torn down, dismissed and the credit for her success being given to the man she's dating..... by other women. THIS is why men will always run the world, because women can't stand cheering on another women or at the very least giving her credit for creating her own success.

Again, you're free to stop reading at any time. We were allowed our opinions, even if they hurt your feelings. Even if you don't like them.

Again，you're free to woman up and stop being a hater because you are jealous and will never achieve such success. You can actually champion other women instead of sitting on the sidelines of your life supported by your husband money in your lulu leggings, gossiping with the other sahm pta moms while sipping your Starbucks. Ok honey. Now go make some snacks for the men while they watch Taylor’s boyfriend play that cute little game of football.

DP but I just want to say that this fan/hater dynamic you are trying to impose sucks. Let there be nuance. Some of us root for Taylor Swift as a business woman and artist, like her music, and also think this relationship is a publicity stunt and that the way it's been carried out feels like a grift.

I contain multitudes, okay? I don't hate Taylor Swift but that doesn't mean I think everything she does is awesome. I can enjoy her music and appreciate her financial success and still criticize some stuff she does when it offends my sensibility. Post like yours turn this into a stupid back-and-forth beefing contest when a lot of us just want to *discuss* a subject that is interesting and varied and about which there can be MANY valid opinions.

Putting down women with a bunch of misogynist comments because you think they are putting down a woman you like is crazy. We can have this conversation without being jerks to each other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are in their 30's and hope for the same things we all want: marriage and children.

I actually do believe there's a decent chance they get married and she has a baby at the end of her tour. If you watch her interact with kids who are fans, she seems like a sweet person who genuinely likes kids. Her BFF Blake Lively is a mom of four that she is close with. Travis could retire from football and want the same life as his brother. This situation reminds me of the Sex and the City line about men who are ready to get married being taxi cabs with their light on - they pick up the next eligible rider. I see that for both of them here.

This is how I see it, too, PP.

[NP]

[Anonymous]

For some reason I just don't see her having a kid.

But I'll also note that I think people said this about me before I had a kid, and I'm an awesome mom. So whatever, she can and will do whatever she wants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But what I don't get PP is literally what's in it for Taylor Swift. I fully get how Travis Kelce could benefit from this (literally anyone she dated would be less famous, have less clout, have less publicity, literally anyone), but Taylor Swift? She needs absolutely zero help selling music, selling out stadiums, having exposure by simply walking outside of her apartment (she seems left alone when at other residences I guess). What does she gain from this? She needs literally nothing in her life that anyone can give her, other than a relationship. She can't buy that, and that's why I think this is real.

This has generated record-breaking female viewers and impressions for NFL among target (prime) female audience, to the tune of over $330 million thus far. You don't think Swift and her ruthless dad are getting a piece? NFL generates over $20 billion a year. NFL also just randomly scored the rights to her music to use on socials and TV? Come on, everyone is in on this charade. The public is being duped.

Yeah, none of her increase in wealth had anything to do with the little tour and movie she had going on. Nothing. It's all Travis making her richer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For some reason I just don't see her having a kid.

But I'll also note that I think people said this about me before I had a kid, and I'm an awesome mom. So whatever, she can and will do whatever she wants.

I think she'll have a kid eventually, but not with this guy. I believe their relationship is real, but I doubt he's the kind of guy she wants to tether herself to for the rest of her life by having a kid with him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But what I don't get PP is literally what's in it for Taylor Swift. I fully get how Travis Kelce could benefit from this (literally anyone she dated would be less famous, have less clout, have less publicity, literally anyone), but Taylor Swift? She needs absolutely zero help selling music, selling out stadiums, having exposure by simply walking outside of her apartment (she seems left alone when at other residences I guess). What does she gain from this? She needs literally nothing in her life that anyone can give her, other than a relationship. She can't buy that, and that's why I think this is real.

Eh, that's not the mentality of someone like Taylor Swift.

One thing about people who are extremely successful is that there is always more, there's always another goal or another level they can reach. I think the Kelce relationship has helped her. It helped her turn the page on Alwyn and Healy, which were both somewhat negative gossip stories for her (Alwyn less so but it was still viewed as a "failed relationship"). I think the timing of her relationship with Kelce helped her get selected for Time's person of the year feature, which is the kind of "honor" that people at this level can actually be quite obsessive about.

