WVU cutting 32 majors, all foreign languages

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me why people are saying that college applicants are declining but in other threads people are talking about a demographic bubble that won’t start decreasing until 2026 or so? Which is it?

Colleges have 1MM fewer students today vs 2013. You can easily Google that.

This is primarily due to fewer HS grads attending due to cost and seeing so many underemployed college grads. The demographic decline I think technically starts with the class of 2025 and the accelerates with the classes of 2026+. A byproduct of the Great Recession of 2008 and beyond.

The number of applications per kid has spike due to the common app and the internet making it easier to apply. So there is a divergence between number of applicants and total applications.

However, all these extra applications are going to top 100 schools for the most part.

In the case of WVU, I believe the school has dropped from 29,000 students to 21,000 (from the article). WVU falls into the 3900 schools that will see reduced demand unless they do something drastic like make it free for instate…copy what GA and FL are doing with scholarships. Problem is the state of WV doesn’t have the resources of FL or GA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me why people are saying that college applicants are declining but in other threads people are talking about a demographic bubble that won’t start decreasing until 2026 or so? Which is it?

Colleges have 1MM fewer students today vs 2013. You can easily Google that.

This is primarily due to fewer HS grads attending due to cost and seeing so many underemployed college grads. The demographic decline I think technically starts with the class of 2025 and the accelerates with the classes of 2026+. A byproduct of the Great Recession of 2008 and beyond.

The number of applications per kid has spike due to the common app and the internet making it easier to apply. So there is a divergence between number of applicants and total applications.

However, all these extra applications are going to top 100 schools for the most part.

In the case of WVU, I believe the school has dropped from 29,000 students to 21,000 (from the article). WVU falls into the 3900 schools that will see reduced demand unless they do something drastic like make it free for instate…copy what GA and FL are doing with scholarships. Problem is the state of WV doesn’t have the resources of FL or GA.

thanks PP - this a helpful post in a sea of idiocy. at the end of the day, public universitied were supposed to be benefits for the state as a whole, generating professionals and research innovations. and were supported accordingly by the budget. now they are seen purely as a credential factory where people buy education. somehow we have to get back to the original vision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a smart move and far more colleges need to do this kind of cutting and then work on keeping tuition from increasing.

As far as foreign language in college, I have met people who majored in a foreign language- can barely put together a sentence in that language. And let’s face it kids are taking 4 yrs if foreign language in high school and then possible another year in college and for what? They don’t become anywhere even close to even being able to hold a conversation. Duolingo is fine

The people you have met are idiots, which you kind of sound like yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a smart move and far more colleges need to do this kind of cutting and then work on keeping tuition from increasing.

As far as foreign language in college, I have met people who majored in a foreign language- can barely put together a sentence in that language. And let’s face it kids are taking 4 yrs if foreign language in high school and then possible another year in college and for what? They don’t become anywhere even close to even being able to hold a conversation. Duolingo is fine

The people you have met are idiots, which you kind of sound like yourself.

Huh…most kids take a foreign language because they are required to take one. Very few have a genuine interest and even my 5 AP Spanish kid has no interest in ever taking Spanish or any foreign language ever again. From a purely practical perspective, AI and Google translate will allow just about anyone to converse with anyone else in their native tongue with instantaneous translation through an ear piece within 5 years.

What I don’t understand for the life of me is why some foundation in CS is not required in HS. You don’t have to want to major in CS, but software is eating the world so it helps to understand somewhat how it is created.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a smart move and far more colleges need to do this kind of cutting and then work on keeping tuition from increasing.

As far as foreign language in college, I have met people who majored in a foreign language- can barely put together a sentence in that language. And let’s face it kids are taking 4 yrs if foreign language in high school and then possible another year in college and for what? They don’t become anywhere even close to even being able to hold a conversation. Duolingo is fine

The people you have met are idiots, which you kind of sound like yourself.

Huh…most kids take a foreign language because they are required to take one. Very few have a genuine interest and even my 5 AP Spanish kid has no interest in ever taking Spanish or any foreign language ever again. From a purely practical perspective, AI and Google translate will allow just about anyone to converse with anyone else in their native tongue with instantaneous translation through an ear piece within 5 years.

