Travis and Taylor

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It’s a few SECONDS per game.

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Anonymous wrote:Psst, no one tell the PPs who have issues with Taylor's clothing choices and behavior at games about the 49ers WAGS.

But Taylor is not some barely-known Instagram model or whatever the other WAGs are. Her choices will be judged differently because she's in a much different position. My 13-year-old doesn't idolize those women, she doesn't know who they are. So if they wear sexy attention-whore clothes to a football game, I don't care.

But when Taylor Swift professes to care about women's empowerment and then wears and honest to god cheerleader skirt while bouncing around a suite making exaggerated "OMG" faces every time her football boyfriend catches a ball, I give it a hard eye-roll. When it's about getting the rights to her masters, it's about women's empowerment and not being taken advantage of by men. But then she's got an NFL player boyfriend and she's happy to put on a public performance of "supportive girlfriend" looking like "WAG Barbie." Okay, girl.

I care about women's empowerment and if my boyfriend were one of the best players in the league and having one of his best games you better bet I would be doing the same dang thing. It is called having fun.

Seriously. How is what Taylor is doing any different from me following my lawyer boyfriend's cases and asking about his work?

If you showed up to your boyfriend's deposition to literally jump up and down and make this face when he asked a really good question, I think you would also draw criticism:

Yikes. You do realize that is literally ONE SECOND IN TIME. She wasn't standing there still like that for 15 minutes waiting for some pap to take that exact picture.

I am 90% sure this is photo of her responding to him making heart hands at her on the field -- this isn't a photo from when anything was happening in the game. As you can see, most of the people in the photo aren't even looking at the field, including Travis's mom. She's not cheering for a play here.

Whether you think it's sweet or fake/cheesy for a 34 year old man to make heart hands at his girlfriend on national TV and for the cameras to pan to her clutching her hands together and jumping up and down in response is going to be a reflection of what kind of person you are and where you are at in your life. I land on the "fake/cheesy" end of that spectrum. This is a weird, show-offy, obnoxious way for people to behave publicly regarding their relationship. I think for some people this is a form of wish fulfillment and they eat it up. I think I'm too old and jaded to feel that way, sorry.

Travis stated on his podcast that those heart hands were for the opposing team.

He was kidding though.

He did heart hands twice once to the Bills and once to his box

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Anonymous wrote:Psst, no one tell the PPs who have issues with Taylor's clothing choices and behavior at games about the 49ers WAGS.

But Taylor is not some barely-known Instagram model or whatever the other WAGs are. Her choices will be judged differently because she's in a much different position. My 13-year-old doesn't idolize those women, she doesn't know who they are. So if they wear sexy attention-whore clothes to a football game, I don't care.

But when Taylor Swift professes to care about women's empowerment and then wears and honest to god cheerleader skirt while bouncing around a suite making exaggerated "OMG" faces every time her football boyfriend catches a ball, I give it a hard eye-roll. When it's about getting the rights to her masters, it's about women's empowerment and not being taken advantage of by men. But then she's got an NFL player boyfriend and she's happy to put on a public performance of "supportive girlfriend" looking like "WAG Barbie." Okay, girl.

I care about women's empowerment and if my boyfriend were one of the best players in the league and having one of his best games you better bet I would be doing the same dang thing. It is called having fun.

Seriously. How is what Taylor is doing any different from me following my lawyer boyfriend's cases and asking about his work?

If you showed up to your boyfriend's deposition to literally jump up and down and make this face when he asked a really good question, I think you would also draw criticism:

Yikes. You do realize that is literally ONE SECOND IN TIME. She wasn't standing there still like that for 15 minutes waiting for some pap to take that exact picture.

I am 90% sure this is photo of her responding to him making heart hands at her on the field -- this isn't a photo from when anything was happening in the game. As you can see, most of the people in the photo aren't even looking at the field, including Travis's mom. She's not cheering for a play here.

Whether you think it's sweet or fake/cheesy for a 34 year old man to make heart hands at his girlfriend on national TV and for the cameras to pan to her clutching her hands together and jumping up and down in response is going to be a reflection of what kind of person you are and where you are at in your life. I land on the "fake/cheesy" end of that spectrum. This is a weird, show-offy, obnoxious way for people to behave publicly regarding their relationship. I think for some people this is a form of wish fulfillment and they eat it up. I think I'm too old and jaded to feel that way, sorry.

Travis stated on his podcast that those heart hands were for the opposing team.

He was kidding though.

They weren’t for Taylor.

You're talking about the hear hands he did at the game in Buffalo two weekends ago. That's the one he commented on in his podcast.