After a relationship with a reclusive British guy, and then a short-lived fling with someone who turned out to be kind of a $hitheel, what better way to burnish her image as America's Success Barbie than to have a very public relationship with a superstar athlete. And not just any athlete, but a football player. After all, the NFL is the Taylor Swift of American sports -- no matter what people say about it or how some haters complain, it just gets more and more popular. It's a juggernaut. From Taylor's perspective, the appeal of uniting multiple extremely successful brands and seeing how it explodes the internet, is probably fun. If you don't think Taylor knows how her her relationship with Kelce has boosted sales of his jersey, interest in the Chiefs and football generally, even potentially ad dollars for the NFL (did the league flex more Chiefs games to prime time knowing Taylor would drive interest? Did advertisers pay extra to be positioned next to bumpers featuring Taylor? I'd be curious to know), you're crazy. She knows. People at this level know and they care.

You think someone becomes Taylor Swift at this level and things "well, that was fun, I've done it all -- time to ride off into the sunset with a hunk." No way. She's still climbing. She wants to know how high she can get and she's not done yet.

I disagree 10000% that she needed Travis Kelce to get Time Magazine's Person of the Year. She achieved billionaire status through a ridiculously, ongoing successful worldwide tour and a movie, etc. She needed no one to get her there, just like all of her other achievements. They are achieved on her own, and it's her coattails people are riding, not the other way around (as you noted yourself above). I can see your point that she wanted to rebound from the douche she dated after Joe Alwyn, who I know nothing about other than his ties to her, but we all rebound from relationships. This is nothing but human behavior. I don't think she's done climbing, either. But if anyone is riding off with anyone, it's him with her, not the other way around. I just don't see her riding on anyone's coattails for anything.

You misunderstand me. I don't think she needed Travis Kelce to get Person of the Year. She doesn't "need" anyone.

I'm saying she is using Kelce and this "relationship" to accomplish certain publicity goals, namely to turn coverage of her love life from a negative to a positive, give her ample opportunities to be seen interacting with "regular people" (i.e. Kelce's family and friends) which make her seem more relatable and down to earth, as well as to flex the muscle of her marketing power in a new arena (pro sports).

It's not that she was like "oh no if I don't become this football players girlfriend, no one will think I'm successful." She's a marketing genius. Before the Kelce relationship, she was widely lauded as an enormous creative and financial success BUT had a reputation for dating "bad" guys. I think the Healy/Ice Spice incident was a problem for her (she went to great lengths to correct it) and she wanted to turn the page on that story. She has used Kelce to do that, quite successfully.

She's in charge. That doesn't mean the relationship is real and not a publicity stunt.

Dp-
HOLD UP!!!!
what’s the Ice Spice incident?
I’m so out of touch with pop culture and this thread is educational.
TIA

PP, thank you for asking. I am THRILLED at getting to share this with you.

So while Taylor was linked to Healy in the spring of 2023, it came out that he'd been on a podcast (The Adam Friedland Show) where he and the host had said some disparaging, racist things about Ice Spice (they were REALLY bad, they did mock Chinese and Hawaiian accents, made fun of her body, and questioned her ethnicity). When this blew up and Healy was linked to Taylor romantically, this was obviously a very bad look just as her Eras tour was kicking off.

Taylor and Healy broke things off and the timing makes it seem pretty clearly that it was linked to this stuff with Ice Spice. Backing that up is the fact that Taylor wound up bringing Ice Spice on tour as one of her guest acts and performing with her. It seems like Taylor handled the whole thing pretty well, honestly, but from a PR standpoint, it was definitely a problem for Taylor to be linked with someone who is generally viewed as a jerk, and the fact that he said this blatantly racist stuff on a podcast (so like knowing it was being recorded and people would hear it) raises some questions about her judgment, especially regarding men (and especially when you know that Taylor had been linked to Healy before, like a decade before, so this was a reunion of sorts after her Joe Alwyn breakup, not a new relationship).

Anyway, this was actually a big story in Swiftie-land back in the spring/summer but the Kelce relationship has completely eclipsed it. It's also interesting to me that a 6 month relationship with Kelce seems to be generating about a billion times more interest and fan "shipping" than the 6 YEARS she was with Alwyn, who was notoriously disinterested in making their relationship public. Obviously Kelce is the opposite of that.

😘thank you for your service