FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s revisit Franklin/Carson/Rocky Run.

If we move (1) Franklin kids who are already zoned to Chantilly to Rocky Run, (2) Carson kids zoned to SLHS (fox mill and some Floris kids) to Hughes, and (3) Crossfield kids from Carson to Franklin, will this solve the split feeder problem?
Carson is not overcrowded, why would you move all these kids out of Carson without moving new kids in? Also Crossfield is zoned to Oakton, it doesn't make sense to move those kids to Franklin unless you are moving all those kids to Chantilly too, which is ridiculous given how overcrowded Chantilly HS is. The post several weeks ago about moving anyone from Carson that is zoned to Chantilly to Franklin makes the most sense. But don't move kids zoned to Oakton to yet another MS.


Carson is a three way split feeder. Tell me how to fix it.


Is that really a “problem” that needs solving?


Yes it does. My kids made friends and they all went to different schools. One way to do this is to get rid of AAP at Carson.


OMG. “Get rid of AAP centers because my kid made friends that went to different schools.”

I bet that is your argument for getting rid of TJ, too. Some kids don’t get in and they end up going to a different school.

Wait for high school: not everyone goes to the same school after that, either.


I don't know about other center schools, but over half of Carson is AAP. There are well enough AAP kids in Franklin boundary to have a center there and a center at Carson if you send the Navy kids there along with the AAP kids from Crossfield. And, you would still have Floris and Fox Mill there, too.


+ 1. There is no reason that consolidating all of the Navy/Waples/Crossfields kids that feed into Oakton at a renovated Franklin can’t form a new AAP center.


No. They belong at Carson. You can have a center at Franklin with the Chantilly kids and Carson with the Oakton kids. That makes good sense. After all, Franklin is part of the Chantilly pyramid and Carson is in the Oakton pyramid.
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Anonymous wrote:Let’s revisit Franklin/Carson/Rocky Run.

If we move (1) Franklin kids who are already zoned to Chantilly to Rocky Run, (2) Carson kids zoned to SLHS (fox mill and some Floris kids) to Hughes, and (3) Crossfield kids from Carson to Franklin, will this solve the split feeder problem?
Carson is not overcrowded, why would you move all these kids out of Carson without moving new kids in? Also Crossfield is zoned to Oakton, it doesn't make sense to move those kids to Franklin unless you are moving all those kids to Chantilly too, which is ridiculous given how overcrowded Chantilly HS is. The post several weeks ago about moving anyone from Carson that is zoned to Chantilly to Franklin makes the most sense. But don't move kids zoned to Oakton to yet another MS.


Carson is a three way split feeder. Tell me how to fix it.


Is that really a “problem” that needs solving?


Yes it does. My kids made friends and they all went to different schools. One way to do this is to get rid of AAP at Carson.


OMG. “Get rid of AAP centers because my kid made friends that went to different schools.”

I bet that is your argument for getting rid of TJ, too. Some kids don’t get in and they end up going to a different school.

Wait for high school: not everyone goes to the same school after that, either.


I don't know about other center schools, but over half of Carson is AAP. There are well enough AAP kids in Franklin boundary to have a center there and a center at Carson if you send the Navy kids there along with the AAP kids from Crossfield. And, you would still have Floris and Fox Mill there, too.


+ 1. There is no reason that consolidating all of the Navy/Waples/Crossfields kids that feed into Oakton at a renovated Franklin can’t form a new AAP center.


No. They belong at Carson. You can have a center at Franklin with the Chantilly kids and Carson with the Oakton kids. That makes good sense. After all, Franklin is part of the Chantilly pyramid and Carson is in the Oakton pyramid.


Wrong- Carson is in the Westfields pyramid
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Anonymous wrote:Let’s revisit Franklin/Carson/Rocky Run.