What I don’t understand for the life of me is why some foundation in CS is not required in HS. You don’t have to want to major in CS, but software is eating the world so it helps to understand somewhat how it is created.

It’s honestly sad you can’t grasp the richness and interest in immersing yourself in another language - culture, vocabulary, grammar, literature, history ….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a smart move and far more colleges need to do this kind of cutting and then work on keeping tuition from increasing.

As far as foreign language in college, I have met people who majored in a foreign language- can barely put together a sentence in that language. And let’s face it kids are taking 4 yrs if foreign language in high school and then possible another year in college and for what? They don’t become anywhere even close to even being able to hold a conversation. Duolingo is fine

The people you have met are idiots, which you kind of sound like yourself.

Huh…most kids take a foreign language because they are required to take one. Very few have a genuine interest and even my 5 AP Spanish kid has no interest in ever taking Spanish or any foreign language ever again. From a purely practical perspective, AI and Google translate will allow just about anyone to converse with anyone else in their native tongue with instantaneous translation through an ear piece within 5 years.

What I don’t understand for the life of me is why some foundation in CS is not required in HS. You don’t have to want to major in CS, but software is eating the world so it helps to understand somewhat how it is created.

It’s honestly sad you can’t grasp the richness and interest in immersing yourself in another language - culture, vocabulary, grammar, literature, history ….

I can grasp it if that is your interest. But if it is not…why essentially be forced to take it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a smart move and far more colleges need to do this kind of cutting and then work on keeping tuition from increasing.

As far as foreign language in college, I have met people who majored in a foreign language- can barely put together a sentence in that language. And let’s face it kids are taking 4 yrs if foreign language in high school and then possible another year in college and for what? They don’t become anywhere even close to even being able to hold a conversation. Duolingo is fine

Speak for yourself! My son is a STEM/German major and will do his internship in a lab in Germany. His German classes are absolutely helping him (far more than Duo Lingo).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a smart move and far more colleges need to do this kind of cutting and then work on keeping tuition from increasing.

As far as foreign language in college, I have met people who majored in a foreign language- can barely put together a sentence in that language. And let’s face it kids are taking 4 yrs if foreign language in high school and then possible another year in college and for what? They don’t become anywhere even close to even being able to hold a conversation. Duolingo is fine

The people you have met are idiots, which you kind of sound like yourself.

Huh…most kids take a foreign language because they are required to take one. Very few have a genuine interest and even my 5 AP Spanish kid has no interest in ever taking Spanish or any foreign language ever again. From a purely practical perspective, AI and Google translate will allow just about anyone to converse with anyone else in their native tongue with instantaneous translation through an ear piece within 5 years.

What I don’t understand for the life of me is why some foundation in CS is not required in HS. You don’t have to want to major in CS, but software is eating the world so it helps to understand somewhat how it is created.

It’s honestly sad you can’t grasp the richness and interest in immersing yourself in another language - culture, vocabulary, grammar, literature, history ….

I can grasp it if that is your interest. But if it is not…why essentially be forced to take it?

because it is inherently enriching and broadening to understand that there are other cultures and languages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a smart move and far more colleges need to do this kind of cutting and then work on keeping tuition from increasing.

As far as foreign language in college, I have met people who majored in a foreign language- can barely put together a sentence in that language. And let’s face it kids are taking 4 yrs if foreign language in high school and then possible another year in college and for what? They don’t become anywhere even close to even being able to hold a conversation. Duolingo is fine

The people you have met are idiots, which you kind of sound like yourself.

Huh…most kids take a foreign language because they are required to take one. Very few have a genuine interest and even my 5 AP Spanish kid has no interest in ever taking Spanish or any foreign language ever again. From a purely practical perspective, AI and Google translate will allow just about anyone to converse with anyone else in their native tongue with instantaneous translation through an ear piece within 5 years.

What I don’t understand for the life of me is why some foundation in CS is not required in HS. You don’t have to want to major in CS, but software is eating the world so it helps to understand somewhat how it is created.

It’s honestly sad you can’t grasp the richness and interest in immersing yourself in another language - culture, vocabulary, grammar, literature, history ….

