Girl with 1370 SAT gets in to 5 Ivies

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Why do people obsess with 200 point variation at the upper end of a multiple choice test? Do not believe anyone who tells you this is the sole or primary determinant of academic brilliance or success. I am multiple decades from taking the test myself (only once) and a multiple IVY graduate. Over the decades this could not be further from the truth. The SAT does not make the person. As you mature in life and witness others you may come to the same conclusion.


“The problem is it doesn't apply to Asians or Whites. That is the problem.”

Do not hide behind the halo of Asians. Whites are not at the same heights.

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Anonymous wrote:So the schools are not obeying the law and still the racial discrimination.

Cut the funding already.

No! She's impressive! The activities and accolades (and maybe teacher LOR) are why she got in.

My Asian DD applied test optional (With similar test scores tbh) and got into MANY T20 schools (and is going to one of them)!

Agree! And I also have an ORM test op kid at an Ivy too....
Not sure why the hate here?
I think people don't understand what holistic admissions is.

There are a lot of us on here!!
The idiots here focused on test scores and nothing else don’t get it.

The sad and simple truth is that their children are not compelling. They are not interesting. They are not interested. And it comes across in everything they convey in the common app. They will never have the results our children have had. It has nothing to do with test scores.

I know many interesting white or Asian kids with higher stats who had nowhere near that kind of success. People who overcame disabilities, took care of sick family, did advanced college level academic work on their own for fun, etc. I know one kid who did all 3, in fact, plus the higher stats. I don’t think you understand the extent to which race sways decisions, so you are struggling to understand the extent to which people want this in the past.

No.

You just don't want URMs, and blacks specifically, to get the same opportunities.
College admissions are subjective. Half the kids admitted are institutional priorities. Most are white. But no complaints on DCUM.

A post saying many very interesting white and Asian kids are rejected with higher stats from Ivies tells you the author doesn’t want Blacks to get “the same” opportunities? Really? Wow. “Same opportunities” means deciding on merit, not skin color. Otherwise, why stop at colleges? Why not use affirmative action for all hiring and elections? SCOTUS already ruled on this. The issue now is whether they need to weigh in again on things like essays being used to achieve the same effects as before. I actually hope they don’t, but people like you make it more likely they will.

The young lady got in on merit. Dummy.

5 Ivies accepted her.

There are countless whites who got accepted with similar academic profiles. One Asian in this thread admitted as such.

Get over it.

The fact that 5 Ivies admitted her (despite out of range scores) is your first clue this wasn’t all about merit.

Sorry I missed the national story on your “one Asian” anecdote who I know nothing about, but, sure, a given Ivy likely admitted students for reasons I don’t agree with across any given ethnicity. I suspect some on their own committees disagree with certain decisions. What’s different here is the five Ivies part combined with the fact we see the same wild accomplishment every year with the same lower than peer stats from someone of a certain demographic.

Yes, it happened and that’s life. But so is the anti-academia resentment it generates, which is a bigger deal cause it affects all of us.

[Anonymous]

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Why do people obsess with 200 point variation at the upper end of a multiple choice test? Do not believe anyone who tells you this is the sole or primary determinant of academic brilliance or success. I am multiple decades from taking the test myself (only once) and a multiple IVY graduate. Over the decades this could not be further from the truth. The SAT does not make the person. As you mature in life and witness others you may come to the same conclusion.


“The problem is it doesn't apply to Asians or Whites. That is the problem.”

Do not hide behind the halo of Asians. Whites are not at the same heights.

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“Donating millions is a benefit to a university. Playing a sport at a DI level is at least an accomplishment of some sort. Being born URM isn’t an accomplishment or at all a benefit to a university.”

You have made the longstanding case for white affirmative action in college admissions — rather brilliantly.

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https://www.psu.edu/resources/first-year-students/eligibility

She wouldn’t even be a particularly strong applicant at her state school, GPA and SAT wise. Yet posters insist she’s special.

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Anonymous wrote:“Donating millions is a benefit to a university. Playing a sport at a DI level is at least an accomplishment of some sort. Being born URM isn’t an accomplishment or at all a benefit to a university.”

You have made the longstanding case for white affirmative action in college admissions — rather brilliantly.

Making and giving away money and practicing sports entail making decisions and work. Being born Latino isn’t an accomplishment or a decision.

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Anonymous wrote:So the schools are not obeying the law and still the racial discrimination.

Cut the funding already.

No! She's impressive! The activities and accolades (and maybe teacher LOR) are why she got in.

My Asian DD applied test optional (With similar test scores tbh) and got into MANY T20 schools (and is going to one of them)!

Agree! And I also have an ORM test op kid at an Ivy too....
Not sure why the hate here?
I think people don't understand what holistic admissions is.

There are a lot of us on here!!
The idiots here focused on test scores and nothing else don’t get it.

The sad and simple truth is that their children are not compelling. They are not interesting. They are not interested. And it comes across in everything they convey in the common app. They will never have the results our children have had. It has nothing to do with test scores.

I know many interesting white or Asian kids with higher stats who had nowhere near that kind of success. People who overcame disabilities, took care of sick family, did advanced college level academic work on their own for fun, etc. I know one kid who did all 3, in fact, plus the higher stats. I don’t think you understand the extent to which race sways decisions, so you are struggling to understand the extent to which people want this in the past.