He also made heart hands at Taylor in the box at a regular season game... maybe in November? I can't remember. he was sitting on the sidelines and I think it was before the game started. That's the one the photo above is from -- the other people in the box pointed it out to her and she got excited and made that face.

Also, even though the heart hands in the Bills game were not directed at Taylor, it's obviously a Taylor reference as she's been doing that at her concerts for like 20 years.

Anyone who’s been following Travis’s career and relationships prior to Taylor knows he’s not romantically attracted to her. He may care for her like one of the guys, but there is no chemistry there at least on his part.

Completely disagree in fact because it’s different that’s the point why it’s special

[Anonymous]

If she suddenly disappeared again like she did in the pre-Reputation days, those of you hating on her here would likely be very distraught; there would be a void. You’re enjoying tearing her to bits. This is why she has bodyguards/security 24x7; there such an enormous amount of energy and vitriol toward her.

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Anonymous wrote:100% fake

You think a z-list celebrity’s experience trying to become more famous (her exact words) is the same strategy that Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce use?? Seriously?

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100% fake and they have zero charisma. Two theater kids pretending to be in love with each other. American consumers are gullible saps.

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Anonymous wrote:That awkward kiss between the two of them is what made me realize the relationship was totally fake.

Travis is only attracted to Taylor’s fame and money. Look at how Travis interacts with Taylor versus how he interacted with his ex Kayla.

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Anonymous wrote:That awkward kiss between the two of them is what made me realize the relationship was totally fake.

Travis is only attracted to Taylor’s fame and money. Look at how Travis interacts with Taylor versus how he interacted with his ex Kayla.

I don't think that video shows the relationship is fake but it does show that Travis Kelce is, and has always been, a corny-a$$ bro. Wow is he annoying.

He does that thing some guys do where he pulls this fake cry face sometimes as a joke. It's like a "boo hoo" face and then he laughs about it. I don't know why exactly, but I find this super unattractive on men. Not because crying isn't masculine (actual tears from a man are fine, men get to be vulnerable). But the way it's pulled as a joke. It feels like something they learned to do as little kids to get their mom to give them what they wanted, and never outgrew. Ugh.

It's no wonder there are gay bi rumors about him. He is very "extra"

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What a weird thing to comment on - "chemistry" between two people, like they owe you that performance. But then when they are in fact showing affection, or support, it's not right either. She's too "extra" or he's "extra" or she's showing up wearing the wrong thing, like she's there for your consumption to be entertained properly, but then 24 seconds is too long for you.

She will never please some of you, and in this regard (a relationship) she doesn't have to please any of you, only herself and the person she's in a relationship with. Even my mother for crying out loud said "she's just trying to be normal while everyone else around her isn't." She hid her relationship for 6 years. She's simply not hiding anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:100% fake and they have zero charisma. Two theater kids pretending to be in love with each other. American consumers are gullible saps.

Down to Travis gifting Taylor a cheap CZ tennis bracelet that was gifted by a jeweler seeking publicity.

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Anonymous wrote:That awkward kiss between the two of them is what made me realize the relationship was totally fake.

Travis is only attracted to Taylor’s fame and money. Look at how Travis interacts with Taylor versus how he interacted with his ex Kayla.

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Where's Nicole now? Back into obscurity until she finds another rich athlete to glob onto. Many WAGs hang all over their boyfriend/husband to show all us regulars whose property they are. Taylor doesn't need and/or may not want that level of PDA. You are the same women using a few seconds of video to say Travis's old relationship is totally real, but same few seconds to say Taylor's is fake. Grasping at straws.

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Anonymous wrote:100% fake and they have zero charisma. Two theater kids pretending to be in love with each other. American consumers are gullible saps.

Down to Travis gifting Taylor a cheap CZ tennis bracelet that was gifted by a jeweler seeking publicity.

Yeah, All the product placement is a bit much. “This relationship is brought to you by this small business wanting exposure. Here’s where you can get the same xyz…”

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There's hiding it, there's going about one's business with no regard to how it comes across to the public, and then there's packaging and monetizing it in ways that they know will generate as much attention and buzz as possible. All of these are choices available to Taylor and Travis.

Some people think it's 2; others think it's 3. I'm in camp 3 but unlike some here, I see nothing wrong with it. I just think it's disingenuous to pretend like "GOSH, I'm just going to watch my BOYFRIEND play football with my FRIENDS, can I LIVE?" when, for example, you're rocking up to the stadium with a gaggle of A-list celebrities and you're a savvy businesswoman who knows exactly what kind of reaction that will get.