If we move (1) Franklin kids who are already zoned to Chantilly to Rocky Run, (2) Carson kids zoned to SLHS (fox mill and some Floris kids) to Hughes, and (3) Crossfield kids from Carson to Franklin, will this solve the split feeder problem?
Carson is not overcrowded, why would you move all these kids out of Carson without moving new kids in? Also Crossfield is zoned to Oakton, it doesn't make sense to move those kids to Franklin unless you are moving all those kids to Chantilly too, which is ridiculous given how overcrowded Chantilly HS is. The post several weeks ago about moving anyone from Carson that is zoned to Chantilly to Franklin makes the most sense. But don't move kids zoned to Oakton to yet another MS.


Carson is a three way split feeder. Tell me how to fix it.


Is that really a “problem” that needs solving?


Yes it does. My kids made friends and they all went to different schools. One way to do this is to get rid of AAP at Carson.


OMG. “Get rid of AAP centers because my kid made friends that went to different schools.”

I bet that is your argument for getting rid of TJ, too. Some kids don’t get in and they end up going to a different school.

Wait for high school: not everyone goes to the same school after that, either.


I don't know about other center schools, but over half of Carson is AAP. There are well enough AAP kids in Franklin boundary to have a center there and a center at Carson if you send the Navy kids there along with the AAP kids from Crossfield. And, you would still have Floris and Fox Mill there, too.


+ 1. There is no reason that consolidating all of the Navy/Waples/Crossfields kids that feed into Oakton at a renovated Franklin can’t form a new AAP center.


No. They belong at Carson. You can have a center at Franklin with the Chantilly kids and Carson with the Oakton kids. That makes good sense. After all, Franklin is part of the Chantilly pyramid and Carson is in the Oakton pyramid.


Wrong- Carson is in the Westfields pyramid


Not according to this: https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A50%3A%3A%3A%3A%3AP0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID%3A171
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Carson is in Region 1.

Westfield is Region 5.
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Anonymous wrote:Let’s revisit Franklin/Carson/Rocky Run.

If we move (1) Franklin kids who are already zoned to Chantilly to Rocky Run, (2) Carson kids zoned to SLHS (fox mill and some Floris kids) to Hughes, and (3) Crossfield kids from Carson to Franklin, will this solve the split feeder problem?
Carson is not overcrowded, why would you move all these kids out of Carson without moving new kids in? Also Crossfield is zoned to Oakton, it doesn't make sense to move those kids to Franklin unless you are moving all those kids to Chantilly too, which is ridiculous given how overcrowded Chantilly HS is. The post several weeks ago about moving anyone from Carson that is zoned to Chantilly to Franklin makes the most sense. But don't move kids zoned to Oakton to yet another MS.


Carson is a three way split feeder. Tell me how to fix it.


Is that really a “problem” that needs solving?


Yes it does. My kids made friends and they all went to different schools. One way to do this is to get rid of AAP at Carson.


OMG. “Get rid of AAP centers because my kid made friends that went to different schools.”

I bet that is your argument for getting rid of TJ, too. Some kids don’t get in and they end up going to a different school.

Wait for high school: not everyone goes to the same school after that, either.


I don't know about other center schools, but over half of Carson is AAP. There are well enough AAP kids in Franklin boundary to have a center there and a center at Carson if you send the Navy kids there along with the AAP kids from Crossfield. And, you would still have Floris and Fox Mill there, too.


+ 1. There is no reason that consolidating all of the Navy/Waples/Crossfields kids that feed into Oakton at a renovated Franklin can’t form a new AAP center.


No. They belong at Carson. You can have a center at Franklin with the Chantilly kids and Carson with the Oakton kids. That makes good sense. After all, Franklin is part of the Chantilly pyramid and Carson is in the Oakton pyramid.


Why do they "belong" at Carson if Franklin is their base school?
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Anonymous wrote:What’s going on with the boundary for Parklawn?


On the one hand they supposedly have a separate Parklawn study.

On the other hand, the 4/11 presentation includes information on revising boundaries so that the attendance area for Bailey's Upper ES is aligned with its location, including potential revisions that would move some Glen Forest kids to Parklawn and then move some Parklawn kids to Columbia. And then they show a slew of changes to other schools in that general area, which among other things would eliminate the current split feeder at Mason Crest by assigning all the Glasgow/Justice kids there to Sleepy Hollow.
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I don't know about other center schools, but over half of Carson is AAP. There are well enough AAP kids in Franklin boundary to have a center there and a center at Carson if you send the Navy kids there along with the AAP kids from Crossfield. And, you would still have Floris and Fox Mill there, too.