No.

You just don't want URMs, and blacks specifically, to get the same opportunities.
College admissions are subjective. Half the kids admitted are institutional priorities. Most are white. But no complaints on DCUM.

A post saying many very interesting white and Asian kids are rejected with higher stats from Ivies tells you the author doesn’t want Blacks to get “the same” opportunities? Really? Wow. “Same opportunities” means deciding on merit, not skin color. Otherwise, why stop at colleges? Why not use affirmative action for all hiring and elections? SCOTUS already ruled on this. The issue now is whether they need to weigh in again on things like essays being used to achieve the same effects as before. I actually hope they don’t, but people like you make it more likely they will.

The young lady got in on merit. Dummy.

5 Ivies accepted her.

There are countless whites who got accepted with similar academic profiles. One Asian in this thread admitted as such.

Get over it.

The fact that 5 Ivies admitted her (despite out of range scores) is your first clue this wasn’t all about merit.

Sorry I missed the national story on your “one Asian” anecdote who I know nothing about, but, sure, a given Ivy likely admitted students for reasons I don’t agree with across any given ethnicity. I suspect some on their own committees disagree with certain decisions. What’s different here is the five Ivies part combined with the fact we see the same wild accomplishment every year with the same lower than peer stats from someone of a certain demographic.

Yes, it happened and that’s life. But so is the anti-academia resentment it generates, which is a bigger deal cause it affects all of us.

The anti-academia resentment is justified. In this thread posters keep saying the SAT tests easy material and yet our best institutions accept students who cannot perform at any meaningfully high level. John Q Public doesn’t care if Harvard is defunded, he knows they don’t accept the best and his child’s 1370 is not even a guarantee to his in state flagship.

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Anonymous wrote:Most kids can’t get into more than one Ivy even with perfect scores and GPA. This whole thing is weird.

And I’m sorry, but no kid is just “that” amazing, special, driven, and accomplished without major parent involvement. And I don’t mean parenting, I mean parents starting businesses, non profits, getting kids research jobs with their friends etc.

This is obvious. No one who isn’t URM or cured cancer gets into five Ivies. Donors donate to one or two schools, athletes commit to one school. A 1370 is an atrocious score and she should be embarrassed to be interviewed for that article. She belongs at a non flagship state school.

White lax bros and average donor / faculty kids with 1370 (or less) have been admitted.

And people justifiably criticize that too.

Several prominent schools have gone legacy blind as well, which is great!

Make it all about academic merit, unless perhaps you are pro sport prodigy type going to a D1 school.

[Anonymous]

It would be interesting to see the Yale admissions data like the NYU data that compares SAT scores by race:

https://nyunews.com/news/2025/03/22/nyu-website-hacked-data-leak/

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Making and giving away money and practicing sports entail making decisions and work. Being born Latino isn’t an accomplishment or a decision.

I gather from your comment that Latinos don’t play D1 or donate to universities? Are there any other talents besides the 2 you argue in White affirmative action in college admissions?

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Anonymous wrote:Making and giving away money and practicing sports entail making decisions and work. Being born Latino isn’t an accomplishment or a decision.

I gather from your comment that Latinos don’t play D1 or donate to universities? Are there any other talents besides the 2 you argue in White affirmative action in college admissions?

They don’t play DI sports at Ivies or donate to them at nearly the same rates. Again, a lot of this is public or was released in discovery. If there wasn’t any affirmative action, black enrollment at Harvard would be sub 2% and Hispanic would be sub 6%. They don’t do well under the academic scoring criteria Harvard sets. They also don’t do well in terms of donors or athletics. So all they have left is affirmative action to get in.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see the Yale admissions data like the NYU data that compares SAT scores by race:

https://nyunews.com/news/2025/03/22/nyu-website-hacked-data-leak/

Those 1290s had great parents and they are ambitious. The SAT only tests middle school material so who cares if they don’t do well on the exam, right?

[Anonymous]

“If my score was 1370 or lower I wouldn’t be able to type a quick paragraph like above. I’d be a small notch above illiterate.”

My secretary didn’t go to college. She is a faster typist than you. I’ll tell her she should have taken the SAT test and gone to Harvard like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“If my score was 1370 or lower I wouldn’t be able to type a quick paragraph like above. I’d be a small notch above illiterate.”

My secretary didn’t go to college. She is a faster typist than you. I’ll tell her she should have taken the SAT test and gone to Harvard like you.

Your secretary could probably get a 1370 and maybe get into Penn State (no guarantees with that score if you’re white or Asian). She definitely wouldn’t be in the honors program. I hope that contextualizes how bad a 1370 is.

[Anonymous]

“They don’t play DI sports at Ivies or donate to them at nearly the same rates. Again, a lot of this is public or was released in discovery. If there wasn’t any affirmative action, black enrollment at Harvard would be sub 2% and Hispanic would be sub 6%. They don’t do well under the academic scoring criteria Harvard sets. They also don’t do well in terms of donors or athletics. So all they have left is affirmative action to get in.”

What is the data on White affirmative action based on sports and donation?