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Anonymous wrote:If she suddenly disappeared again like she did in the pre-Reputation days, those of you hating on her here would likely be very distraught; there would be a void. You’re enjoying tearing her to bits. This is why she has bodyguards/security 24x7; there such an enormous amount of energy and vitriol toward her.

I'm sure that's true of some of her critics. She's a talented and very successful woman who is also attractive -- I agree she gets a ton of dangerous, obsessive attention. I'm sure the incel crowd is absolutely insane about her, I think we're seeing some of that now with MAGA/Fox News conspiracy theories and hate. I have a lot of empathy for her for dealing with that, just as I've had in the past for people like Hillary Clinton who have gotten the same kind of hate and attention. A lot of people work out their own messed up psychology on prominent woman, and Taylor is probably the most prominent woman in the world right now.

But I also think a lot of the negative commentary on this thread isn't from people like that, who just hate her because they don't want to see women succeed or they feel threatened or whatever. I absolutely do have a degree of skepticism about this relationship and the way it's played out -- I think it's one of those classic Hollywood "romances" that was almost certainly arranged by publicists and is being intentionally milked for publicity for both of them. Initially I really didn't get what her goal was because obviously she's at the top of her game, but looking back over the last year I think it was a very smart move for her. It's completely erased the whole Matt Healy/Ice Spice fiasco from people's minds (that seriously feels like 100 years ago). Also, while no doubt her record sales for "Taylor's Versions" would have been great no matter what, I do think this relationship and the coverage it's engendered has probably boosted those sales even higher. Also, I used to work in media and have some experience with how Time magazine selects Person of the Year, and I genuinely think the Kelce relationship likely helped her get that. I'm sure she was on the short list without it because of the Eras tour and all the news this last year about its impact economically, plus her getting people to register to vote. But the Kelce relationship put her on TV every week and top of mind for people even while she was on hiatus from the tour and would normally have been laying low, and visibility can be a factor for selecting someone for that kind of feature. It gave Time a personal "hook" that was easy to talk about (unlike focusing on her breakup with Alwyn or the Healy mess, which would have been a bummer and also she wouldn't have wanted to discuss) and also kind of rounds out her image -- she's a creative master, an savvy businesswoman, and also she's involve with beefy midwestern NFL player with a nice mom and two Super Bowl rings. It's a story that will appeal to multiple demographics and make people feel good in an era where few news stories do.

But that leads me to believe we are being sold this story, on purpose, to sell records, help Kelce launch a career in entertainment, boost the NFL's already high ratings, drive eyeballs to Time's (tired!) person of the year feature. I don't like feeling like I'm being sold people and sentiments like cereal.

So I've been critical of Taylor (and Travis) on this thread but that criticism is grounded in a distaste for media manipulation and capitalist cynicism. I'd be relieved if Taylor and Travis dipped off my radar tomorrow (or today) and I didn't hear another thing about them. No void. I hope Taylor continues her successful career and I wish her all the [private] happiness in her personal life. But I think this relationship is publicity stunt and it annoys me.

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Anonymous wrote:There's hiding it, there's going about one's business with no regard to how it comes across to the public, and then there's packaging and monetizing it in ways that they know will generate as much attention and buzz as possible. All of these are choices available to Taylor and Travis.

Some people think it's 2; others think it's 3. I'm in camp 3 but unlike some here, I see nothing wrong with it. I just think it's disingenuous to pretend like "GOSH, I'm just going to watch my BOYFRIEND play football with my FRIENDS, can I LIVE?" when, for example, you're rocking up to the stadium with a gaggle of A-list celebrities and you're a savvy businesswoman who knows exactly what kind of reaction that will get.

Yes, sums it up, though I actually do dislike the idea of monetizing a supposedly "real" relationship to generate attention and buzz (and $$$). There's something extremely late stage capitalist about it that I do not like.

To be honest, I'd be less annoyed if people were not SO adamant that their love is real, and they are just a young couple in love, and "why can't you just let them be happy?!" This strikes me as ridiculous. They are not that young, first of all. EVEN if they have real feelings for each other, the way they've played it out publicly has obviously exploited those feelings for attention and goodwill, which is gross AF to me and undermines any positive feelings I might have about it. And also, the idea that my eyeroll at their packaged-for-consumption relationship in any way impacts the happiness of a billionaire and a millionaire is absurd -- their emotional state has absolutely nothing to do with my opinions on any of this.

So it's like a trap -- they put the relationship out there in the most aggressive way possible, then claim they are just living their lives, and then if you think the relationship is at least sort of fake or say you are sick of hearing about it, you're a hater who is trying to destroy their happiness. This is how wealthy, powerful people play the victim and it is TIRED.