+ 1. There is no reason that consolidating all of the Navy/Waples/Crossfields kids that feed into Oakton at a renovated Franklin can’t form a new AAP center.


No. They belong at Carson. You can have a center at Franklin with the Chantilly kids and Carson with the Oakton kids. That makes good sense. After all, Franklin is part of the Chantilly pyramid and Carson is in the Oakton pyramid.


Why do they "belong" at Carson if Franklin is their base school?


I think you should reread it. One PP wants to move Chantilly kids out of Franklin. That is absurd as some of the Chantilly kids walk to Franklin. Franklin is in the Chantilly pyramid.
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I don't know about other center schools, but over half of Carson is AAP. There are well enough AAP kids in Franklin boundary to have a center there and a center at Carson if you send the Navy kids there along with the AAP kids from Crossfield. And, you would still have Floris and Fox Mill there, too.


+ 1. There is no reason that consolidating all of the Navy/Waples/Crossfields kids that feed into Oakton at a renovated Franklin can’t form a new AAP center.


No. They belong at Carson. You can have a center at Franklin with the Chantilly kids and Carson with the Oakton kids. That makes good sense. After all, Franklin is part of the Chantilly pyramid and Carson is in the Oakton pyramid.


Why do they "belong" at Carson if Franklin is their base school?


I think you should reread it. One PP wants to move Chantilly kids out of Franklin. That is absurd as some of the Chantilly kids walk to Franklin. Franklin is in the Chantilly pyramid.


But there won’t be many kids at either school next year.

Don’t you get this? Every working parent in FCPS is getting fired or otherwise affected.

The FARMS kids will all self-report back to Central America with their parents; Trump already cancelled their social security numbers (and he is only getting started).

How can you plan now, when next year will look nothing at all like the past 50 years in FCPS?

PAUSE IT NOW.
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Any guesses on the likelihood that changes so far will stick? Trying to determine how worried I should be…
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Anonymous wrote:Two strong observations:

Why would they send the Navy island in Franklin Farm to Oak Hill? Franklin Farm on that side of the parkway goes to Crossfield. Look at the map. There is something else going on here. These kids currently go to as does Crossfield.

Thru missed a real island--though it is tiny:
Look at the boundary map for Lee's Corner. Compare it with the Crossfield boundary map. There is a street --a cul-de-sac that is split. Some go to Crossfield and some to Lee's Corner. The students that go to Crossfield must drive through the Lee's Corner boundary in order to get to Crossfield. There are a couple of other cul-de-sacs off of the street.
If you want to see it, look at Ashvale Drive. Some of it may be be Franklin Glen instead of Franklin Farm and had the boundary line drawn before the parkway was built. That would be the Lee's Corner portion.

This could be easily missed if you are not familiar with the area.

This is why they should have had people familiar with elementary school boundaries on the committee.


I can try to speak to the bolded info, but with the caveat that I have no inside info.

Navy is an AAP center that kids from Crossfield can choose to attend. If you move Navy kids to Crossfield, you are moving them from an AAP center school to a non-center school. You end up with a weird situation where the kids eligible for AAP in third grade can choose to go (back) to Navy whereas the kids who don't qualify for AAP would not have that choice. Oak Hill is an AAP center, so all the kids in the island would be moved to Oak Hill regardless of AAP or Gen Ed, and there would not be any situation where some of them end up right back at the school they got moved from.

At least some, if not all, of Ashvale Drive is definitely Franklin Glen. Franklin Farm and Franklin Glen were built before Fairfax County Parkway was such a big road. That's why some of FF is east of the parkway and some is west, and same with FG. The developers did not envision such a large highway running through. I know it would never happen, but it seems like all the homes east of the parkway should just become part of the FF HOA and all the homes west of the parkway should be FG.
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Huh, I bet that was a coincidence, thru isn’t that good lol.