I can grasp it if that is your interest. But if it is not…why essentially be forced to take it?

because it is inherently enriching and broadening to understand that there are other cultures and languages.

Which is not a reason to force people to pay to study them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a smart move and far more colleges need to do this kind of cutting and then work on keeping tuition from increasing.

As far as foreign language in college, I have met people who majored in a foreign language- can barely put together a sentence in that language. And let’s face it kids are taking 4 yrs if foreign language in high school and then possible another year in college and for what? They don’t become anywhere even close to even being able to hold a conversation. Duolingo is fine

Speak for yourself! My son is a STEM/German major and will do his internship in a lab in Germany. His German classes are absolutely helping him (far more than Duo Lingo).

Yay. I did four years of German, studied there, passed a proficiency exam in grad school, and haven’t used it ever since.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a smart move and far more colleges need to do this kind of cutting and then work on keeping tuition from increasing.

As far as foreign language in college, I have met people who majored in a foreign language- can barely put together a sentence in that language. And let’s face it kids are taking 4 yrs if foreign language in high school and then possible another year in college and for what? They don’t become anywhere even close to even being able to hold a conversation. Duolingo is fine

The people you have met are idiots, which you kind of sound like yourself.

Huh…most kids take a foreign language because they are required to take one. Very few have a genuine interest and even my 5 AP Spanish kid has no interest in ever taking Spanish or any foreign language ever again. From a purely practical perspective, AI and Google translate will allow just about anyone to converse with anyone else in their native tongue with instantaneous translation through an ear piece within 5 years.

What I don’t understand for the life of me is why some foundation in CS is not required in HS. You don’t have to want to major in CS, but software is eating the world so it helps to understand somewhat how it is created.

It’s honestly sad you can’t grasp the richness and interest in immersing yourself in another language - culture, vocabulary, grammar, literature, history ….

It’s honestly sad you can’t grasp that not everyone wants to do that or should be forced to.

What if someone forced you to immerse yourself in the richness and fascination of differential equations?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me why people are saying that college applicants are declining but in other threads people are talking about a demographic bubble that won’t start decreasing until 2026 or so? Which is it?

Colleges have 1MM fewer students today vs 2013. You can easily Google that.

This is primarily due to fewer HS grads attending due to cost and seeing so many underemployed college grads. The demographic decline I think technically starts with the class of 2025 and the accelerates with the classes of 2026+. A byproduct of the Great Recession of 2008 and beyond.

The number of applications per kid has spike due to the common app and the internet making it easier to apply. So there is a divergence between number of applicants and total applications.

However, all these extra applications are going to top 100 schools for the most part.

In the case of WVU, I believe the school has dropped from 29,000 students to 21,000 (from the article). WVU falls into the 3900 schools that will see reduced demand unless they do something drastic like make it free for instate…copy what GA and FL are doing with scholarships. Problem is the state of WV doesn’t have the resources of FL or GA.

thanks PP - this a helpful post in a sea of idiocy. at the end of the day, public universitied were supposed to be benefits for the state as a whole, generating professionals and research innovations. and were supported accordingly by the budget. now they are seen purely as a credential factory where people buy education. somehow we have to get back to the original vision.

If you want to get back to the original vision, then firstly you have to accept that a lot fewer people will attend college. Relatively few people are actually suited to being college educated professionals.

Secondly you have to get rid of the need for the credential, which employers use as a proxy for IQ and conscientiousness because they are forbidden by law from giving job applicants IQ tests.

[Anonymous]

“because it is inherently enriching and broadening to understand that there are other cultures and languages.“

I live in a small obscure city in the heartland. There are Mexican, Indian, Chinese, Arabic, & Italian restaurants. My doctor is Indian. My handyman is Mexican. My priest is from Poland. Previous priest was from Ghana. Where do you live that you think Americans aren’t aware that there are other cultures?

[Anonymous]

Good. What a colossal waste of time and money. Study something relevant and something you can use to become a productive member of society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good. What a colossal waste of time and money. Study something relevant and something you can use to become a productive member of society.

AI will reduce most jobs you likely consider “useful”