But if this is long term why make an important decision that impacts 3 years only (former navy kids electing aap at navy).
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Anonymous wrote:Any guesses on the likelihood that changes so far will stick? Trying to determine how worried I should be…


I don't think anyone knows. It's like they are putting some changes out there, but they'll expand on some over the coming weeks, back off on others, and then presumably expose a set of recommendations or options to the public. When you just look at the changes in the 4/11 presentation, they created as many new issues as they addressed. For example, is it really worth the squeeze to eliminate an attendance island if in the course of doing so you create multiple new split feeders, some very lopsided?
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Anonymous wrote:Two strong observations:

Why would they send the Navy island in Franklin Farm to Oak Hill? Franklin Farm on that side of the parkway goes to Crossfield. Look at the map. There is something else going on here. These kids currently go to as does Crossfield.

Thru missed a real island--though it is tiny:
Look at the boundary map for Lee's Corner. Compare it with the Crossfield boundary map. There is a street --a cul-de-sac that is split. Some go to Crossfield and some to Lee's Corner. The students that go to Crossfield must drive through the Lee's Corner boundary in order to get to Crossfield. There are a couple of other cul-de-sacs off of the street.
If you want to see it, look at Ashvale Drive. Some of it may be be Franklin Glen instead of Franklin Farm and had the boundary line drawn before the parkway was built. That would be the Lee's Corner portion.

This could be easily missed if you are not familiar with the area.

This is why they should have had people familiar with elementary school boundaries on the committee.


I can try to speak to the bolded info, but with the caveat that I have no inside info.

Navy is an AAP center that kids from Crossfield can choose to attend. If you move Navy kids to Crossfield, you are moving them from an AAP center school to a non-center school. You end up with a weird situation where the kids eligible for AAP in third grade can choose to go (back) to Navy whereas the kids who don't qualify for AAP would not have that choice. Oak Hill is an AAP center, so all the kids in the island would be moved to Oak Hill regardless of AAP or Gen Ed, and there would not be any situation where some of them end up right back at the school they got moved from.

At least some, if not all, of Ashvale Drive is definitely Franklin Glen. Franklin Farm and Franklin Glen were built before Fairfax County Parkway was such a big road. That's why some of FF is east of the parkway and some is west, and same with FG. The developers did not envision such a large highway running through. I know it would never happen, but it seems like all the homes east of the parkway should just become part of the FF HOA and all the homes west of the parkway should be FG.


I'm not sure that Thru is astute enough to come up with your Navy/Crossfield theory. Looking at the map and knowing the neighborhoods, it makes no sense to me.

And, i agree about the Franklin Glen/Ashvale explanation. However, I don't think Thru is concerned about the "history." I think it was an oversight that they missed it.

I have been told that the Navy portion of Franklin Farm stayed at Oak Hill when the rest was moved to Crossfield. Later, when Oak Hill was crowded they moved it to Navy. I cannot vouch for this story, but was told by someone who lived there. I think Oak Hill originally had most of Franklin Farm before Chantilly Highlands was built out.

Oak Hill was built in 1983 and Crossfield in 1988.
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Anonymous wrote:Any guesses on the likelihood that changes so far will stick? Trying to determine how worried I should be…


According to the timeline, these are draft scenarios. They are collecting initial BRAC feedback per region and releasing these one by one iterations, attendance islands, split feeders, then capacity.

Looks like next month will open to community feedback for more context. After all that, they will present the final scenario for the school board to approve.

So I am sure some of these will stick. Others will evolve with the other scenario releases and feedback.
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Anonymous wrote:Any guesses on the likelihood that changes so far will stick? Trying to determine how worried I should be…


According to the timeline, these are draft scenarios. They are collecting initial BRAC feedback per region and releasing these one by one iterations, attendance islands, split feeders, then capacity.

Looks like next month will open to community feedback for more context. After all that, they will present the final scenario for the school board to approve.

So I am sure some of these will stick. Others will evolve with the other scenario releases and feedback.


The pyramid representatives may know nothing about your own neighborhood. These are from high school pyramids and not the neighborhood elementary schools.

They should have spread a wider net.

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